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Oh. My. God. We might actually to get to see the Yamato-class battleship vs. Iowa fight that never happened irl 
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RZApublican posted:Oh. My. God. We might actually to get to see the Yamato-class battleship vs. Iowa fight that never happened irl Jonathon Parshall suggests that the Iowa would most likely come out on top, mostly due to greater speed and fire control. But who knows?
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Apr 8, 2018 07:14
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Coucho Marx posted:Jonathon Parshall suggests that the Iowa would most likely come out on top, mostly due to greater speed and fire control. But who knows? He's probably right, although he doesn't account for another five battleships, the Kido Butai, and a new Unryu-class carrier 
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Apr 8, 2018 07:23
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Grey's success shows you what is possible when your SAG commanders take proper naps.
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Apr 8, 2018 08:26
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Should I start reading this from the beginning or should I just drop right in?
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Apr 8, 2018 11:23
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The AI wanted Grey to not feel bad for putting Katoris with front line SAGs and so decided to put the QE an an amphib TF with an LST to show that it could be worse.
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Apr 8, 2018 11:41
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Radio Free Kobold posted:Should I start reading this from the beginning or should I just drop right in? Start at the beginning. That's how I did his last L.P. Doing so will let you skip the slow days.
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Apr 8, 2018 13:27
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SINK THE QUEEN
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Apr 8, 2018 13:55
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Whoo! So how long likely to get the air groups up to full strength and refuel the combined fleet?
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Apr 8, 2018 18:11
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Coucho Marx posted:Jonathon Parshall suggests that the Iowa would most likely come out on top, mostly due to greater speed and fire control. But who knows? The Fire control would probably have it, much like in DK Browns 'Nelson to Vanguard' Brown had the Vanguard as being a credible threat due to the massively more potent fire control radars and computers. But as for the game though... Hope we get to see!
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Apr 8, 2018 18:32
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   Their ASW is getting better!  Erm, more info would be nice!  Well, this was never going to do anything was it.  Who's up for a second naval battle? I know I am!  Troop ships, yep, they are going to try and invade Rabaul once more.  Some of my bombers go on a suicide mission.   Time to send out the battleships!  A 250lb bomb at Saigon? That's really strange.
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Apr 8, 2018 18:36
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Grey Hunter posted:A 250lb bomb at Saigon? That's really strange. IIRC, aircraft on search or ASW missions carry their extended range loadout. LOTS of allied aircraft carry 250lbers as ER loads.
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Apr 8, 2018 19:08
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Oh please oh please oh please can we have another battleship surface brawl, this time including Iowa vs. Yamato.
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Apr 9, 2018 02:30
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Are the IJN surface ships even restocked with shells and torpedoes?
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Apr 9, 2018 03:21
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Lakedaimon posted:Are the IJN surface ships even restocked with shells and torpedoes? That would be the most GH thing ever. Sortie the entire goddamn fleet...with no ammo.
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Apr 9, 2018 03:37
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P2gWRTDOss I will accept a Yamato losing if it happens exactly like this.
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Apr 9, 2018 03:57
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Lakedaimon posted:Are the IJN surface ships even restocked with shells and torpedoes? Yeah, let's have the apocalypse AFTER resupply.
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Apr 9, 2018 03:57
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Shells meh, our superior elan will rule the waves.
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Apr 9, 2018 04:04
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Can't wait for the assessment that the US Navy needs to train its sailors in boarding and ramming tactics after this failed invasion of Rabaul.
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Apr 9, 2018 04:08
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Y'know what the hell would happen if an Iowa rammed a Yamato?
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Apr 9, 2018 04:26
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Danann posted:Can't wait for the assessment that the US Navy needs to train its sailors in boarding and ramming tactics after this failed invasion of Rabaul. The cutlass again becomes standard equipment for every sailor.
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Apr 9, 2018 04:29
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MA-Horus posted:That would be the most GH thing ever. Sortie the entire goddamn fleet...with no ammo.
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Apr 9, 2018 04:47
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Reuben Sandwich posted:Or run out of fuel. Weren't they already out of fuel?
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Apr 9, 2018 05:14
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Crazycryodude posted:Y'know what the hell would happen if an Iowa rammed a Yamato? The Iowa then executes the Yamato at point blank with its amazing guns, I just posted video evidence. 
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Apr 9, 2018 05:43
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Completely unrealistic, what would really happen is the secondary and AA guns start trading fire as Japanese marines with katanas attempt a boarding
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Apr 9, 2018 05:52
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wedgekree posted:Weren't they already out of fuel? Yes but they got better. However! This means that they have experience in fighting light. Obviously the only outcome possible will be our mighty forces letting the enemy ram us so we can then board and capture their ships, fuel AND troops. This is the best plan ever and anyone who says otherwise needs reeducation in Burma or Chunking
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Apr 9, 2018 07:11
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Does the game even model it taking longer than one or two days to replenish a task force taking it's size into account? Given the way it treats supplies as everything else this seems like the kind of thing it would ignore.
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Apr 9, 2018 08:40
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RZApublican posted:Given the way it treats supplies as everything else this seems like the kind of thing it would ignore. Don't think this way. This game models certain things to utterly tedious levels of detail and others are completely abstract, there is no rhyme or reason to which is which.
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Apr 9, 2018 09:05
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RZApublican posted:Does the game even model it taking longer than one or two days to replenish a task force taking it's size into account? Given the way it treats supplies as everything else this seems like the kind of thing it would ignore. Does it make you keep track of what sort of shells you're loading up into the turrets? If so do you have to manually switch the loadouts before an engagement (such as switching to HE for shore bombardment or AP if going to get into a surface engagement)?
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Apr 9, 2018 09:12
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As far as I know all task forces are replenished in one day. Shells are tracked by gun, but don't come in AP or HE flavor.
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Apr 9, 2018 10:50
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Replenishment of both ammo and fuel takes "ops points". Each ship gets 1000 ops points per day. At least for the biggest carriers with a lot of "sorties" (bombs and avgas) replenishing both fuel and sorties if both are low takes 2 days. I'm not sure if the same is true for big BBs, but I assume that the load cost of the ammo is in the calculation somewhere.
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Apr 9, 2018 11:13
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A big BB force can sometimes take more than one day to replenish ammo.
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Apr 9, 2018 13:46
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Night10194 posted:The Iowa then executes the Yamato at point blank with its amazing guns, I just posted video evidence. Fair enough. What if the Queen Elisabeth rammed a Yamato?
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Apr 9, 2018 14:23
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CannonFodder posted:Fair enough. The QE comes out worse in that collision, probably.
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Apr 9, 2018 14:53
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A port also has a certain limit on ops points it can spend in total in a single day. So if you bring enough ships in need of fuel and ammo you can easily make resupply a 2-3 day adventure (usually this is only really noticeable on the allied side, as the japanese solves the issue by running out of ships)
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Apr 9, 2018 16:22
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In short: yeah there’s a pretty decent chance that the battleships being sent out have less than full ammo but it’s hard to say.
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Apr 9, 2018 16:56
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Crazycryodude posted:Y'know what the hell would happen if an Iowa rammed a Yamato? They'd both be hosed in all kinds of ways? Like, pretty sure you'd see deformed keels and massive flooding for both at a minimum.
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Apr 9, 2018 17:06
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Magni posted:They'd both be hosed in all kinds of ways? Like, pretty sure you'd see deformed keels and massive flooding for both at a minimum. So, Allied fire control to save the day?
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Apr 9, 2018 17:28
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Omobono posted:So, Allied fire control to save the day? I know what you meant but that would be 'damage control', 'fire control' is tracking shots and calculating aim etc. The IJN wasn't terribly good at either... the Allies had *vastly* superior radar and fire control computers and the Japanese forms of damage control was pretty much 'We can put this fire out by crushing it under the weight of oxygen and fuel!'.
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That's not fair to IJN DC. The doctrine of the IJN involved highly specialized damage control experts, much like most other navies. IJN DC did a good job with Zuikaku. The problem is when the experts die, or are isolated in another area of the ship, it's hard to recover. The USN made a religion of damage control and trained everyone all the time on a wide variety of damage control procedures and was uniquely good at DC. Taiho was incompetence crossed with bad design.
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