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System Metternich posted:A fun fact about the Karl-Marx-Hof battle: The commander who led the Austrian army's charge against the Hof, Karl Biedermann, later on fought with the Wehrmacht against the Soviet Union only to join a resistance group that passed on information about German deployments in and around Vienna and (futilely) tried to take control of the city so that they could let the Red Army take it without any further bloodshed. The man who once fought for the Austrian fascists against communists was executed by German fascists for cooperating with communists. They should have a  but for World War 2.
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I'm pretty sure it's as simple as being of german or english decent isn't as attractive for an american as irish or Italian. Both are kind of romanticised vs stable/boring (and at one point enemies of the US). I dunno I don't think there is a big deal surrounding it.
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 Kaiser Wilhelm claimed go have seen this in a dream I'm the Russian dessert
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Dreddout posted:
I'm Greece, freshly annexed clay of the glorious Austrian People's Republic
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Frog Act posted:bonus: the austrofascist dictator engelbert dollfuss was loving tiny, and people often made fun of how he looked in Liederhosen (which was hilariously popular with austrian fascists lol). He's on the left quote:Dollfuss stood no more than 4 feet 11 inches or 150 centimetres tall. 1930s Austrians were harsh but hilarious. Despite his "Austrofascism" tendencies Dollfuss seems to have been quite dead-set against the Anschluss. I wonder if he had survived would he have done a better job of fending the Nazis off.
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Kaiser Wilhelm claimed to see a world with no German Empire? Weird
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Blut posted:1930s Austrians were harsh but hilarious. The guy after him was also against Anschluss, if I remember correctly.
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Elyv posted:Kaiser Wilhelm claimed to see a world with no German Empire? Weird I think it might have been a nightmare. I can't read German, can anyone translate?
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Jippa posted:I'm pretty sure it's as simple as being of german or english decent isn't as attractive for an american as irish or Italian. Both are kind of romanticised vs stable/boring (and at one point enemies of the US). As opposed to the Germans, never enemies of the USA lol. No seriously my dude, there is maybe somewhere in the ballpark of 300-200 years of time between major English immigration and major Irish/Italian immigration. People with Polish descent are also pretty gung-ho about their background as well, there's Little Poland's and the like around. You know, that sexy romantic ethnicity, the Polish.
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The Austrian interpretation of fascism had some slight differences to the NDSAP version Most notably the Austrofascists heavily emphasised the role of Catholicism in Austrian history and society and saw their predominantly Protestant German cousins as being worse at being German* because of this. They were also a lot less antisemitic although there was cases of Bolshevism being seen as inherently Jewish they never had any laws specifically and explicitly targeting Jews like the Third Reich had. From what I've read their antisemitism also seems to have been more in line with the older religious/cultural antisemitism rather than the modern racial-science view the Nazis held. It's a bit like if South-Korea was also Communist but were Shachtmanites who were deeply against Juche. *In the wider cultural and linguistic sense of Germans rather than refering to the fairly recent nation-state.
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then I guess that 25 million decrease in english-americans over a couple of decades really was a genocide 
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cool new Metroid game posted:then I guess that 25 million decrease in english-americans over a couple of decades really was a genocide More like an ethnic cleansing.
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Grape posted:As opposed to the Germans, never enemies of the USA lol. Do you think the timeframe difference you point out might contribute to english/german being "stable/boring"? Also he was pretty loving obviously referring to the english and germans as being the enemies, my dude feller fucked around with this message at 04:17 on Apr 9, 2018 |
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Dreddout posted:I think it might have been a nightmare. Yes, it says that it's taken from an English weekly magazine called "Truth" (hence why the title was in English). The plot is that the Kaiser is placed under hypnosis and reveals a future where all European monarchies have been overthrown: https://schauungen.de/Sonstiges/TheKaisersDream/ProphetischeLandkarte.pdf
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Senor Dog posted:Do you think the timeframe difference you point out might contribute to english/german being "stable/boring"? No, I think it contributes to there actually being very little old worldness left over all things considered. I'm 4th gen Italian/Irish, and just by comparison to how my dad grew up I have precious little cultural connection to those things. Any more generations out and it will be nothing much more than a last name (and even that will easily wash away). Now apply that to things that are like say.... 14th generation...
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Dreddout posted:I think it might have been a nightmare.
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I posted this in the Weed Thread since it's very significant to that issue. For anyone not from the US, a "ballot initiative" is where you can put a proposed law up for popular vote, generally by just getting enough state residents to sign a petition. Only some states allow it, but given that 8 out of 9 states that have legalized weed have done so through ballot initiative (Vermont did it through their legislature), there's a really high correlation between initiative states and weed states. This is further significant looking at 2020, because the initiative states are the ones that might drive voter turnout. Some of these matter less than others (Idaho doesn't even have medical weed, so good luck with anything anytime soon), but Michigan is probably voting on legal weed in November, and Oklahoma is voting on medical weed in June. Looking at the map it's really clear why Massachusetts and Maine were the first states on the East Coast to legalize. There's already interesting talk that Rhode Island and Connecticut might be pretty much forced to legalize weed, given that for most of their residents it's 30 minutes or less to just drive across the border and buy some, so they'll already be getting almost the max of whatever theoretical harms of cannabis, with zero of the financial benefits, unless they hop pretty quick and start legalizing through their legislature. 
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Viktor Orban‘s Fidesz just won the general election in Hungary with about 50% of the votes, which means that in Hungary‘s hosed up parliamentary system they’ll get about 2/3rds of all seats in parliament and will be able to change the constitution whenever they want. They’re not alone in this though, voting shares in France, Italy and the U.K. also translate only badly into proportional parliamentary representation:
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FreudianSlippers posted:The Austrian interpretation of fascism had some slight differences to the NDSAP version Weren't the austro-facists quite closely aligned with Italian fascists? One of the reasons Mussolini gave up on the French and agreed a pact with Hitler was because the entente wouldn't support his objections to Anschluss.
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I think it was the other way around, the reason Mussolini agreed to Anschluss was because the Entente wouldn't lift the sanctions imposed as a consequence of Ethiopia. But yes, Italy was Austria's main patron, and keeping Germany at bay was one of Mussolini's political pillars, until it wasn't.
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According to the "countries invaded by Britain" map Poland was, in fact, invaded by Britain. Confirm/deny?
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Legends? Who needs 'em?
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Carbon dioxide posted:Countries that invaded Poland: never forget the brutal invasion of poland by moldavia.
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Carbon dioxide posted:Countries that invaded Poland: Countries demarcated as not having invaded Poland: Andorra, San Marino, Monaco. Countries which blend into the red areas and which have thus presumably invaded Poland: Vatican City, Liechtenstein.
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Numerical Anxiety posted:Countries demarcated as not having invaded Poland: Andorra, San Marino, Monaco. the vatican endorsed the teutonic crusades against the poles so who knows
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Did we ever find out how many divisions the Pope had?
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He definitely has a Marine Corps.
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Numerical Anxiety posted:Countries demarcated as not having invaded Poland: Andorra, San Marino, Monaco. Oh, sorry, didn't know that you feel that way about small things. Have a full-size version of this image https://i.imgur.com/RQYG7i0.jpg (posted the smaller one here because this one filled up the screen)
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steinrokkan posted:He definitely has a Marine Corps. Don't knock the military prowess of the genetically engineered Holy Synod of Commando Alligator Bishops. 
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I still see mecha-gators.
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Why are Norway & Sweden (and to a lesser extent Finland) so high, comparatively? It seems out of kilter with the rest of Northern Europe going down in % as you go Northwards.
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Blut posted:Why are Norway & Sweden (and to a lesser extent Finland) so high, comparatively? It seems out of kilter with the rest of Northern Europe going down in % as you go Northwards. A better question is what's up with the Ainu? 
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It’s possible there is no reason and genetic drift can adequately explain regional variation.
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Fair.
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Also might be that only the Ainu only get that much granulation on the map because Japan's the only country in the region that's had scientists looking into all sorts of random crap for more than a century now. There might well be equally hairy dudes in certain parts of Borneo and New Guinea but we just wouldn't have had it measured.
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Beards are like the Ainu thing.
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Autonomous Monster posted:A better question is what's up with the Ainu? They're hairy.   
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Is that "percentage of men who are hairy" or "Percentage of any given male body which is covered in hair"
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