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El Perkele
Nov 7, 2002

I HAVE SHIT OPINIONS ON STAR WARS MOVIES!!!

I can't even call the right one bad.

Cerebral Bore posted:

Why the hell would kok/kepu want these chucklefucks, though?

Judas goats are fun

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Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

doverhog posted:

If the Blues had any real intention of being real party they would come up with some populist thing and threaten to bring down sote and maakunta, make a real splash.

The problem with this is that then Sipilä would resign and there would be an instant parliament election. Guess who have nothing to gain from that option?? Now at least Smurfs can pretend that they still have pleeeenty of time to dig upward from their hole. *blink* oh hey, it's 2019 already!!!

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin
https://blogit.apu.fi/uuninpankkopoikasakutimonen/2018/04/03/maakunnat-ja-demokratia/
https://www.superliitto.fi/viestinta/superin-sote-malli/

I am sure that the new maakunnat will give a great amount of poo poo over syrjäkunnat now that they have zero representation over healthcare issues. How much more are landepaukut going to take this poo poo from their party? I'm loving fine here. My city dominates more then half of the places in our maakuntaedustajisto. The most ironic thing about this whole thing - really, about everything this Kepu-led government does - is that spoiled-rear end urban upper middle class punavihreakupla social justice warriors like myself that they hate will not be affected much...they just opened a huge healthcare center 5 minutes from me, that poo poo isn't closing down.

While say, Pornainen?

quote:

Onneksi olkoon! Kuntanne luovuttaa päätösvallan sekä lompakkonsa suoraan maakunnan suurimmalle kunnalle. Paremmin ne siellä varmasti tietävät, miten asiat pitää hoitaa. Älkää surko, ette ole yksin. Valtaosa Suomen kunnista siirtää päätöksenteon muille.

SOTE:n osalta kannattaa omistaa auto, jolla pääsee terveyskeskukseen tai muiden sote-palveluiden ääreen. Miksipä sitä syrjäkylillä kukaan palveluja säilyttäisi. Sehän tuo vain kustannuksia.

DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Apr 3, 2018

Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

Paavo, tule ja pelasta meidät :ohdear:

doverhog
May 31, 2013

Defender of democracy and human rights 🇺🇦

Nenonen posted:

The problem with this is that then Sipilä would resign and there would be an instant parliament election. Guess who have nothing to gain from that option?? Now at least Smurfs can pretend that they still have pleeeenty of time to dig upward from their hole. *blink* oh hey, it's 2019 already!!!

If that happened, they could then go on all the election talk shows and say "we saved Finland from the Kepu Cock sote nightmare!". That would at least be something they could try to leverage to get votes. They won't do it, because the whole reason the party even exists is to support Sipilä and then vanish after the dirty deed has been done. Some might join Kepu or Cock, some might receive some other pay off, and some probably were just useful idiots who committed political suicide because they just are that dumb.

No. 1 Callie Fan
Feb 17, 2011

This inkling is your FRIEND
She fights for LOVE
https://twitter.com/anterovartia/status/981574693487566848

It's kinda sad that the government seems to lack basic understanding of how politics works. I mean, why are lobbyists sitting at the table that decides how much government grant companies get? Of course they'll be against any cuts, they wouldn't be doing their jobs then.

Havana Affair
Apr 6, 2009
The government is against the cuts too. Now they can pretend they tried or something.

bloom
Feb 25, 2017

by sebmojo
I can't wait to see what the next government does to make these last two seem (kinda sorta maybe) competent.

Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

Watch the government defend their T4-Program:

quote:

Kansalaisaloite vammaisten henkilöiden välttämättömän avun ja tuen kilpailuttamisen lopettamiseksi tulee eduskunnan käsittelyyn tänään.

[...]

- Vastustamme sitä, että vammaisten henkilöiden koko elämän mittaisia, välttämättömiä palveluja järjestetään hankintalain mukaisesti palvelujen kilpailutuksen kautta. Kilpailutus on vastoin ihmisoikeuksia ja tulee pitkällä tähtäimellä sekä inhimillisesti että kansantaloudellisesti kalliiksi. Nämä elämälle välttämättömät palvelut tulee rajata hankintalain soveltamisalan ulkopuolelle. Monissa Euroopan Unionin maissa näin on tehty, kansalaisaloitteessa kirjoitetaan.

Aloitteen mukaan erityisen paljon vahinkoa on tehty vammaisille henkilöille ja heidän läheisilleen kuntien järjestämissä uusintakilpailutuksissa.

- Kun henkilökunta ei kilpailutuksen jälkeen siirry uuden toimijan palvelukseen, menettävät asumispalveluiden asiakkaat heitä ymmärtävät ja heille tärkeät työntekijät. Silloin arjen rakentaminen on jälleen aloitettava alusta. Tällä voi olla kohtalokkaat seuraukset henkilön mielenterveyden ja toimintakyvyn heikentymisen kannalta.

Come on Sipilä, tell us about useless mouths to feed :allears:

Darkest Auer
Dec 30, 2006

They're silly

Ramrod XTreme
How else can Cocks get their cocks up if they're not treating disabled people as literally cattle?

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

No. 1 Callie Fan posted:

https://twitter.com/anterovartia/status/981574693487566848

It's kinda sad that the government seems to lack basic understanding of how politics works. I mean, why are lobbyists sitting at the table that decides how much government grant companies get? Of course they'll be against any cuts, they wouldn't be doing their jobs then.

Speaking of cuts, here are some that the government literally refuses to acknowledge, apparently:
https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-10074037
https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-10146708

Sulphagnist
Oct 10, 2006

WARNING! INTRUDERS DETECTED

Havana Affair posted:

The government is against the cuts too. Now they can pretend they tried or something.

Ding ding ding.

I mean they appointed loving Mauri Pekkarinen to lead the group. It was obvious from day one. Even Mauri himself seemed completely baffled as to what the hell he was doing there. Actually last I heard they were going to recommend more business grants instead of cutting them.

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin
Lol this Persu lady whose name I forgot just had to mention asylum seekers in this context too, I love the classic model so much, glad they split to concentrate it again :discourse:

DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 17:20 on Apr 5, 2018

I-H
Dec 24, 2009
https://twitter.com/simo_kr/status/979733701922869248

Direct image for convenience:

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin
If there is one field where I wan't graduating students to be completely unqualified thanks to massive cuts, it's definitely the one dealing with high voltages. Or administering medicine. Priorities!
https://yle.fi/aihe/artikkeli/2018/04/05/karrikoiden-riittaa-kun-joka-toisen-laakkeet-menevat-oikein-hatahuutoja

Darkest Auer
Dec 30, 2006

They're silly

Ramrod XTreme

DarkCrawler posted:

If there is one field where I wan't graduating students to be completely unqualified thanks to massive cuts, it's definitely the one dealing with high voltages. Or administering medicine. Priorities!
https://yle.fi/aihe/artikkeli/2018/04/05/karrikoiden-riittaa-kun-joka-toisen-laakkeet-menevat-oikein-hatahuutoja

If the current government had any time left, they'd use this as an excuse to fully privatize education

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

DarkCrawler posted:

Speaking of cuts, here are some that the government literally refuses to acknowledge, apparently:
https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-10074037
https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-10146708

And here is Blue Theoreticals suddenly being so concerned over the poor...after having underwritten every poor-rear end-loving decision this government has done thus far and breaking their own party apart to stay in the government
https://www.uusisuomi.fi/kotimaa/245614-kokoomuksesta-tyrmays-sinisille-taitaa-olla-vaalit-tulossa

Seriously, who the gently caress would vote for these people? It's like a loving coat-carousel over here. First they betray their party to stay in the government, now it seems they are trying to betray their government in order to have a party at all. This is the goddamn saddest loving story in Finnish politics ever, but they deserve every bit of it so nobody except them is actually sad.

Oh man...still a year to go with these guys... :cripes:

Krabboss
Nov 11, 2016

MY HUSBAND'S PARSE IS BETTER THAN YOURS
Went to Espoo today to take an entrance exam. The trains were nice and the two people I interacted with on the street spoke English to me unprompted. The town is an ugly hellhole, though. That's my story.

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

Krabboss posted:

Went to Espoo today to take an entrance exam. The trains were nice and the two people I interacted with on the street spoke English to me unprompted. The town is an ugly hellhole, though. That's my story.

You mean Espoon Keskus? It's not really "the town", it's just one of the like five "centers" of Espoo (Espoo doesn't have a real centre, like Vantaa it is just really a commuter region to the capital). It is indeed an ugly hellhole, though. Like holy gently caress I refuse to believe there was ever an era where those buildings were aesthetically appreciated and I think it is literally impossible to spend more then two minutes waiting for train before someone asks you for a cigarette/money/sometimes drugs (not that I mind, I get asked all of those a lot). Leppävaara & Tapiola are much prettier and these days probably more populated too.

DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Apr 6, 2018

Darkest Auer
Dec 30, 2006

They're silly

Ramrod XTreme

DarkCrawler posted:

You mean Espoon Keskus? It's not really "the town", it's just one of the like five "centers" of Espoo (Espoo doesn't have a real centre, like Vantaa it is just really a commuter region to the capital). It is indeed an ugly hellhole, though. Like holy gently caress I refuse to believe there was ever an era where those buildings were aesthetically appreciated and I think it is literally impossible to spend more then two minutes waiting for train before someone asks you for a cigarette/money/sometimes drugs (not that I mind, I get asked all of those a lot). Leppävaara & Tapiola are much prettier and these days probably more populated too.

Yes, well, I suppose that a brutal concrete hellscape is nicer in absolute terms than a Brazilian favela, but neither of them are really fit to live in, imo

Krabboss
Nov 11, 2016

MY HUSBAND'S PARSE IS BETTER THAN YOURS
Yeah I was in Leppävaara and I thought it looked like poo poo. I'd only been to the centre before today and thought it was mostly unremarkable and barren.

DeadlyHalibut
May 31, 2008

Krabboss posted:

Yeah I was in Leppävaara and I thought it looked like poo poo. I'd only been to the centre before today and thought it was mostly unremarkable and barren.

You were on the wrong side of the tracks then.

No. 1 Callie Fan
Feb 17, 2011

This inkling is your FRIEND
She fights for LOVE
Eleven years of Center Party rule since the turn of the century and they still couldn't stop people from moving to the big cities. Is politics dead?

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

DeadlyHalibut posted:

You were on the wrong side of the tracks then.

Yeah, it's one of those areas where you do have to ignore the other side to truly enjoy it...but that's not possible at all in Esbo centrum.

No. 1 Callie Fan posted:

Eleven years of Center Party rule since the turn of the century and they still couldn't stop people from moving to the big cities. Is politics dead?

Honestly, are there any other countries where urbanization is ignored/actively worked against at almost every level of politics despite it being more of a law of nature these days then something that any policy or social engineering can change? The entire existence of the Centre Party is basically sitting on top of a corpse and slapping it, yelling at it to breathe! It's already decomposing but that doesn't seem to bother them.

Also this poo poo is really weird:
https://www.hs.fi/kuukausiliite/art-2000005628950.html

I get worshipping Jesus because he's kinda chill but Angels are horrifying otherworldy war machines of God. If you actually read the Bible/Torah/Quran they are mainly sent by God to gently caress poo poo up and commit literal genocide more then once. It's like worshipping Genghis Khan except he is also a burning wheel with a million eyes and somehow he is supposed to give you good vibes through the ether or whatever. drat Angels have some good PR.

DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 12:32 on Apr 7, 2018

Darkest Auer
Dec 30, 2006

They're silly

Ramrod XTreme
It's almost as if fairy tales don't make sense

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

Darkest Auer posted:

It's almost as if fairy tales don't make sense

They never do but I mean this is just picking the Witch from Hansel and Gretel and making her some zen savior. Between all the different Jesi, Buddha, Zoroaster, New Age stuff, Wiccanism and whatnot, why on Earth would you decide on the Six-Winged Murder Demigod with the head of an ox, an eagle, a man and a lion.

I actually find fairy tales very fascinating which is why it pisses me off when people who actually believe in them never read them. Angels are way more awesome then some loving winged pussy bitch and if they were real they would be smiting these motherfuckers for spreading false rumors. If there was an professional angel-master who promised that by giving her 1500€ she will send a nightmarish creature consisting of nothing but flaming wings and swords to gently caress up your lovely boss, I could at least respect her consistency with the source material.

I'd do it myself but sadly it is another career path shut off by possessing a rudimentary sense of morality...

DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 15:38 on Apr 7, 2018

No. 1 Callie Fan
Feb 17, 2011

This inkling is your FRIEND
She fights for LOVE
Speaking of fairy tales, some in True Finns see Vladimir Putin as a true friend of Finland, and have even gone on television to defend Putin in the UK poisoning event. Tom Packalen criticized the lack of the "smoking gun" that would indite Russia - which is true, but come on now - and then we have Juho Eerola, who thinks there was nothing bad about the annexation of Crimea, kinda like when the USSR did the same with Finnish Carelia. Uhh, sure.

This comes as not that surprising if you've been following Homma forum and their weird antics. At one point they set up an address that suggested we'd merge with Russia. And apparently that side of the far-right (post-nationalist?) clique has finally emerged within the party. Of course that kind of treasonous poo poo will probably never fly in mainstream politics, so Halla-aho is doing all he can to downplay these outbursts. But it's interesting to see some party representatives in the parliament channeling that kind of crazy in their talks. Or terrifying.

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin
Not surprised. Only reason this didn't happen earlier is because of Finland's own history with Russia (same with Poland for example). Right-wing populism and Daddy Putin go hand in hand like right-wing populism and being a loving treasonous moron retard.

DanTheFryingPan
Jan 28, 2006

DarkCrawler posted:

Leppävaara & Tapiola are much prettier

:lol::lol::lol:

No.

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

No. 1 Callie Fan posted:

Speaking of fairy tales, some in True Finns see Vladimir Putin as a true friend of Finland, and have even gone on television to defend Putin in the UK poisoning event. Tom Packalen criticized the lack of the "smoking gun" that would indite Russia - which is true, but come on now - and then we have Juho Eerola, who thinks there was nothing bad about the annexation of Crimea, kinda like when the USSR did the same with Finnish Carelia. Uhh, sure.

This comes as not that surprising if you've been following Homma forum and their weird antics. At one point they set up an address that suggested we'd merge with Russia. And apparently that side of the far-right (post-nationalist?) clique has finally emerged within the party. Of course that kind of treasonous poo poo will probably never fly in mainstream politics, so Halla-aho is doing all he can to downplay these outbursts. But it's interesting to see some party representatives in the parliament channeling that kind of crazy in their talks. Or terrifying.

Nazis are weird like that: once you go nationalist enough, you start promoting a Pan-Scandinavian kingdom where the Ugris are an odd minority, or licking the Tsar's boot. I think it's part of their reproductive cycle, they need to become enslaved by our neighbours to florish again.

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

Nenonen posted:

Nazis are weird like that: once you go nationalist enough, you start promoting a Pan-Scandinavian kingdom where the Ugris are an odd minority, or licking the Tsar's boot. I think it's part of their reproductive cycle, they need to become enslaved by our neighbours to florish again.

Right-wing nationalists operate on the chimpanzee principle, always follow the alpha male. Putin is the alphaest of all males (literally cultivating a dumb macho image because knows it works on these mouthbreathers) so they gravitate naturally towards him.

uncop
Oct 23, 2010
TBH it's Putin's post-truth strategy succeeding when all these countries buy into an atmosphere of paranoia where they feel like they have to act fast so that the official opinion and reaction are declared before any real investigation has a chance of finishing. Even if the research proves the official take correct, it's left obvious that everyone is engaged in educated guesswork, opinion is printed as fact and truth is something that may or may not be revealed after action has already been taken. All such decisions become opportunities to breed cynical distrust of democratically elected leaders, as every time they act hastily is an opportunity to showcase a wide united front of western leaders that declared falsity truth and acted on it, if truth is revealed afterward and it's the equivalent of Saddam having had no WMDs.

The alternative would be to take it slow and confirm things before taking action to uphold people's faith that their leaders have a principled respect for truth, but that would make them slow to react to challenges which is unacceptable to Russia's competitors, or make them unable to act in unity with those competitors that everyone else relies on to protect them from Russia.

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin
Rarely does an article make me dry heave but :wtc:
https://www.is.fi/kotimaa/art-2000005633688.html

Goddamn I've seriously never hated a Finnish politician this much, it is frankly amazing. If I found him passed out and bleeding on the street, I'd unleash a whole dance dance revolution playthrough on his crotch.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

No. 1 Callie Fan posted:

Eleven years of Center Party rule since the turn of the century and they still couldn't stop people from moving to the big cities. Is politics dead?

I had to tally it all up and it appears Kokoomus has 6 ministers (because Berner, despite her membership in Keskusta, is obviously a Kokoomusan and drives Kokoomus politics), Keskusta 6, and the National Socialist Party has 5. Not really "Centre Party rule" as such.

e: Of course being the a member of a party while working for another is so utterly deceitful that it's very Kepuan.

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

Jerry Cotton posted:

e: Of course being the a member of a party while working for another is so utterly deceitful that it's very Kepuan.

doverhog
May 31, 2013

Defender of democracy and human rights 🇺🇦
Kepu really is the party of power, and kähmintä. They don't really give a poo poo about the susimetsä. That's just the power base they have. Like the COCK but less honest.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

doverhog posted:

Like the COCK but less honest.

Oh did they also claim they were a workers' party?

No. 1 Callie Fan
Feb 17, 2011

This inkling is your FRIEND
She fights for LOVE

DarkCrawler posted:

Rarely does an article make me dry heave but :wtc:
https://www.is.fi/kotimaa/art-2000005633688.html

Goddamn I've seriously never hated a Finnish politician this much, it is frankly amazing. If I found him passed out and bleeding on the street, I'd unleash a whole dance dance revolution playthrough on his crotch.

But he's the most charismatic dippi-inssi prime minister in our fair land since ever. How could anyone consider harming such a charming hunk of a man? :yayclod:

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Let's not get Suopo to call Lowtax here.

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Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa
Keskustapuolue eli Kestapu

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