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BioEnchanted posted:To be fair we're the worst thing about real life, too. Absolutely.
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Apr 8, 2018 19:22
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BioEnchanted posted:Agreed, although the Earth having to deal with a sudden influx of magic would be a really cool plotline, just not right now, or for this show specifically. Season 5 foreshadowing, maybe. And if it turns out Oskar and Jackie-Lee are would've-been vampires and merfolk if magic access hadn't been blocked off that would be some incredible season 1 payoffs.
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Apr 8, 2018 19:26
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Ruflux posted:About this, yeah Glossaryck was absolutely working towards getting Eclipsa to go free, quite possibly from the beginning. Like, before any of the recent stuff happened. I assume this would include coordinating with Eclipsa after she was freed from the crystal to lead Star on the right path - he's essentially been playing the whole crew like idiots while being as minimally helpful as he can while Eclipsa builds towards an opportunity to break free. I imagine it's a case of him not really caring at all about the other queens that came after since they're technically illegitimate and possibly Eclipsa's raw ability too. I wonder how much of Glossaryck's actions had to do with the Butterfly family spellbook being destroyed. He'd previously explained himself as belonging to the book (and thus 'belonging' to whoever possessed the book at the time), but now that the book is gone, it wouldn't surprise me if he's been deliberately pushing the limits of how far he can act independently. Bobbin Threadbare posted:Is Rhina the Riddled a reference to Infinity Train? Yeah, that's the first thing I thought of as well. And as to the second thing, just want to point out I called that months ago 
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:Is Rhina the Riddled a reference to Infinity Train? Here is the image, to save the time of anyone else looking it up  While I was browsing, I noticed the book Miss Heinous looks through in S01E10 while trying to find out the dimension to which Star and Turdina fled, Black Metallurgy and Ores of the Multiverse, was the same book Dennis used to try to find Ludo.  Ludo's wand had Toffee's severed forelimb in it from the beginning galenanorth fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Apr 8, 2018 |
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Apr 8, 2018 19:53
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I hope the Dowager Dimension is old and bitter that the Andromeda dimension broke up with her and left her to ruin.
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Apr 8, 2018 19:58
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At one point I thought Star would remember who she is after look at the photo booth picture of her and Marco.
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Apr 8, 2018 20:25
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It's definitely interesting that the Magic Dimension has had such a big effect on Moon. She's really in there deep, not even a peep of who she used to be. Maybe it was because she was under so much more pressure than Star was in her first foray into that place - Star was just exploring her magic, Moon was facing an ancient monster who was spawned from someone she initially thought of as evil, on top of realising that she didn't even really know her allies in the Magical High Council.
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Apr 8, 2018 20:29
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Though to be fair, my least favorite part of the show isn't Earth (though close!) It's Ludo. I still think he's a crap character. He isn't compelling in any way, and his design is pretty poor. Any section of the show that focuses on him is worse for it. That kind of character can work in small amounts, like say Starscream, but is absolutely intolerable as a major force.
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Apr 8, 2018 21:35
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Bobbin Threadbear's effortposts inspired me to do my own, analyzing aspects of the show's production I already made a post detailing info on season 1 here: but there's a few other things worth adding: On season 1, the top people on the show other than Nefcy were supervising director Dave Wasson (creator of Time Squad, producer/director on the Buzz on Maggie and Making Fiends; currently a director on the Mickey Mouse shorts) and story editor was Jordana Arkin, who has had a ton of writing credits on various sitcoms and cartoons (notably being executive story editor on Saved by the Bell: The New Class, serving as a producer on shows like The Goode Family, Melissa & Joey, and Fuller House, and creating Project Mc˛). Both also served as co-executive producers on season 1 and are credited with developing the show. Apparently the both had left after the season was fully outlined but before it was completely boarded.  A lot of my explanation about the eps being heavily reboarded can be seen in my earlier post, but it's worth noting what the directors previously worked on. Mike Mullen mainly worked (usually as a director) on various Klasky Csupo shows (as well as serving as director on Kung Fu Panda Legends of Awesomness). Piero Piluso was a boarder on Camp Lazlo, Phineas and Freb, and Flapjack. Aaron Hammersley was a storyboard artist on Danny Phantom, FOP, and Tuff Puppy, later a director on KFP: LoA like a lot of the other crew. and Dominic Bisignano was a storyboard revisionist on Secret Mountain Fort Awesome and boarder on Uncle Grandpa (as well as being co-creator of Back to Backspace). Both Aaron and Dominic ended up becoming post-production directors on the season, likely tied to their promotion in season 2. Nefcy herself had cited that Aaron and Dominic's reworking of Mewberty (which was done with her input) was what helped inspire the show to change its direction.
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Apr 8, 2018 21:43
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Pick posted:Though to be fair, my least favorite part of the show isn't Earth (though close!) It's Ludo. I still think he's a crap character. He isn't compelling in any way, and his design is pretty poor. Any section of the show that focuses on him is worse for it. That kind of character can work in small amounts, like say Starscream, but is absolutely intolerable as a major force. The thing about Ludo, especially in Season 1 and 2, is that he's the ultimate foil to Star. In every way that's possible on the show, they're polar opposites-she's the princess that was born to rule, he's the runt of the litter. She was kicked out of her family castle and sent to earth, he kicked his family out of their castle. She's kind, he's cruel, she's powerful but undisciplined, he's weak but tenacious. The tenacity especially is what I think makes him an interesting character-whereas Star is defined by her constant inability to confront her problems and her feelings, Ludo will stop at nothing to achieve what he wants. I've said it before in this thread, but in Season 2 especially he's like Tuco from The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly-an utterly cruel and unrefined son of a bitch that you can't help but admire for their ability to continue fighting long after they've been knocked down, powered by nothing but raw spite.
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Apr 9, 2018 03:56
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Pick posted:Though to be fair, my least favorite part of the show isn't Earth (though close!) It's Ludo. I still think he's a crap character. He isn't compelling in any way, and his design is pretty poor. Any section of the show that focuses on him is worse for it. That kind of character can work in small amounts, like say Starscream, but is absolutely intolerable as a major force. I guess it's just a matter of personal preference, but I adore Ludo and wish he showed up more often. Ludo is a character who's very similar to the Bergens from the Trolls movie or John Doe from the most recent Telltale Batman game (which any one in this thread likes Batman even a little bit should defiantly play): He's a monster who's incapable of understanding goodness, but not necessarily in a malicious way. He's fascinated by concepts like love and friendship, but he doesn't quite understand how they (and a lot of other things) work. He accomplishes his goals through brute force and violence because that's all he knows, and they may not be an elegant solutions but by God are they effective. He's silly and cruel at the same time, cheerfully doing horrible things without quite comprehending how horrible they are. I don't know what this says about me as I person, but I find that both enduring and hilarious. I also disagree that he has a bad design, I feel his appearance perfectly captures who he is: A gross little dumb monster. 
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BioEnchanted posted:It's definitely interesting that the Magic Dimension has had such a big effect on Moon. She's really in there deep, not even a peep of who she used to be. Maybe it was because she was under so much more pressure than Star was in her first foray into that place - Star was just exploring her magic, Moon was facing an ancient monster who was spawned from someone she initially thought of as evil, on top of realising that she didn't even really know her allies in the Magical High Council. Well, also like half of her soul got sucked out by Meteora right before that point.
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Apr 9, 2018 18:31
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I'd like to suppose that the next season will be a nuanced take on Star helping Eclipsa reform Mewni, but the series isn't titled Star vs. the Forces of Entrenched Culture.
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Apr 9, 2018 18:46
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Madurai posted:I'd like to suppose that the next season will be a nuanced take on Star helping Eclipsa reform Mewni, but the series isn't titled Star vs. the Forces of Entrenched Culture. Well, you could argue that Mewman entrenched culture could come under heading of 'Evil'... I wonder if Star surrendering her golden power to Meteora is what saved her from the Black Velvet Inferno. But I wouldn't be surprised if we'll see it again. I think at this point (as the credits song says), the magic flows through her. I'm guessing the Search for Moon will be the driving conflict for at least the first half of season 4.
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Apr 9, 2018 20:05
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Madurai posted:I'd like to suppose that the next season will be a nuanced take on Star helping Eclipsa reform Mewni, but the series isn't titled Star vs. the Forces of Entrenched Culture. "Entrenched Culture" and "Evil" are basically synonyms.
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Apr 9, 2018 20:16
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Star goes to her balcony after gathering the people of Mewni: "It has come to my attention that you are all total idiots. However, I am here to lead you. I will drag you into the future if I have to chain your legs to a wagon to do so!"
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Apr 9, 2018 20:32
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So, I've not had a chance to watch the last two weeks of Star, but I'm having no luck finding it. Nothing on  and it seems you can't watch on Disney XD's website. Any ideas, goons?
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Apr 9, 2018 21:38
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Some channels upload them in bits on Youtube, like "Ford in a Bikini"
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Apr 9, 2018 21:45
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Andrew_1985 posted:So, I've not had a chance to watch the last two weeks of Star, but I'm having no luck finding it. Nothing on the usual sites have the eps
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Apr 9, 2018 21:47
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Andrew_1985 posted:So, I've not had a chance to watch the last two weeks of Star, but I'm having no luck finding it. Nothing on The stickied comment on each /r/StarVStheForcesofEvil/ episode discussion is usually very helpful
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Apr 9, 2018 21:49
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The Ayshkerbundy posted:no no no if you wanted to do it like the cool kids on /co/ you should've also posted an image of Mung Daal from Chowder The Ayshkerbundy more like 'Ayshk anybundy else'
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Well, that was nuts. Was anything else getting Zuko vibes from Tom's war getup?
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Well, that was nuts. It's definitely a visual reference, especially since Tom is another edgy, awkward teenage prince with the power of fire.
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I do like the call-back to how Tom's basically a Legion of minor fire demons apparently. Possibly the 'demon' monsters might actually be a subrace that has a kind of symbiotic relationship with incorporeal demons, which is where they get their power from, enough that the Mewman royals (and the Magic High Commission) are willing to treat them as equals.Though if Pony Head's seahorse ex is any indication, most people can't handle even one very well. (then again, not like he ever had much of a personality) Also on the magic colours; like Ludo, Meteora's magic seemed to primarily use green, but unlike Ludo, it seemed to be a brighter, more electric shade than the destructive blasts we saw Ludo (and in one case Star) use. Maybe just for differentiation? Still pretty sure that the magic colours go: Gold: Raw magical power and energy, given it's the dominant colour of the magical sea. Pink: Summoning and creation, being the main colour of Star's magic, which is pretty much strongly specialised in summoning spells. Green: Fiery destruction and draining, being fuelled by anger, hate, and quite possibly spite and envy. Black: Annihilation and subversion, a dominant colour of Eclipsa's most feared spells and the corruption that using them brings. (though does it affect Eclipsa herself? Maybe the corruption is a side-effect of not knowing how to use it properly) It's capable of destroying flesh that could otherwise regenerate and keeping it from doing so at all, spying though holes in space (The All-Seeing Eye has a purple tinge iirc; a mix of subversive black and summoning pink?) I could swear we've seen some other magical colours, though not sure what.
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Apr 10, 2018 11:25
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That's it, thought so. Control and willpower, maybe? Oh, further note; it's been clearly demonstrated that Moon is quite adept at wandless magic (though not as powerful as she was with it) and Star is even starting to get the hang of it, and both of them have a clear connection to the magic sea dimension to the point where they seem to instinctively seek it in butterfly form. However, Eclipsa said outright she lacks any skill with magic without the wand, and so far seems to have demonstrated as much. And Mina Loveberry also seems to have a butterfly super mode very similar to Star and Moon's; it may be that comes from a completely different power source than the wand itself. (or that, as mentioned by other Butterfly family members having cheek markings, just hanging around magic for long enough has some side effects) That said, Meteora's terrifying power comes from having a combination of demonic power and mewman royal family magic... On that note, it seems implied, especially since Star seemed more lucid when wading the stream of black oil, that black magic may be a form of anti-magic, which may go a ways to explaining its powers and traits; it breaks down magical processes, spells and defenses; it helped fend off the memory-draining nature of the golden sea. (Makes me think it might be a reference to the rivers of the Underworld) Which also might mean that, ironically, Toffee trying to turn the entire magic sea into black magic basically got himself killed, as it cancelled out his healing ability long enough that when the black goop holding him together wore off, he was completely unable to recover from being smashed to bits. Ghost Leviathan fucked around with this message at 13:07 on Apr 10, 2018 |
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My issue with Ludo is he doesn't really represent anything. Even when he "wins" he really just wants status quo, but him on top. I liked Toffee because it was clear he was after some sort of fundamental change; the power to him was still a means. To Ludo it's the ends, which frankly is sort of boring to me. It's like asking me if I wanted to be President. I mean, gently caress no. I'd do it so we bombed fewer civilians maybe, but I don't want it and much less for the power of it per se.
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Apr 10, 2018 14:50
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Ludo & Pony Head seem like they belong to an older, lamer version of the show.
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Apr 10, 2018 15:19
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Ludo is kind of important as the position he holds among the monsters; basically being the closest thing to nobility and a monster counterpart to the Mewni royals that isn't pretending to be something they're not like the Lucitors. The episode with Dennis reinforced his original theme that he is/was the closest thing to a real leader the monsters had, notable given it seems the monster king seen in the flashback to Moon's youth was probably overthrown or otherwise irrelevant and Toffee's army scattered to the winds when their main advantage was gone and they were faced with a queen who had demonstrated the ability to annihilate them with impunity. To expand on before, Ludo is still very much the opposite of Star in every way; she's strongly imaginative to the point where it fuels all her powerful spells but lacks much of an attention span or concentration to sit down and learn unless motivated; Ludo has next to no imagination (hence him seeking power purely for its own sake and his own validation of his ego, and also 'naming' his bird and spider) and doesn't care much to use magic broadly when he does get it, but when he gets a hold of a source of power, whether his animal minions or a couple of spells with his wand, he uses them as hard as he can and rather creatively in his own way. Probably not helping him seeming less relevant is Star's gone through a LOT of character development since, while Ludo, after initially becoming a hell of a lot more competent as well as crazier, didn't change too much afterwards, aside from Star getting through to him on outright telling him that being a tool of someone else is never what he wanted. Though his season 3 episode notably had him double down on the crazy while remaining surprisingly insightful; possibly, while Star is learning from other people and growing to better deal with them (going from fearing the Magical High Commission to shooing them out the room like misbehaving children, and basically connecting better with her mother than she has her entire life) he on the other hand is looking inward; first to confront his own parental issues that actually facing his parents probably isn't going to help any but rehash the same old story, then turned to his enemies... though how he plans to deal with those is another story and probably not good.
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Whiz Palace posted:Ludo & Pony Head seem like they belong to an older, lamer version of the show. Pony Head's been great in almost every episode this season that doesn't focus on her, and while Bam Ui Pati was a bit of a wet fart, Ponymonium was a lot better than it could've been
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Whiz Palace posted:Ludo & Pony Head seem like they belong to an older, lamer version of the show. I largely agree but I miss MonaLisa Saperstein so much I need Pony Head to stay.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I could swear we've seen some other magical colours, though not sure what. I'm reasonably sure Marco's magic color of choice is/will be red. It's also worth noting that Eclipsa's dark magic is purple-black, as opposed to Toffee's green-black.
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Apr 10, 2018 17:55
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Toffee also belonged to an older version of the show and yet his whole deal was a trillion times better so maybe that whole thing just loving sucked and suffered so they could have that pony head episode. Food for thought.
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Funny note about the pacing, seems like there's a recurring pattern that as soon as Star starts stepping up and taking her duties seriously, she gets a setback that makes them a hell of a lot harder. Not long after she starts taking her magic seriously, she loses Glossaryck and the spellbook, eventually permanently. When she starts taking her duties as a princess seriously, by the end of her season, the mother she ultimately relies on to run things- and has started to get along much better with- has disappeared, despite a rescue attempt. And now she's finally getting the hang of using her magic with direction and purpose, with and without her wand, she's given up the wand. (for a good reason, at least, even if she probably will regret it) (Of course, there's perfectly good reasons for that; it's been well established that a fully trained and capable Mewni royal with the wand is incredibly powerful, and would likely trivialise most potential threats, and make it hard to write the show. I mean hell, that's what Toffee and Ludo's entire plans hinged on; getting the wand from the princess while she's still vulnerable and unskilled)
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Apr 11, 2018 11:08
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that and as it turns out stories have complications similar to how you wouldn't tell the story of how you went to the grocery store, bought your groceries than returned home uneventfully.
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galenanorth posted:The stickied comment on each /r/StarVStheForcesofEvil/ episode discussion is usually very helpful Thank you, I never expected something good from a Reddit page for this show. So the finale! The fight between Meteora and Marco's team went on a bit long. Along with the Magic Dimension stuff, really could have been shortened as we've seen it before. I think I'm more interested in seeing how Eclipsa changes up the next season. But I still want more Earth, in particular Janna and Jackie Lynne joining in. Also, was Tom in a Fire Nation outfit?
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Apr 11, 2018 12:23
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Still that black velvet spell was cool AF
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i didn't realize it the other day whjen i watched, but i totally skipped over Divide. Conquer only loosely made sense on its own. I just watched them both tho, and yeah that was a fun finale. Globgor.
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