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evilweasel posted:this was the US Attorney, a federal official, which is why the FBI executed the search warrant Oh, drat my mistake.
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I hope the term "infrastructure week" becomes the new nomenclature for the actions of hilarious competence in leadership. Sort of like got -gate became attached to everything after Watergate combined with an aristocrats joke.
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The Glumslinger posted:I wonder what else they found I'm guessing tax stuff
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https://twitter.com/albamonica/status/983438779632537600 Cohen's attorney confirming it happened
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Gonna be fun when they say they can't perticipate in discovery during the Daniels litigation b/c Meuller took all the docs
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evilweasel posted:i'm not sure, but I think that to get a warrant for a lawyer that authorizes seizing client communications you need a pretty strong showing that the lawyer is engaged in criminal conduct with that client, because breaching attorney-client privilege is hard loving work and I don't think any judge is going to idly sign off on a general warrant for a lawyer without being very specific about what potential privileged communications you can seize and having been given a very good reason why Am I reading too much into it being a full fledged "FBI agents knocking on the door" search instead of merely a subpoena? Seems like the former would be much more risky as your agents would be exposed to all sorts of truly privileged documents which would increase the ability of the Cohen to get the evidence tossed. Seems either like a strong arm "you really should cooperate" from Mueller or they don't trust him to actually turn over stuff if a court says he has to.
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quote:Rep. Beto O’Rourke (D-TX) was asked by host Chad Hasty of KFYO-AM in Lubbock whether he has seen enough evidence thus far to support a hypothetical impeachment of the president. Bold move.
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:Somehow all his case files were on the 50th floor a couple days ago in a coincidental mix-up. apparently the fire was in the home of a reclusive art dealer in declining health who wanted to move out of trump tower but couldn't because there were no buyers https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/08/nyregion/trump-tower-fire-art-collector.html quote:Todd Brassner, who died in a fire at Trump Tower on Saturday, loved fast cars, electric guitars, expensive watches and making long, erudite pronouncements about art and art history. He was an art dealer with health problems and a 2015 bankruptcy that listed his apartment as the location of more than $3 million worth of artwork and other collectibles, including a 1975 portrait of Mr. Brassner painted by Andy Warhol.
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evilweasel posted:uh no I would assume that the desire only works when there's an inhibitor to applying, making each application more valuable. Having a free for all would presumably have led to a website where I can apply for 100 colleges all at once with one application, and I also get both a free yahoo account and a subscription to Cosmo.
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Oh man. They are all so hosed.
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WeAreTheRomans posted:lol at paying to apply to college. every SINGLE day I am amazed by some American bullshit  But I'm American living in Americaland.
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Press: "Mr. Trump did you know about the payments to Miss Daniels made by your lawyer" Trump: "No. You'll have to ask mr. Cohen himself" FBI: "ok"
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moostaffa posted:I'm guessing tax stuff Trump will try the "I'm being audited so I can't present my tax records until it's done" defense here, too. 
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Shifty Pony posted:Am I reading too much into it being a full fledged "FBI agents knocking on the door" search instead of merely a subpoena? Seems like the former would be much more risky as your agents would be exposed to all sorts of truly privileged documents which would increase the ability of the Cohen to get the evidence tossed. Would you trust Michael Cohen to turn over documents?
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Shifty Pony posted:Am I reading too much into it being a full fledged "FBI agents knocking on the door" search instead of merely a subpoena? Seems like the former would be much more risky as your agents would be exposed to all sorts of truly privileged documents which would increase the ability of the Cohen to get the evidence tossed. you have a special privilege team of people not on the main investigation, it's specifically laid out in the DOJ requirements (which are no joke). and yes, they had to satisfy themselves a subpoena wouldn't do it: quote:In order to avoid impinging on valid attorney-client relationships, prosecutors are expected to take the least intrusive approach consistent with vigorous and effective law enforcement when evidence is sought from an attorney actively engaged in the practice of law. Consideration should be given to obtaining information from other sources or through the use of a subpoena, unless such efforts could compromise the criminal investigation or prosecution, or could result in the obstruction or destruction of evidence, or would otherwise be ineffective. the DOJ requirements in that popehat thing are really loving comprehensive and make clear how big a deal this is (https://www.justice.gov/usam/usam-9-13000-obtaining-evidence ctrl-f for "420")
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https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/status/983439280587538432 I think today is good.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/status/983439280587538432  
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:This is America, bucko The context (I might gently caress up the details a bit since it's been a decade since I read this): It's near the end of WWII in Europe. You're reading through the perspective of a European worman when she has a brief aside people watching and considers an American, Marvy, conduct business with a prostitute, Monika. quote:She watches Marvy's face as he pays Monika, watches him in this primal American act, paying, more deeply himself than when coming, or asleep, or maybe even dying.
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Zachack posted:I would assume that the desire only works when there's an inhibitor to applying, making each application more valuable. Having a free for all would presumably have led to a website where I can apply for 100 colleges all at once with one application, and I also get both a free yahoo account and a subscription to Cosmo. as long as the application counts for the purposes of US News statistics, they want it the countervailing issue is how many accepted people attend is also a US News statistic, which gives them a desire to be able to figure out who is serious about coming to the school those rankings are no joke and colleges want to game them as hard as they can without the magizine cottoning onto how they do it
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evilweasel posted:the DOJ requirements in that popehat thing are really loving comprehensive and make clear how big a deal this is (https://www.justice.gov/usam/usam-9-13000-obtaining-evidence ctrl-f for "420") ctrl-f
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Shifty Pony posted:Am I reading too much into it being a full fledged "FBI agents knocking on the door" search instead of merely a subpoena? Seems like the former would be much more risky as your agents would be exposed to all sorts of truly privileged documents which would increase the ability of the Cohen to get the evidence tossed. If anything, you’re not reading enough into it. Search warrant by the FBI means you’re going about your business. You get a knock on the door and it’s a guy in the a suit holding up a badge in one hand and a piece of paper in the other saying “This is the FBI. We are executing a search warrant. Here’s he warrant.” Then a train of FBI agents rolls in and starts taking everything not nailed down from files to computers to notebooks. They will open safes if they know you have one. For Manafort, they were literally photographing his entire collection of suits.
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canepazzo posted:Press: "Mr. Trump did you know about the payments to Miss Daniels made by your lawyer"
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Sydney Bottocks posted:Trump will try the "I'm being audited so I can't present my tax records until it's done" defense here, too. At this point he should just say the FBI took the only copy he had.
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If Cohen had files relating to Trump/Mueller, does that change anything? Could privilege be affected if the lawyer is a criminal?
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moostaffa posted:I'm guessing tax stuff i would suspect that's not the case, not least because trump isn't going to give his taxes to his probably functionally illiterate goon he uses to strong-arm women. you use a guy who can hold numbers of more than two digits in his head for that, taxes are hard
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boner confessor posted:apparently the fire was in the home of a reclusive art dealer in declining health who wanted to move out of trump tower but couldn't because there were no buyers Wonder if he kicked over the lamp
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Your Taint posted:If Cohen had files relating to Trump/Mueller, does that change anything? Could privilege be affected if the lawyer is a criminal? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attorney%E2%80%93client_privilege#When_the_privilege_may_not_apply
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moostaffa posted:I'm guessing tax stuff Yeah that, money laundering, hinky foreign connections poo poo, gotta be something else there one would hope. Or it could just be a whole boatload of payoffs to other women in addition to Daniels, or payoffs for other, non cheating on your wife reasons.
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Trump isn't even gonna know about the raid for a while. It's not gonna be on Fox
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They raided his hotel room as well https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/983440250713313282
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/status/983439280587538432 I'm keeping my expectations managed, but anything that causes Trump to squirm, flail, and compound on his mistakes is A Good Thing. Up to a point of course.
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ReidRansom posted:Yeah that, money laundering, hinky foreign connections poo poo, gotta be something else there one would hope. Or it could just be a whole boatload of payoffs to other women in addition to Daniels, or payoffs for other, non cheating on your wife reasons. iirc there are rumors trump has mob ties and that cohen is one of the big links there, which would be my guess would also be the sort of thing that would be definitively outside mueller's authority but he might stumble upon and would be a big enough deal for the fbi/us attorney to go full barrel at it even though it's the president
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/status/983439280587538432 Trump is going to at least try to throw Cohen under the bus and back it over him 10 or 20 times.
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In honor of the Cohen / Trump Tower Raid, I'm attempting to make some curry tonight. Here's my available ingredients: - Chicken, cubed - Premade coconut/korma curry sauce for a base - Yellow onions - Bell pepper - Squash - Pablano pepper - Habanero pepper - Extra coconut milk - Garlic - Jasmine rice My gameplan: Cook the veggies over some olive oil until they're not crispy, then add the curry sauce base. Brown the chicken in separate pan for 6 minutes, then add to the sauce/veggies. Simmer the whole drat thing for 15 more minutes, tasting for heat and titrate the habanero in as required. I haven't cooked raw chicken in the last 10 years. Everything else I think should be difficult to gently caress up. Any tips/suggestions?
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:They raided his hotel room as well drat. That FBI ship is air tight. We just found out about it now and they were searching the room this morning. 
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Koalas March posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attorney%E2%80%93client_privilege#When_the_privilege_may_not_apply 
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Jumping out of the shadows to say that this is turning into my favorite infrastructure week, yet. I'm going to have a nice cold beer tonight to celebrate.
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Caros posted:Would you trust Michael Cohen to turn over documents? No, but there's a difference between my distrust and a Judge approving a breach of one of the most sacrosanct principles in the US legal system. evilweasel posted:you have a special privilege team of people not on the main investigation, it's specifically laid out in the DOJ requirements (which are no joke). and yes, they had to satisfy themselves a subpoena wouldn't do it: Lol Trump delayed nominating anyone to the Assistant Attorney General for the Criminal Division until June, and Dems have so slow walked confirmations that to a career DoJ lawyer is manning the position and is likely the one who approved the search.
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