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RandomFerret posted:Maybe that's because Sauron's powers were weak or whatever, but I think it's just because Bilbo didn't know it was anything special. It was just one part of this crazy adventure he went on, and there were so many more important things happening with kings and dragons and wizards that the ring was just a funny little souvenir. I think the books do allude to it being more about Sauron--at the time Bilbo used the ring Sauron still had no idea that it had been recovered. After Gollum spilled his guts in captivity Sauron started looking for it and calling to it, and then its hold tightens. Bilbo owned it for decades without it having any real power over him, but he puts it on for a few seconds for a disappearing trick at his party and starts getting super possessive.
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The elvish theme in lothlorien is the Mordor theme in a major key, emphasizing how the Mordor minor key is a perversion of goodness.
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Apr 9, 2018 18:36
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Sauron is waiting for the ring to make itself known, and the ring was also waiting for Sauron to gain enough power to take over. So from both ends the ring/Sauron have no reason to gently caress with Bilbo during those years that he carried it. They were biding their time. The ring is really smart, it knows that hobbits are actually incredibly resilient, and tries to find it's way into the hands of Boromir right away as soon as it has a chance. Men are easily corruptible. So having it in the hands of Bilbo all those years was a safe option, but at the beginning of LOTR it had decided that it was go time and a hobbit wasn't going to cut it anymore. Easiest way to get back to Sauron is just to corrupt a man and let him do all the work from there.
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Apr 9, 2018 19:16
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One of my favorite production stories is that the actor playing Theoden said that his armor had this really elaborate pattern inside where no one but him could see it, and costuming said that that was on purpose to make him feel more kingly as a character
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Apr 9, 2018 19:17
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I loved that Sam was the Best Boy - basically totally uncorrupted throughout the whole trilogy, and the heart of the whole journey. The Ring likely didn't bother with him due to underestimating him, but it's still impressive. I especially liked "I can't carry your burdens for you Master Frodo... but I can carry you!" He was consistently awesome. 
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Apr 9, 2018 19:25
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In the book the Ring tries to tempt him and Sam nosells it harder than a door to door vacuum salesman
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Apr 9, 2018 19:29
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You could argue that Sam was maybe THE most important bit of casting in the entire trilogy. Maybe second-most important right after Gandalf. Because the character could easily become annoyingly saccharine, it had to be played with absolute genuineness at all times. So it's no surprise they tapped Rudy for a role like that, and he really did carry the climax, and therefore the trilogy itself, on his shoulders both literally and figuratively.
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Apr 9, 2018 19:35
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Black August posted:In the book the Ring tries to tempt him and Sam nosells it harder than a door to door vacuum salesman Yeah it’s great. It tempts him with power and dominion and he’s just like ‘No thanks I want a little garden and a cozy home with a cute hobbit girl.’ It’s fairly easy to do a Marxist reading of the Lord of the Rings where the working class are the truly virtuous and the nobility - among which are Frodo and Bilbo, though they are only noble hobbits - alone possess the true capacity for sin on a grand scale.
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Apr 9, 2018 19:56
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Didn't Tolkien say that he considered Sam the main character of the trilogy? Jackson sure as poo poo wrote it that way.
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Apr 9, 2018 20:05
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Christopher Lee said Sam was the main character.
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Apr 9, 2018 20:07
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Arcsquad12 posted:Christopher Lee said Sam was the main character. Christopher Lee also told Peter Jackson that the sound effect they were using for Wormtongue stabbing Saruman in the back was incorrect and should be quieter.
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Apr 9, 2018 20:09
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I loving love how everyone's surprised that the sallow, sinister acting man named GRIMA WORMTONGUE is secretly evil.
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Apr 9, 2018 20:18
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Rough Lobster posted:I loving love how everyone's surprised that the sallow, sinister acting man named GRIMA WORMTONGUE is secretly evil. Everyone except Theoden already knows he's evil, they're the ones who gave him the nickname "wormtongue." But he's got the king's favor and the king's trust so he's untouchable.
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Apr 9, 2018 20:21
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Rough Lobster posted:I loving love how everyone's surprised that the sallow, sinister acting man named GRIMA WORMTONGUE is secretly evil. They knew he was evil, they just couldn't do anything about it because he controlled Théoden. Like for example, how Eomer gets immediately banished as soon as he draws his line in the sand.
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Apr 9, 2018 20:22
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What's great about Samwise, one of the things the ring showed him when glory and honor didn't take, was that he would have a massive garden all to him self and be the greatest Gardner ever.
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Apr 9, 2018 20:41
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Also he wasn't always evil. "Wormtongue" is an addition, like a nickname, which came about after he took Theoden. Before Saurman poisoned him he was just Grima, the grungy weak dude who was in every other respect a decent servant.
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Apr 9, 2018 20:41
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My favourite production stories are that in the final battle with Lurtz in Fellowship the knife thrown at Aragorn wasn't supposed to be actually thrown so Viggo Mortensen really did chop a knife out of the air. Also when Aragorn kicks the helmet at the start of The Two Towers and yells thinking Merry and Pippin are dead Viggo Mortensen was yelling cos he broke his toe but channeled it into an awesome performance they kept in.
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VanSandman posted:Yeah it’s great. It tempts him with power and dominion and he’s just like ‘No thanks I want a little garden and a cozy home with a cute hobbit girl.’ I was curious so I looked up the actual bit in the book. quote:As he stood there, even though the Ring was not on him but hanging by its chain about his neck, he felt himself enlarged, as if he were robed in a huge distorted shadow of himself, and vast and ominous threat halted upon the walls of Mordor. He felt that he had from now on only two choices: to forbear the Ring, though it would torment him; or to claim it, and challenge the Power that sat in its dark hold beyond the valley of shadows. For content about an equally groundbreaking movie, much of The Emoji Movie can be seen pretty easily as an allegory for suppression of homosexuality and gay conversion and coming out and stuff; at one point the hacker character looks up the main kid's birthday which is October 10th 2002, which coincides with National Coming Out Day and the fifteenth anniversary of the first public display of AIDS Memorial Quilt in Washington DC. Also, Gene's dad says "we'll always have Paris" which sounds like a random pop culture remark, but it is pretty fitting because both him and Rick from Casablanca are characters that appear to be completely neutral but actually have strong emotions and sentimentality that they keep hidden. Yes I'm putting spoiler tags for the emoji movie and yes I thought about it more than I should've.
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Apr 9, 2018 22:01
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what r ur opinions on the goofy movie?
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Pook Good Mook posted:Didn't Tolkien say that he considered Sam the main character of the trilogy? Jackson sure as poo poo wrote it that way.
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Apr 9, 2018 22:13
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EmmyOk posted:what r ur opinions on the goofy movie? It's about society's resistance to acknowledge the existence of Bigfoot (I was really drunk when I watched the emoji movie and I thought it would be funny if I wrote an SMG-level analysis of it but then when I got sober I realized it was actually not a good idea)
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EmmyOk posted:what r ur opinions on the goofy movie? This comment implies that A Goofy Movie--an excellent film that gives a gag character one of the most interesting and realistic relationships depicted in a Disney movie, and also features some excellent 90s pop pastiches--is embarrassing/childish/not-worth-discussing in a way that's comparable to...The Emoji Movie. I do not appreciate it.
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VanSandman posted:Yeah its great. It tempts him with power and dominion and hes just like No thanks I want a little garden and a cozy home with a cute hobbit girl. A Marxist reading doesn't hold up, IMO. The working class being a source of nobility is much more in line with Tolkein's Catholicism. "The meek shall inherit the earth." kind of vibe. The centerpiece of the ending is Aragorn being crowned as the One True King. He even finds a seedling of the White Tree in a symbolic mandate of heaven.
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A Goofy Movie is one of those films that's actually kinda hard for me to go back and watch. Just watching Goofy just get hurt so bad is tough to watch.
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Apr 10, 2018 00:57
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A Goofy Movie is rad and Powerline is rad fight me.
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Apr 10, 2018 01:42
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Just rewatching Beverly Hills Cop. The first time you see Axel pull up to his house, he doesn't just pull up. He mounts the kerb slightly then does a U-turn, ending up perfectly parked on the opposite side of the street. It's the sort of thing you'd only do if you knew the car and the street. I love it when films go the extra mile to convey things non-verbally.
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Apr 10, 2018 01:57
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Goofy movie is good. Dads be cool to your kids. Kids be cool to your dads. Namiste.
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EmmyOk posted:what r ur opinions on the goofy movie? I stopped reading the animated movie thread in CD to avoid Goofy Movie essays, plz no.
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EmmyOk posted:My favourite production stories are that in the final battle with Lurtz in Fellowship the knife thrown at Aragorn wasn't supposed to be actually thrown so Viggo Mortensen really did chop a knife out of the air. Also when Aragorn kicks the helmet at the start of The Two Towers and yells thinking Merry and Pippin are dead Viggo Mortensen was yelling cos he broke his toe but channeled it into an awesome performance they kept in. I remember reading that the sword trainer or whatever said Mortensen was the most gifted swordsman he'd ever known. He seems like a top notch dude who loves a joke too - in the wedding they filmed for Sam at the end of ROTK he showed up to help Sam get in character, then made out with Pippin. Amazing.
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Slavic Crime Yacht posted:I remember reading that the sword trainer or whatever said Mortensen was the most gifted swordsman he'd ever known. He seems like a top notch dude who loves a joke too - in the wedding they filmed for Sam at the end of ROTK he showed up to help Sam get in character, then made out with Pippin. Amazing. One of my favorite things from the behind-the-scenes stuff is not only did he buy his horse from the film, he bought the horse Arwen's stunt rider used and gave it to her because she couldn't afford it on her own. He would also carry his sword everywhere, including to go out drinking with the hobbit actors and Orlando Bloom.
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Apr 11, 2018 06:02
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Viggo Mortensen is good as hell. loving fantastic in A History of Violence.
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Memento posted:Viggo Mortensen is good as hell. loving fantastic in everything he's been in Tell me I'm wrong.
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Apr 11, 2018 06:50
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Hidalgo
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Apr 11, 2018 06:52
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I haven't seen that one so I can't comment.
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Apr 11, 2018 09:44
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Imagine if we got Stuart Townsend as Aragorn instead. Imagine! And people say this is the worst timeline.
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Memento posted:Viggo Mortensen is good as hell. loving fantastic in A History of Violence. Eastern Promises. That fight scene 
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oldpainless posted:Hidalgo It'll probably turn out he found and tamed a wild horse himself before filming
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Viggo is excellent in Hidalgo, doesn't mean the movie around him is up to the same level. And yes, I believe he also bought that horse at the end of shooting. He's also great in The Road.
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Apr 11, 2018 14:44
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At the end of The Road, he bought the road
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I don't know what you're talking about, Hidalgo is great beyond viggo. It has Omar Sharif for goodness sake.
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