April Cat Thread: Rise From Your Grave

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cheetah7071: Oct 20, 2010; honk honk; College Slice

Closed-Down Pizza Parlor posted:

I didn't know it was possible to want something this bad

$170 for the moving picture version...

# ? Apr 10, 2018 00:41

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# ? Jun 10, 2024 22:28

LawfulWaffle: Mar 11, 2014; Well, that aligns with the vibes I was getting. Which was, like, "normal" kinda vibes.

Mordja posted:

Discussion prompt: how do you play video games? Do you play them one at a time, or do you have multiple going at once?

I have a pretty big problem when it comes to dabbling in games, because it'll make me lose momentum in whatever I was playing before and then I'll stop playing the game I dabbled in, leaving me in a void. I've been better about focusing on one game at time, or at least one big title per console at a time. I recently beat The Surge and beat Mario Odyssey last night, so I'm kind of moving on to smaller titles like Golf Story, Mighty Gunvolt Burst, and Crossing Souls, before looking over my backlog for another big title to knock out. I started Ni No Kuni 2 but my wife showed some interest in the game so I save that for when she's around, but I don't know how well that will work in the long run.

# ? Apr 10, 2018 00:52

cheetah7071: Oct 20, 2010; honk honk; College Slice

Speaking of Myst, are there any good Myst-likes out there? Not counting Obduction which I've already played.

# ? Apr 10, 2018 00:58

I said come in!: Jun 22, 2004

Mordja posted:

Discussion prompt: how do you play video games? Do you play them one at a time, or do you have multiple going at once?

I usually have multiple going at once, but I sometimes get frustrated with this and try to just focus on one game at a time.

# ? Apr 10, 2018 01:39

Motto: Aug 3, 2013

babypolis posted:

people talk about how the plot of 2 was so prophetic and whatnot but the game gets it completely wrong. in it the bad guys want to control information by centralizing it, which is basically impossible. modern propaganda actually works in the opposite way by forming decentralized internet communities with their own twisted worldviews that become impervious that all different views and facts

They outline exactly that as the course information society will take if humanity is left to its own devices though.

e: not to say kojima's writing is deep or perceptive, since one it's generally clunky as all hell and two it's just a cludge of whatever books and movies he liked recently. Nothing wrong with that, but he's entirely expressing existing ideas and aesthetics he likes in a pop medium.

Motto fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Apr 10, 2018

# ? Apr 10, 2018 01:40

Accordion Man: Nov 7, 2012; Buglord

Yeah, The Patriots were actually trying to prevent the rise of fake news and Internet bubbles.

# ? Apr 10, 2018 01:53

oddium: Feb 21, 2006; end of the 4.5 tatami age

they should have tried to prevent the literal rise of a nuclear warhead fired by ocelot at whatever one the satellite was. gw maybe

# ? Apr 10, 2018 01:58

Jay Rust: Sep 27, 2011

Asinine ideas conveyed poorly

# ? Apr 10, 2018 02:03

Viewtiful Jew: Apr 21, 2007; Mench'n-a-go-go-baby!

Poops Mcgoots posted:

Today I saw gameplay of that new Spiderman game and it gave me serious Spiderman 2 vibes.

However:

https://twitter.com/CosmicEmerald/status/981567780033105920

# ? Apr 10, 2018 02:09

Fur20: Nov 14, 2007; すご▞い！
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね！

I went looking for battle spritesheets of Bart from Xenogears but instead I found this

# ? Apr 10, 2018 02:10

The Colonel: Jun 8, 2013; I commute by bike!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IY5mBERhSDg

# ? Apr 10, 2018 02:16

Looper: Mar 1, 2012

The White Dragon posted:

I went looking for battle spritesheets of Bart from Xenogears but instead I found this

I've never played Xenogears but that's a bad look, i think

# ? Apr 10, 2018 03:09

homeless snail: Mar 14, 2007

Looper posted:

I've never played Xenogears but that's a bad look, i think

yeah, cause everyone knows its barts right eye that has the patch

# ? Apr 10, 2018 03:11

Jay Rust: Sep 27, 2011

He�s so orange

# ? Apr 10, 2018 03:12

The Colonel: Jun 8, 2013; I commute by bike!

Jay Rust posted:

He�s so orange

he's from the desert

# ? Apr 10, 2018 03:19

Taintrunner: Apr 10, 2017; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

babypolis posted:

his writing is nonsense. sometimes its fun nonsense, like in mgs 1 and 3, and sometimes its boring bad nonsense, like mgs 2 and 4

people talk about how the plot of 2 was so prophetic and whatnot but the game gets it completely wrong. in it the bad guys want to control information by centralizing it, which is basically impossible. modern propaganda actually works in the opposite way by forming decentralized internet communities with their own twisted worldviews that become impervious that all different views and facts

The end of MGS2 very specifically states their plan is not about controlling content, but creating context. Consider the recent slaughter in Palestine - IDF snipers blasting unarmed protestors, some of them children, and how it is filtered through American news outlets such as the NYT as a �clash,� because, you know, being shot at from hundreds of yards away is the furthest thing from a clash. This should be obvious, and yet, the context is created which makes the information entirely untrue.

You�re also posting this on a dying message board as discourse is centralized to a limited few privately owned social media platforms that directly collaborate the government and various intelligence agencies.

As far as �nonsense,� think about the surreal onslaught of news consumed at such a rapid pace in our modern era. It�s actively too much for one person to keep up with and is filled with so many conflicting and inconsistent narratives and characters whilst possessing a surrealness that is impossible to truly comprehend in its entirety.

What Metal Gear Solid 2 makes clear in its entirety between the mix of real world military hardware and the surrealist nature of its encounters, characters, and eventual climax, is a prediction that rings entirely true: the misinformation age will seem incomprehensible and entirely surreal, as we lack a proper framework to process and critically engage with new information as it is filtered through algorithms and presented in such a manner to yet again, not control content, but to create context - for the maintenance of the political status quo.

Kojima�s success and lifelong fame for driving the medium forward was his ability to intertwine these political ideals into a young medium which while considered simple children�s entertainment, was able to introduce his higher critical ideals to audiences that otherwise might never engage with - especially in nations that have strict controls on outside media.

# ? Apr 10, 2018 03:31

Poops Mcgoots: Jul 12, 2010

Taintrunner posted:

The end of MGS2 very specifically states their plan is not about controlling content, but creating context. Consider the recent slaughter in Palestine - IDF snipers blasting unarmed protestors, some of them children, and how it is filtered through American news outlets such as the NYT as a �clash,� because, you know, being shot at from hundreds of yards away is the furthest thing from a clash. This should be obvious, and yet, the context is created which makes the information entirely untrue.

You�re also posting this on a dying message board as discourse is centralized to a limited few privately owned social media platforms that directly collaborate the government and various intelligence agencies.

As far as �nonsense,� think about the surreal onslaught of news consumed at such a rapid pace in our modern era. It�s actively too much for one person to keep up with and is filled with so many conflicting and inconsistent narratives and characters whilst possessing a surrealness that is impossible to truly comprehend in its entirety.

What Metal Gear Solid 2 makes clear in its entirety between the mix of real world military hardware and the surrealist nature of its encounters, characters, and eventual climax, is a prediction that rings entirely true: the misinformation age will seem incomprehensible and entirely surreal, as we lack a proper framework to process and critically engage with new information as it is filtered through algorithms and presented in such a manner to yet again, not control content, but to create context - for the maintenance of the political status quo.

Kojima�s success and lifelong fame for driving the medium forward was his ability to intertwine these political ideals into a young medium which while considered simple children�s entertainment, was able to introduce his higher critical ideals to audiences that otherwise might never engage with - especially in nations that have strict controls on outside media.

Dan Ryckert parachute account spotted.

# ? Apr 10, 2018 03:38

In Training: Jun 28, 2008

MGS2 is incredible because you can get that guy to pee on you.

# ? Apr 10, 2018 03:41

Spring Break My Heart: Feb 15, 2012

Taintrunner posted:

My favorite aspect of being live in 2018 is that outside of Kojima and Yoko Taro, every single loving �auteur� in games has absolutely eaten poo poo, from the Romeros to Molyneux to Spector to CliffyB to Roberts to goddamn Lord British. They were all one hit wonders and without a solid team they were never able to reach those same heights. It�s honestly astounding.

I don't know about all of those but Molyneux, Spector and Bleszinski had several hit series. Roberts and Garriott are certainly primarily known for one series but had more than enough successful titles in them that I'd find it hard to call them one hit wonders. Don't even know what the argument against Spector is since he did it on different development teams.

# ? Apr 10, 2018 03:42

Spring Break My Heart: Feb 15, 2012

Metal Gear Solid 2 probably has the best story in the history of video games. That or Automata

# ? Apr 10, 2018 03:45

Spring Break My Heart: Feb 15, 2012

Metal Gear Solid
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain

Each of them a classic

# ? Apr 10, 2018 03:47

A good poster: Jan 10, 2010

The White Dragon posted:

I went looking for battle spritesheets of Bart from Xenogears but instead I found this

Looper posted:

I've never played Xenogears but that's a bad look, i think

As an extra layer of gross, they're cousins.

# ? Apr 10, 2018 03:48

Taintrunner: Apr 10, 2017; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Spring Break My Heart posted:

I don't know about all of those but Molyneux, Spector and Bleszinski had several hit series. Roberts and Garriott are certainly primarily known for one series but had more than enough successful titles in them that I'd find it hard to call them one hit wonders. Don't even know what the argument against Spector is since he did it on different development teams.

Yeah, bad choice of phrase sure, but I mean now, after the late 90s to early 00s, none of those guys are close to relevant and their output is incredibly embarrassing to witness.

Spector made two Epic Mickey bombs and now fingerwags about violence in games. Roberts is running an outright scam. Garriot is selling his blood and launched the worst wannabe MMO asset flip trash I�ve seen in years. The Romeros make?/made? Facebook crap. CliffyB is trying to cash in on Fortnite�s popularity after launching Overwatch For Men and getting burned. Molyneux had... �not on rails,� and Godus bombing to hell and back. None of the western auteurs that used to be titans have fallen so far from grace it�s just tragic.

# ? Apr 10, 2018 03:50

Randallteal: May 7, 2006; The tears of time

MGS2 has the worst setting, codec team, bosses and moment-to-moment plot (every scene without Plisskin is just an MGS1 retread with you waiting for the twist, basically) of the series.

Overall I'd put it in the middle.

# ? Apr 10, 2018 03:53

Expect My Mom: Nov 18, 2013; by Smythe

Taintrunner posted:

The end of MGS2 very specifically states their plan is not about controlling content, but creating context. Consider the recent slaughter in Palestine - IDF snipers blasting unarmed protestors, some of them children, and how it is filtered through American news outlets such as the NYT as a �clash,� because, you know, being shot at from hundreds of yards away is the furthest thing from a clash. This should be obvious, and yet, the context is created which makes the information entirely untrue.

You�re also posting this on a dying message board as discourse is centralized to a limited few privately owned social media platforms that directly collaborate the government and various intelligence agencies.

As far as �nonsense,� think about the surreal onslaught of news consumed at such a rapid pace in our modern era. It�s actively too much for one person to keep up with and is filled with so many conflicting and inconsistent narratives and characters whilst possessing a surrealness that is impossible to truly comprehend in its entirety.

What Metal Gear Solid 2 makes clear in its entirety between the mix of real world military hardware and the surrealist nature of its encounters, characters, and eventual climax, is a prediction that rings entirely true: the misinformation age will seem incomprehensible and entirely surreal, as we lack a proper framework to process and critically engage with new information as it is filtered through algorithms and presented in such a manner to yet again, not control content, but to create context - for the maintenance of the political status quo.

Kojima�s success and lifelong fame for driving the medium forward was his ability to intertwine these political ideals into a young medium which while considered simple children�s entertainment, was able to introduce his higher critical ideals to audiences that otherwise might never engage with - especially in nations that have strict controls on outside media.

kojima owns

# ? Apr 10, 2018 03:58

The Colonel: Jun 8, 2013; I commute by bike!

Taintrunner posted:

The Romeros make?/made? Facebook crap.

john romero is working on a new fps and put out some maps for doom 1 to warm himself up and they were both genuinely fantastic, and he's mellowed out a lot from how he was back in the daikatana days

# ? Apr 10, 2018 04:08

Accordion Man: Nov 7, 2012; Buglord

Randallteal posted:

(every scene without Plisskin is just an MGS1 retread with you waiting for the twist, basically)

# ? Apr 10, 2018 04:14

homeless snail: Mar 14, 2007

Expect My Mom posted:

kojima owns

# ? Apr 10, 2018 04:15

Samuringa: Mar 27, 2017; Best advice I was ever given?

"Ticker, you'll be a lot happier once you stop caring about the opinions of a culture that is beneath you."

I learned my worth, learned the places and people that matter.

Opened my eyes.

A good poster posted:

As an extra layer of gross, they're cousins.

They're royalty or something holy, aren't they? It's just how they roll.

# ? Apr 10, 2018 04:15

The Colonel: Jun 8, 2013; I commute by bike!

xenogears owns because there is a plot twist that hinges around bart only having one eye

# ? Apr 10, 2018 04:17

Raxivace: Sep 9, 2014

Expect My Mom posted:

kojima owns

# ? Apr 10, 2018 04:17

Ciaphas: Nov 20, 2005; > BEWARE, COWARD

firmly on the 'death stranding's gonna suck, whatever it is' side of the campsite, myself

# ? Apr 10, 2018 04:18

Raxivace: Sep 9, 2014

I like Xenogears a lot but man that game would be light years better if the text didn't appear on screen so slowly.

Like I get that they're trying to simulate actual vocalizing to some extent but still.

# ? Apr 10, 2018 04:19

Poops Mcgoots: Jul 12, 2010

Ciaphas posted:

firmly on the 'death stranding's gonna suck, whatever it is' side of the campsite, myself

# ? Apr 10, 2018 04:22

bentacos: Oct 9, 2012

I never played xenogears despite really wanting to back in the day. Maybe I should look for a copy.

# ? Apr 10, 2018 04:23

cheetah7071: Oct 20, 2010; honk honk; College Slice

The closest thing to a gameplay mechanic we've seen, which is monsters that are invisible until you shine a flashlight on them, could be a solid core for a horror game. I dunno what to make of the rest of it though

# ? Apr 10, 2018 04:23

The Colonel: Jun 8, 2013; I commute by bike!

xenogears has a lot of flaws but it was my fav jrpg when i was just getting into them and i think it has a lot of really good bits of writing that make it worth playing

it's probably still in my top 10 tbh, it mainly loses marks for being much slower than something like shadow hearts covenant or trails. otoh that slowness gives it kind of a cool dreamlike feel that's part of why i still remember it pretty vividly years later

# ? Apr 10, 2018 04:24

Taintrunner: Apr 10, 2017; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Kojima has never made a bad game and Death Standing is going to be even better than Metal Gear.

# ? Apr 10, 2018 04:26

The Colonel: Jun 8, 2013; I commute by bike!

i think, it will be cool if the video game is good

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Ciaphas: Nov 20, 2005; > BEWARE, COWARD

The Colonel posted:

i think, it will be cool if the video game is good

i mean, hell, I hope this for all video games, even nonexistent ones like star citizen

# ? Apr 10, 2018 04:33

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