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I see Abrams is probably going to reveal who Rey's parents actually were in Ep. IX. 
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:A New Dawn isn't very good but Vidian is great. I liked it plenty. It's what made me want to read more of the new stuff.
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Apr 5, 2018 09:11
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Wheat Loaf posted:I see Abrams is probably going to reveal who Rey's parents actually were in Ep. IX. Anything beyond Simon Pegg saying Abrams originally had a different idea? Because that doesn't mean he's going to change what happened in TLJ.
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Apr 5, 2018 13:01
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Considering that Disney fully intended for the sequels to be a trilogy it is baffling that there seems to be so little input between the directors. Its not in the same boat as A New Hope, which was such a gamble that if it didn't pay off we wouldn't get sequels. The Disney films are guaranteed successes and yet they seem to be production nightmares while trying to keep an air of "everyone is so happy!" In the production docs.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Considering that Disney fully intended for the sequels to be a trilogy it is baffling that there seems to be so little input between the directors. Its not in the same boat as A New Hope, which was such a gamble that if it didn't pay off we wouldn't get sequels. The Disney films are guaranteed successes and yet they seem to be production nightmares while trying to keep an air of "everyone is so happy!" In the production docs. Of all the movies in the Disney era so far, Last Jedi seems like the only one that actually was pretty much drama free in development - no massive rewrites or reshots, no editing entire acts, no director fired, no additional writer(s) brought in at the last second to fix scripts, no on-set accidents, not even a ton of cut scenes. Compare that to TFA, Rogue One, Solo, IX, and whatever the canceled Josh Trank one was, and it's a cakewalk (blue milk run?).
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Chairman Capone posted:Of all the movies in the Disney era so far, Last Jedi seems like the only one that actually was pretty much drama free in development - no massive rewrites or reshots, no editing entire acts, no director fired, no additional writer(s) brought in at the last second to fix scripts, no on-set accidents, not even a ton of cut scenes. Well a lead actress did OD during it.
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Apr 5, 2018 18:57
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PriorMarcus posted:Well a lead actress did OD during it. If you're referring to Carrie...that was well after filming and was unconnected to the film itself.
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jivjov posted:If you're referring to Carrie...that was well after filming and was unconnected to the film itself. Don't you know that Heath Ledger OD'ed because the Joker messed his brain up????????
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Apr 5, 2018 23:04
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There's a lot about TLJ that I love, but it maybe should have had some rewrites.
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I'm of two minds...maybe they could have done something to rewrite the film and give Leia more of an "exit", given that she can't be in IX...but on the other hand, I don't know how well they could have pulled it off given the lack of any way to film any last closing material with her.
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Apr 5, 2018 23:15
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Casimir Radon posted:There's a lot about TLJ that I love, but it maybe should have had some rewrites. All you'd need is three keys. Ctrl+A, Delete.
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Apr 6, 2018 02:13
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LeJackal posted:All you'd need is three keys. mlyp
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Apr 6, 2018 05:28
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Casimir Radon posted:There's a lot about TLJ that I love, but it maybe should have had some rewrites. It's one of those movies which has some problems but I honestly have a hard time disliking it for said problems because none of them are dealbreakers for me. Same as TFA in that respect.
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TLJ's structure actually did change a bit from Johnson's original rough draft script - mainly the opening battle and Canto Bight sequences were completely different, and there were no flashbacks to younger Luke and Ben in the temple, but outside of that his original draft and the shooting script were apparently otherwise similar.Wheat Loaf posted:It's one of those movies which has some problems but I honestly have a hard time disliking it for said problems because none of them are dealbreakers for me. Same as TFA in that respect. I'm somewhat of the same mind - I like TLJ a lot, but that's in spite of some major problems I have with it. But I think TLJ's problems are (for the most part) due to Johnson trying new things and taking risks, so it's hard for me to condemn them too much, and they're at least interesting in their failures. Whereas with TFA, the problems I have with it are almost entirely due to it being too safe and pandering too much to the old formula, or just a straight up lack of creativity and innovation, and I have a lot less respect for those kinds of issues.
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I've been thinking of doing a little fanfic experiment. Remember how Dark Horse did that special comic run of The Star Wars based on the original drafts? I want to try writing a version of the Clone Wars era that's different from what Lucas finally settled on. Instead of clones versus droids it's a crumbling republic fighting cloned supersoldiers and infiltrators. The Jedi aren't based on Coruscant but are instead stretched across the galaxy in small bands acting not as generals but as peacekeepers defending frontier worlds against the clone armies. Take sort of a Kotor stand where the Jedi are divided between actively joining the war effort (like Anakin and Obi-Wan) or staying out of it and acting only to defend others like Yoda.
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Apr 8, 2018 23:22
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPEYpryMp2s Y'know, I'm feeling it.
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Apr 9, 2018 02:01
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I'm still not really sold on, well, any of the human leads besides Clarke and Harrelson, but geez, they're really nailing it in the visuals department.
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Chairman Capone posted:Of all the movies in the Disney era so far, Last Jedi seems like the only one that actually was pretty much drama free in development - no massive rewrites or reshots, no editing entire acts, no director fired, no additional writer(s) brought in at the last second to fix scripts, no on-set accidents, not even a ton of cut scenes. And yet the end result was the worst new Star Wars movie - in my opinion of course. Hope this means problem-ridden Solo will be a masterpiece (the trailer doesn't make me optimistic though). Decius fucked around with this message at 08:14 on Apr 9, 2018 |
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Apr 9, 2018 08:10
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I'm pretty certain that Chewie will end up being the best part of this movie.
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Lake Jucas posted:I'm pretty certain that Chewie will end up being the best part of this movie. him and lando will be alright. Han will be mixed bag at best and clarke will be clarke. I can see the plot twists coming all mile away. its generic heist movie but star wars. Honestly this is the first star wars trailer where i felt nothing watching it. no hype or even interest at all.
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Apr 11, 2018 18:36
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Does anyone have that multi-part oral history/interview about the EU? It's from a couple years back I think, and interviewed a lot of the authors and publishers and started as early as the West End Games stuff. edit: here it is https://www.barnesandnoble.com/blog/sci-fi-fantasy/building-a-galaxy-far-far-away-the-story-of-the-star-wars-expanded-universe-part-1/ It's weirdly buried on google considering how good and thorough it is. I probably found it in this thread a year back, but anyone who missed it should enjoy Ingmar terdman fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Apr 16, 2018 |
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Apr 16, 2018 18:51
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Ingmar terdman posted:Does anyone have that multi-part oral history/interview about the EU? It's from a couple years back I think, and interviewed a lot of the authors and publishers and started as early as the West End Games stuff. Apart from a few sorta-interesting comments from some of the authors, this is mostly just a timeline of when books were added to the EU. I wish there was more about the actual development of the content rather than just "then we got another established sci-fi author to write a few novels within certain guidelines, and sometimes Lucasfilm had editorial demands." Since it's all super positive it ends up coming across like b&n is just trying to sell books via their blog, which of course they are.
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They realized they were sitting on a gold mine, and started churning out stuff non-stop after that. It's not a bad read, but I wish there was a comprehensive overview that also included the comics, games and short story magazines, etc. Basically a behind the scenes/making of of the pre-TPM EU.
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Van Dis posted:Apart from a few sorta-interesting comments from some of the authors, this is mostly just a timeline of when books were added to the EU. I wish there was more about the actual development of the content rather than just "then we got another established sci-fi author to write a few novels within certain guidelines, and sometimes Lucasfilm had editorial demands." Since it's all super positive it ends up coming across like b&n is just trying to sell books via their blog, which of course they are. I've read that in the late 1980s, Brian Daley and James Luceno were invited by Del Rey to pitch their ideas for Star Wars novels before Tim Zahn was hired to write the Thrawn trilogy, and they wanted to pursue more of a space fantasy direction than the military sci-fi approach Zahn subsequently went with and wanted to write the books in chronological order rather than jumping around the timeline as the EU eventually did. I'd be interested in hearing more about that. That, and the weird rejected ideas like Alien Exodus, which was going to be about how humans arrived in the Star Wars galaxy by escaping the dystopian future Earth in THX 1138.
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So han solo last shot showed up in my book store today. I read the blurb and it reads like the kind of thing the Neu was supposed to avoid. We're getting another doomsday weapon and nobody ever changing their outfit.
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Arcsquad12 posted:So han solo last shot showed up in my book store today. I read the blurb and it reads like the kind of thing the Neu was supposed to avoid. We're getting another doomsday weapon and nobody ever changing their outfit. lol if you hadn't already noticed the new EU doing exactly the same dumb things the old EU did (Maz got Leia her RotJ disguise) additional lol if you actually bought into the marketing speak that the new EU would be better than the previous
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Apr 18, 2018 03:02
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The new EU is and will continue to be exactly as dumb as the old EU, with the only notable difference being that now films will be made in perpetuity, so the novels and other ancillary material will never be able to alter the general state of the galaxy.
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Apr 18, 2018 03:30
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They haven't had anything as bad as bug orgies yet have they?
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Milky Moor posted:lol if you hadn't already noticed the new EU doing exactly the same dumb things the old EU did (Maz got Leia her RotJ disguise) Thankfully I haven't bought a new star Wars book since the Warfare Guide, so as much as the Neu annoys me it's not something that ruins everything forever Igbo don't like it
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Doctor Spaceman posted:They haven't had anything as bad as bug orgies yet have they? There was the evil ugly lesbian moff with a fetish for green-skinned Twi'lek sex slaves that helped her get over the grief of her wife dying. Ironically this was also the character that was heavily promoted as being proof of the new EU being super progressive and LGBT friendly.
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Arcsquad12 posted:So han solo last shot showed up in my book store today. I read the blurb and it reads like the kind of thing the Neu was supposed to avoid. We're getting another doomsday weapon and nobody ever changing their outfit. B-b-b-b-but it's all CANON now!!!! 
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Chairman Capone posted:There was the evil ugly lesbian moff with a fetish for green-skinned Twi'lek sex slaves that helped her get over the grief of her wife dying. Ironically this was also the character that was heavily promoted as being proof of the new EU being super progressive and LGBT friendly. Yeah, that was bad, but they've also had an actual good LGBT character with Sinjir. Unfortunately, the books he's actually in are terrible outside of his parts.
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Apr 18, 2018 13:33
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It's not like Beviin wasn't already an existing gay character in star Wars...
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Apr 18, 2018 16:38
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that would require admitting lotf exists
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Apr 18, 2018 16:42
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It's still impressive when Karen Traviss isn't the worst part of the series. Yes her lotf books were bad and she killed off pellaeon and Mara Jade, but at least she did not fill her books with rampant misogyny, sexual assault and gore porn like Denning did. And Beviin was a good character. Considering how all in on mandalorian wank she went Beviin was the most likeable and down to earth mandalorian she wrote.
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It's nice that Allston got to finish off his career in Star Wars with Mercy Kill. I didn't read it but I think it was pretty well-received by those who did. It would have been a shame if LOTF had been the last thing he'd been involved in (and after Betrayal, which I remember thinking was at least a pretty promising start way back when it was published, even his parts weren't him at his best).
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Betrayal wasn't that great either, but I thought Exile was pretty good. Fury (I think was his?) wasn't so hot, though. EDIT: Tempest was Denning, I was thinking of Exile. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Apr 18, 2018 |
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Apr 18, 2018 19:19
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Fury is the one I remember being very jarring because Jacen was written completely differently by the three authors. If I recall correctly, in Tempest, Denning wrote him as a scheming politician who believed he was doing the right thing; in Sacrifice, Traviss wrote him as being aware that he was going over to the dark side and feeling sort of contrite about killing Mara; and slap dab in the middle in Fury, Allston gave him internal narration like, "If there was one thing Jacen Solo loved more than deceiving his parents, it was deceiving Luke Skywalker!" I'm still not sure how the civil war plot was resolved because it receded so far into the background by the halfway point that it might as well never have happened.
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At the very least, the story group seems to try and keep characterization more consistent across multiple works.
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it was resolved by putting loving daala in charge of the republic lol
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