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Endorph posted:the worst rework riot ever did was mordekaiser because hes literally the exact same as he was before but half as good and with a ton of completely non-functional gimmicks no because with malzahar he was pretty good as an AP mid laner, the new rework is not particularly better, i guess it is kind of better, but malzahar could also be played as an AD mid laner using pets, an AD top laner , an AP or an AD jungler, and you could also kind of work the gimmicks of AP top malzahar and adc malzahar. but with new rework, all of those alternative ways to play him disappeared, and for what?
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Endorph posted:the worst rework riot ever did was mordekaiser because hes literally the exact same as he was before but half as good and with a ton of completely non-functional gimmicks Who?
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Apr 7, 2018 19:02
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pog boyfriend posted:no because with malzahar he was pretty good as an AP mid laner, the new rework is not particularly better, i guess it is kind of better, but malzahar could also be played as an AD mid laner using pets, an AD top laner , an AP or an AD jungler, and you could also kind of work the gimmicks of AP top malzahar and adc malzahar. but with new rework, all of those alternative ways to play him disappeared, and for what? The rework did make jungle malz and support malz meta for a few minutes before they removed those options
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Apr 7, 2018 19:06
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Old poppy was degenerate as gently caress and not fun for the other 9 people in the game
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Apr 7, 2018 19:11
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I love that Riot is always randomly pushing champions into other lanes to see what sticks but anytime someone figures out how to do it on their own without Riot making changes they panic and nerf them until they're pushed out of that position.
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RealFoxy posted:I love that Riot is always randomly pushing champions into other lanes to see what sticks but anytime someone figures out how to do it on their own without Riot making changes they panic and nerf them until they're pushed out of that position. Yeah, I'm always a little worried the nerf hammer is coming down on Sion at some point once people started bringing him mid. You can bring him into every role but ADC and he will do well.
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Apr 7, 2018 19:15
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My issue isn’t that champions shouldn’t be viable in multiple roles (all else equal it’s cool and good), but that Vi has bigger issues than only being a jungler. She’s not even played as a jungler hardly any more. Granted I’ve still only played like 20 games this year, but I’ve yet to see her. She needs work to differentiate her from J4. One of the two is always better by the numbers, and the other one is just inferior. Her kit is really simple and fun. But it does feel like there’s something missing there, some hook that she could have. She reminds me of old Warwick (and I think their Warwick rework was one of their best, if not the best period). If she misses Q, she has almost nothing to do. Even if she hits it, there’s no real gameplay when she’s in a teamfight other than timing your E as an auto reset.
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Apr 7, 2018 20:49
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Also I’m in a computer science class right now and it was so funny to hear the prof talk about “spaghetti code” in earnest
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Apr 7, 2018 20:52
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What an age we live in https://www.pcgamer.com/amp/riot-regrets-unnecessarily-sexualized-design-of-league-of-legends-champion-kaisa/
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Apr 7, 2018 22:19
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They can always fix it in post, time for a remake!
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Apr 7, 2018 22:34
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Apr 7, 2018 22:39
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henkman posted:what's stopping you from playing current malz top? malz top was good as an ad character because he could use sustained range harass and his abilities brought the wrath of voidlinga for heavier trading. this is not the case with current malz top, and now he pushes more and you have mana issues. not good
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Endorph posted:the worst rework riot ever did was mordekaiser because hes literally the exact same as he was before but half as good and with a ton of completely non-functional gimmicks different reasons but yeah he is by faaaaar the worst Also malz top is niche but fine and the rengar rework was good and shouldn't have been reversed Sexpansion fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Apr 7, 2018 |
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Apr 7, 2018 23:05
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All of the complete overhauls have been top notch and a good chunk of the little reworks that keep 3 out of 4 skills roughly the same and don't update the visuals have fallen pretty flat. I imagine they have different people working on the full overhauls compared to the mordekaiser style overhauls.
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Apr 7, 2018 23:21
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kingcobweb posted:Also I’m in a computer science class right now and it was so funny to hear the prof talk about “spaghetti code” in earnest Without derailing the thread too much, I’d actually be curious what he said. Spaghetti code to me seems to be a phrase that means different things to different people. I’ve always taken it to mean “some coder who likes to rely on giant, uncommented functions of doom to accomplish a task with no easy way of untangling them into smaller subroutines/functions should it be needed for a future project.”
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Siets posted:Without derailing the thread too much, I’d actually be curious what he said. Spaghetti code to me seems to be a phrase that means different things to different people. I’ve always taken it to mean “some coder who likes to rely on giant, uncommented functions of doom to accomplish a task with no easy way of untangling them into smaller subroutines/functions should it be needed for a future project.” His emphasis was more on that you couldn't change one part of it without the whole thing breaking, but yeah pretty much.
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Like literally is there anyone who actually gets upset at women being sexy, like genuinely angry I was under the impression that it wasn’t actually important because these are imaginary shootamans
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Teikanmi posted:Like literally is there anyone who actually gets upset at women being sexy, like genuinely angry If it doesn't add to their characterization, I mostly just find it silly and it makes it more difficult for me to treat that character seriously. Kai'Sa having a V-cut in her bodysuit wasn't the straw that broke the camel's back in terms of my thoughts on her characterization, but it certainly didn't help. kingcobweb posted:My issue isn't that champions shouldn''t be viable in multiple roles (all else equal it's cool and good), but that Vi has bigger issues than only being a jungler. She could definitely use a Xin-style pass at some point to more strongly define her role and sharpen her strengths/weaknesses. I think her ult has enough unique utility to keep her perpetually viable (barring some massive dumpstering of her numbers), but just barely. Vermain fucked around with this message at 07:03 on Apr 8, 2018 |
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Apr 8, 2018 06:57
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Kai'sa plunged into the darkness, leaving her neckline behind
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Vermain posted:If it doesn't add to their characterization, I mostly just find it silly and it makes it more difficult for me to treat that character seriously. Kai'Sa having a V-cut in her bodysuit wasn't the straw that broke the camel's back in terms of my thoughts on her characterization, but it certainly didn't help. Yeah I think the real issue is she's a loving dull design and there's nothing else about her to keep your attention
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Teikanmi posted:Like literally is there anyone who actually gets upset at women being sexy, like genuinely angry It's eyeroll-inducing for sure but that's about the extent of it imo.
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The problem isn't that she's sexualized, it's that the degree of sexualization is both detrimental to her visual design and contrary to already established visual designs for characters from a contextually similar setting. I.e Kassadin has a suit to survive the void and it's a cool bug helmet with tubes and a skirt and it's monstrous and radical. Kai'Sa's void suit in comparison is a purple lycra suit with a plunging v-neck and dumb looking eyeball jets. Why do you even need a cool biosuit like Kassadin's if the void isn't toxic enough to require anything covering your head or most of your torso?
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the only time i actually felt like league was engaging in a sexism was when miss fortune spilled into the hall in the same way she spilled into her blouse, both taxed to contain her edit: and yeah kaisa's just out of place with the rest of the void  its not really so much the neckline, kassadin's got his abs out, its just that she has a recognizable human face. literally nothing else from that design niche does. and i don't care at all about the League Lore but it really shatters visual unity when their entire thing is 'we don't have faces and are purple' and then she has a face and is gray the other big void thing is eyes. velkoz is literally just a big eyeball, reksai doesnt have eyes, everyone else's eyes are super glowy. kaisa... just has normal eyes. Endorph fucked around with this message at 07:28 on Apr 8, 2018 |
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Teikanmi posted:Like literally is there anyone who actually gets upset at women being sexy, like genuinely angry its super boring and the people that like it a lot are almost always loving weirdos
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I wish instead of having a Venom symbiote, Kai'sa's suit was just made of dead Void critters cobbled together, like she shoots her W out of a mounted torn-out Vel'Koz eye and her Q is, I don't know, spines from a Cho'Gath rear end. It could be really visually distinct and get across the premise of the character better. Also she should be bloodthirsty instead of sleepy
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Kai'sa is a bad character in all regards
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Caitlyn is pretty exceptional this patch. Her win rate isn't stellar, but at 49%, she's still played in 13% of all games so she's probably broken still.
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pog boyfriend posted:no because with malzahar he was pretty good as an AP mid laner, the new rework is not particularly better, i guess it is kind of better, but malzahar could also be played as an AD mid laner using pets, an AD top laner , an AP or an AD jungler, and you could also kind of work the gimmicks of AP top malzahar and adc malzahar. but with new rework, all of those alternative ways to play him disappeared, and for what? I agree that the loss of the AD builds in general was pretty disappointing and ultimately unnecessary. Servaetes posted:Kai'sa is a bad character in all regards
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Proud of this hook from a game with goons https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpnVsTTSaIQ
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I love tits, I'm a man and I'm an American
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Kai'sa would be improved immensely without the helmet option. Just have her helmet on all the time and make her art with the helmet on and have it be necessary for her to live on earth/the void anymore because she's been mutated horribly by her life-style. It would fix so much I'm not even joking. Like, keep the bodysuit because she's meant to be a Venom/Blue Beetle/etc style character and it's literally a living second skin attaching itself to her original body, just don't let her take off the helmet it's so stupid she can and starts without the helmet on.
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^^^: But yes, basically this.Kiranamos posted:What an age we live in If you don't hit Ctrl + 5 to turn her helmet on permanently, then you're doing it wrong. Killed By Death posted:Her writing/visuals/voice/story are all bad, but mechanically I think she's actually pretty enjoyable. Also, yeah. I admit I'm actually having alot of fun playing her. Especially out of the Jungle. Kokoro Wish fucked around with this message at 13:06 on Apr 8, 2018 |
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Endorph posted:the only time i actually felt like league was engaging in a sexism was when miss fortune spilled into the hall in the same way she spilled into her blouse, both taxed to contain her The reasons she’s out of place is because the designers intentionally wanted to design the first “survivor of the void.” Every single other champion is either a monster born of the void or a human who willingly let themselves be corrupted by the void.
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Teikanmi posted:Like literally is there anyone who actually gets upset at women being sexy, like genuinely angry The fact that the entire world is plastered with images telling women 'sexy' should be part of their identity is a massive issue. Imaginary shootamans can contribute to this problem as much as any other media really. In an ideal world there would be no problem with having overtly sexualized characters in games, nor lingerie models on billboards, but for that to not be an issue it needs to be just one part of a much more diverse overall picture.
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I guess the real question is "what kind of weirdos actually care about what the characters in the this game look like/lore" to me they're just abilities on legs and could all look like ugly chuds and it wouldn't make any difference
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You should go work for Capcom. Oh, but they're not characters; they're functions. Just keep that in mind and you'll fit in perfectly.
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