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bundle it in to the MS update that the rest of the office suite uses? gently caress that, we're special and want something that sucks rear end
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five loving background helper processes and none of them can figure out the complex task of swapping out an app in %user%\Applications. This is quite the stumper.
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Apr 9, 2018 16:12
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:bundle it in to the MS update that the rest of the office suite uses? ... that nothing else anywhere uses, because we're special snowflakes and can't use the app store
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Apr 9, 2018 16:27
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My windows insider build updated and “swapped” the bootloader or drive letters or something and broke the whole install.
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Apr 9, 2018 16:29
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infernal machines posted:... that nothing else anywhere uses, because we're special snowflakes and can't use the app store at least it loving WORKS
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Partycat posted:My windows insider build updated and “swapped” the bootloader or drive letters or something and broke the whole install. why are you spending your time beta testing what is at best alpha software?
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Apr 9, 2018 16:41
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:at least it loving WORKS do you remember the office 2011 version that used to pop up a dialog telling you to manually browse to a url to download an update component, or it wouldn't work, but then if you just ignored it, it worked anyway? good stuff.
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Apr 9, 2018 16:44
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discord ui is still slow. it's also padded to poo poo and wastes a huge amount of screen real estate because Every UI Must Be Designed For Cellphones. mattermost is ok although it's kind of threadbare. but at least its web front end is responsive and it's self-hosted.
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Apr 9, 2018 18:05
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:I am a big fan of MS's inability to figure out an update mechanism for Teams on Mac that actually works so every time it attempts to silently background update and fails it just closes the app and doesn't re-launch and you have no idea until you start getting the nag emails about missed messages. I've had like 3 support tickets open for it now and every time they fix it for one build and then break it again a month later they should really rewrite it in something native instead of pissing around with nodejs based garbage
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Apr 9, 2018 18:17
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:bundle it in to the MS update that the rest of the office suite uses? gently caress that, we're special and want something that sucks rear end office shouldn't have it own updater either, they should just use the store or windows update.
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Apr 9, 2018 18:18
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Shaggar posted:office shouldn't have it own updater either, they should just use the store or windows update. they should, but they've already re-invented the wheel once and it mostly works. instead they did it a second time. Michaelsoft.
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the nodejs teams client should be aborted and replaced with a xamarin app. there are so many things it cant do cause it uses some comical web based garbage instead of a real ui framework.
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:I am a big fan of MS's inability to figure out an update mechanism for Teams on Mac that actually works so every time it attempts to silently background update and fails it just closes the app and doesn't re-launch and you have no idea until you start getting the nag emails about missed messages. I've had like 3 support tickets open for it now and every time they fix it for one build and then break it again a month later tomorrow, microsoft will have known about this bug for exactly one calendar year https://microsoftteams.uservoice.com/forums/555103-public/suggestions/18894271-stuck-in-a-login-loop-after-password-change 
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Apr 9, 2018 18:53
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Shaggar posted:office shouldn't have it own updater either, they should just use the store or windows update.  but if they try Magrethe Vestager will give them fines for integrating their products
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Apr 9, 2018 18:54
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idk who that is
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Apr 9, 2018 18:55
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European commissar of giving big companies fines for being anticompetitive
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Apr 9, 2018 18:56
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oh. yeah the EC is all protectionist losers
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Apr 9, 2018 18:57
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Shaggar posted:oh. yeah the EC is all protectionist losers That explains why they aren't going after Microsoft any more
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Shaggar posted:protectionist losers  
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at this point is any microsoft product actually using microsoft update? app store, office, visual studio, skype, teams, etc all got separate special snowflake updaters it took visual studio one year to figure out automatic updates
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Apr 10, 2018 04:29
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SupSuper posted:at this point is any microsoft product actually using microsoft update? app store, office, visual studio, skype, teams, etc all got separate special snowflake updaters It's a giant loving mess and a legacy of Microsoft's "gently caress you, we'll write it ourselves" internal culture. That having been said, Windows installer is awful, Wix is awful, and Rob Mensching should be buried under wxs printouts and burned alive.
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SupSuper posted:at this point is any microsoft product actually using microsoft update? app store, office, visual studio, skype, teams, etc all got separate special snowflake updaters I’m not super up to date but last I used vs installer it felt like two maybe three installer/downloaders Frankensteined together
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Apr 10, 2018 06:09
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The VS2017 installer is a standalone app that will always download and install updates for itself first before allowing you to proceed to installing VS. This results in a weird installation experience.
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Apr 10, 2018 06:31
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wait my installer which I have just downloaded needs updates?? 
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Apr 10, 2018 06:50
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Actually on the very first run the installer will download and install itself first. The ~1.5 mb file you download is just a bootstrapper installer. That's right, there's a separate installer for the installer.
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MS Russian Nesting Doll Installer
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Boiled Water posted:MS Russian Nesting Doll Installer it’s matryoshka
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cinci zoo sniper posted:it’s matryoshka Keygen chip-tune intensifies
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Boiled Water posted:I’m not super up to date but last I used vs installer it felt like two maybe three installer/downloaders Frankensteined together and yes the installer has its own updates this is the price we pay for a lightweight installation (still stuck on drive C: though) 
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Apr 10, 2018 07:32
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SupSuper posted:this is the price we pay for a lightweight installation (still stuck on drive C: though) The motivation for the goofy standalone Visual Studio Installer application is moreso to allow managing multiple side-by-side installations than it is to allow the lightweight installation.
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if you open visual studio and it has updates, it'll open the visual studio installer. if the visual studio installer needs updates, it'll tell you that it needs to apply updates to visual studio installer, and after those updates are installed, you can update visual studio.SupSuper posted:at this point is any microsoft product actually using microsoft update? app store, office, visual studio, skype, teams, etc all got separate special snowflake updaters
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anthonypants posted:if you open visual studio and it has updates, it'll open the visual studio installer. if the visual studio installer needs updates, it'll tell you that it needs to apply updates to visual studio installer, and after those updates are installed, you can update visual studio. does it also tell you you need to close visual studio before you can update?
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remember to reboot before/during/after each update 
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you can’t even update sql server management studio. it just pops up a notice saying there’s and update and if you click it you’re just sent to a download page on Microsoft’s website
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SupSuper posted:at this point is any microsoft product actually using microsoft update? app store, office, visual studio, skype, teams, etc all got separate special snowflake updaters the VS Installer condenses a bunch of other installers. if you're an MS product that's shipping in it, with some exceptions, you have to get rid of your products own internal installer and use the VS one instead. that helps with consistency of where to expect updates I guess, but that leads to other poo poo. you can't ship updates outside of VS service releases. say you're Xamarin, and Xcode 9.3 launches on Mac. you have a day one update to support it. can't ship it because it needs to go out in a service release, and VS can't ship on time. can't ship the updated VS For Mac release because if you do that'll break VS users who can't get it yet. users update to 9.3 on their Macs, now they can't build iOS apps in VS,  there's also "alpha packs" too that are meant to get around the above issue. VSIXs that let you install and uninstall "unsupported" extension updates for workloads bundled in the installer. those were hilariously broken, where if you built one that included references to "shipping" vsixs (ones that were shipping in that release), they would install fine, but if uninstalled it would get rid of those shipping extensions too, breaking the workload and (most likely) breaking VS until you repair it. that's fixed in 15.7
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the biggest problem with software update systems is not how complicated it is, but how simple it seems to be
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:the biggest problem with software update systems is not how complicated it is, but how poo poo it seems to be
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NEED MORE MILK posted:you can’t even update sql server management studio. it just pops up a notice saying there’s and update and if you click it you’re just sent to a download page on Microsoft’s website Note that SSMS is maintained by ~2 orders of magnitude fewer people than VS.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:the biggest problem with software systems is not how complicated they are, but how simple they seem to be
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Fiedler posted:Note that SSMS is maintained by ~2 orders of magnitude fewer people than VS.
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