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Tasmantor
Aug 13, 2007
Horrid abomination

JBP posted:

Or another country just walks in and you know... just takes everything.

I know it was just a throwaway laugh story but even then, what? Why would the ADF cease existing?

I suppose it's all the famous examples from history of easily invaded socialist sates like the USSR, North Vietnam and China. Just getting invaded and rolled all the loving time.

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JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Tasmantor posted:

I know it was just a throwaway laugh story but even then, what? Why would the ADF cease existing?

I suppose it's all the famous examples from history of easily invaded socialist sates like the USSR, North Vietnam and China. Just getting invaded and rolled all the loving time.

Those aren't grassroots consensus building democratic organisations that deliver on their promises though

Zenithe
Feb 25, 2013

Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.

Tasmantor posted:

I suppose it's all the famous examples from history of easily invaded socialist sates like the USSR, North Vietnam and China. Just getting invaded and rolled all the loving time.

Bankrolling fascist dictators works pretty well.

The Peccadillo
Mar 4, 2013

We Have Important Work To Do
It was a huge blow to the foundational concepts of a healthily socialised democracy when Scandinavia was annexed by George Bush the Second

Tasmantor
Aug 13, 2007
Horrid abomination
This is dumb as gently caress but are you saying that the greens would shut the ADF if in power?

Zenithe posted:

Bankrolling fascist dictators works pretty well.

This part is true.

The Peccadillo
Mar 4, 2013

We Have Important Work To Do

Tasmantor posted:

This part is true.

Never forget the CIA and MI5 rolled Gough

BBJoey
Oct 31, 2012

hang kerr and the queen for treason

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005



Tasmantor posted:

This is dumb as gently caress

That's all you need

Zenithe
Feb 25, 2013

Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.
Hypothetically, how could you even take over Australia if you wanted to today through force?

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Zenithe posted:

Hypothetically, how could you even take over Australia if you wanted to today through force?

You'd just take over the better bits and leave the rest.

Tasmantor
Aug 13, 2007
Horrid abomination
It's not like I think the jokes even possible, I just don't get the "we'd be invaded and crushed" thing. Like if people had a less abusive society they would become lasy and weak?

JBP posted:

You'd just take over the better bits and leave the rest.

So no more beaches?

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Tasmantor posted:

It's not like I think the jokes even possible, I just don't get the "we'd be invaded and crushed" thing. Like if people had a less abusive society they would become lasy and weak?

You ever seen what happens to lands of plenty throughout history?

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
Why are we even debating this the Australian greens have never delivered on their promises.

Tasmantor
Aug 13, 2007
Horrid abomination
You've still not explained why, if the greens did get their way, we'd become such an easy and alluring target?

Just realised you're a union guy who thinks uniting people against exploitation makes them pushovers.

Tasmantor fucked around with this message at 11:44 on Apr 7, 2018

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

JBP's post-apocalyptic fantasies aside, don't forget this is just NSW Greens policy. Not necesarily all of it will be adopted federally.

The Peccadillo
Mar 4, 2013

We Have Important Work To Do

Zenithe posted:

Hypothetically, how could you even take over Australia if you wanted to today through force?

When has that been pulled off in any country lately? "Take over" doesn't really seem like the result or intended goal in any American excursions, just a very successful flourishing destruction industry, flattening non-hegemonal bodies. It's not like Libya was ever intended to be state 51

How'd Georgia and Ukraine go for Russia? I honestly haven't kept track of either post invasion

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Zenithe posted:

Hypothetically, how could you even take over Australia if you wanted to today through force?

"Force" politicians to allow you to buy everything out from under the citizens by bribing them.

Oh wait that happens now.

Also :lol: at the talk of what Greens would do in power. They're never getting power but I admire your spirit people.

Urcher
Jun 16, 2006


Wordcloud for March:

Zenithe
Feb 25, 2013

Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.
:wtc: Tasmania

Hollandia
Jul 27, 2007

rattus rattus


Grimey Drawer
"Dutton policy: white state"
"Actually white state immigration"

Hollandia fucked around with this message at 12:19 on Apr 7, 2018

The Peccadillo
Mar 4, 2013

We Have Important Work To Do

The Peccadillo posted:

When has that been pulled off in any country lately? "Take over" doesn't really seem like the result or intended goal in any American excursions, just a very successful flourishing destruction industry, flattening non-hegemonal bodies. It's not like Libya was ever intended to be state 51

How'd Georgia and Ukraine go for Russia? I honestly haven't kept track of either post invasion

Oh, Palestine, duh

And the massacre of Kurds fightin' for Riyadh, but that one's sort of the reverse

The Peccadillo fucked around with this message at 11:57 on Apr 7, 2018

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Zenithe posted:

:wtc: Tasmania

Well you see it's too narrow to fit "immigration".

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
Actually, white state immigration!

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
Dumb candidate actually white

Night Shade
Jan 13, 2013

Old School
Tax election though

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
Can't wait for Dutton to become PM on a platform of white only immigration in spite of everything.

Then he'll change the rules using his superministry so he never has to face another election.

Dutton, PM for life.

Tasmantor
Aug 13, 2007
Horrid abomination
gently caress I thought my future was scary

The Peccadillo
Mar 4, 2013

We Have Important Work To Do
If we had JPB's fash idea of a weak lackadaisical fantasy commune, I'd want to be invaded and defeated by the Thai. Thai street food is insane and I want it on every block

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

The Peccadillo posted:

If we had JPB's fash idea of a weak lackadaisical fantasy commune, I'd want to be invaded and defeated by the Thai. Thai street food is insane and I want it on every block

Would it still seem romantic if you were the one cooking it on that street corner?

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
Thialand is a military dictatorship for fucks sake. So like the ALP really.

Jezza of OZPOS
Mar 21, 2018

GET LOSE❌🗺️, YOUS CAN'T COMPARE😤 WITH ME 💪POWERS🇦🇺

DancingShade posted:

Would it still seem romantic if you were the one cooking it on that street corner?

Why is the idea of cooking food for a living somehow inherently oppressive

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop

Malcolm Turnbeug posted:

Why is the idea of cooking food for a living somehow inherently oppressive
'Cause it's woman's work. Duh!

Aesculus
Mar 22, 2013

Gentleman Baller posted:

The Daily Mail is going for the coup de grāce on the besieged Greens.


What a dystopian horror.

Don't get too optimistic about this, the way the greens work is that any change to the status quo requires 75%+1 to pass and the manifesto is more of a pressure thing from the left than any actual party policy. I would be very surprised (in a good way mind) if parts of this get taken to the actual state/federal election.

BBJoey
Oct 31, 2012

The Peccadillo posted:

Oh, Palestine, duh

And the massacre of Kurds fightin' for Riyadh, but that one's sort of the reverse

palestine is an example of Change From Within

birdstrike
Oct 30, 2008

i;m gay

The Peccadillo posted:

If we had JPB's fash idea of a weak lackadaisical fantasy commune, I'd want to be invaded and defeated by the Thai. Thai street food is insane and I want it on every block

they banned street food tho

AgentF
May 11, 2009

JBP posted:

Why are we even debating this

read as "gently caress, my delusional attack on the Greens got called out on and I can't defend it because it was based on nothing so let's just move past it now"

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

AgentF posted:

read as "gently caress, my delusional attack on the Greens got called out on and I can't defend it because it was based on nothing so let's just move past it now"

It was a callback joke to my post about a party that keeps promises.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
Nice to know the thread thinks it's important that the greens focus on national security more heavily now.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Gotta defend the trees

behead those who insult the trees

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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Australian armed forces renamed The Planeteers

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