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cargo cult posted:what happens if nothing happens That's practically impossible. Trump would be revealing himself to have the limpest dick of any US president, ever, and no one would be more cognizant of that than him. cargo cult posted:i just dont get why everyones at least performatively convinced that This Is The BIg One. trump tweeting about his bigger and better working button was at least as volatile and nothing came of that either. to say nothing of the fact that nothing happened after we kind of blew up that syrian runway either. whatever i guess - The last one has to be topped, and bigly, since it obviously didn't work - Trump's never had more of a reason to wag the dog - There are Russians in the way, and relations with them are so bad right now that the Trump-Putin friendship is looking like Willy and Nicky (that's a WW1 reference  )- Netanyahu, MBS, and Bolton have major war boners for Iran right now (and always)
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Apr 11, 2018 03:21
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https://twitter.com/afneil/status/983823112381792256?s=19
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Apr 11, 2018 03:22
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in his moldering crypt blair turns uneasily.
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Apr 11, 2018 03:29
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:- There are Russians in the way, and relations with them are so bad right now that the Trump-Putin friendship is looking like Willy and Nicky (that's a WW1 reference In a human history full of insanely poignant stories, this makes the top 50 easily btw. returning from vacation to talk to your bestie, bemoan your shithead suboordinates, say goodbye forever, and then preside over the stupidest mishaps in recorded history up to that point.
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Apr 11, 2018 03:55
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cargo cult posted:i just dont get why everyones at least performatively convinced that This Is The BIg One. trump tweeting about his bigger and better working button was at least as volatile and nothing came of that either. to say nothing of the fact that nothing happened after we kind of blew up that syrian runway either. whatever i guess Bolton's the war-hawk's war-hawk's war-hawk. Dude was nuttier than a guy with Mad Dog as a moniker and frankly could make the Caligula look loving Amish in comparison. Combined with Trump's hasty firings of anyone who gets in the way to his war and we've got all it takes for the end of days. I forgot who posted it in another thread, but we're lucky we haven't gone full war yet considering WWI started for less than what's been going on now.
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Apr 11, 2018 04:32
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have the shittiest political compass courtesy of vox
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Apr 11, 2018 04:35
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Darkman Fanpage posted:have the shittiest political compass courtesy of vox
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Apr 11, 2018 04:41
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thats beautifully useless
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Apr 11, 2018 04:41
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i don't think that's a compass tho
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Apr 11, 2018 04:58
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Trump said "The generals will figure it out" so I guess there's a chance they'll figure it's a bad idea and tell him not to do it. The thing is, if there's a serious bombing campaign and the Syrians shoot down a manned fighter/bomber with one of those Russian missiles the heartland is going to be baying for a full invasion.
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Apr 11, 2018 05:05
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i checked u.s. navy deployments this evening and the only three carriers underway right now are in the pacific so i'm feeling kinda meh about the whole thing trump probably has a tomahawk missile sub nearby though so knock on wood
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Apr 11, 2018 05:13
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what's the ETA on tucker carlson getting fired because he's not marching in lockstep with the prevailing war propaganda also lol that tucker carlson of all loving people is going out on a limb to suggest this might be a false flag attack
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Apr 11, 2018 05:16
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:i checked u.s. navy deployments this evening and the only three carriers underway right now are in the pacific so i'm feeling kinda meh about the whole thing We're gonna shoot off tens of millions worth of ordinance just to bomb a government office.
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Apr 11, 2018 05:17
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loss edits are getting weird
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Apr 11, 2018 05:19
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lol what the gently caress tucker carlson is pointing out that the US actually doesn't care about atrocity because it's ignoring the atrocity in yemen and that the moderate rebels are islamic extremists et al
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Apr 11, 2018 05:21
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tuckwr Carlson is a Russian agent
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Apr 11, 2018 05:25
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just kidding he's a paleocon, an endangered species
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Apr 11, 2018 05:25
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Ace of Baes posted:tuckwr Carlson is a Russian agent That's intellectual diversity right there.
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Apr 11, 2018 05:26
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comedyblissoption posted:lol what the gently caress tucker carlson is pointing out that the US actually doesn't care about atrocity because it's ignoring the atrocity in yemen and that the moderate rebels are islamic extremists et al
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Apr 11, 2018 05:27
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is tucker carlson gonna become fox news' phil donahue lol
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Apr 11, 2018 05:28
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im sure pat buchanan is saying the same poo poo over at the american conservative
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Apr 11, 2018 05:28
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Tucker Carlsons new blog post on dsausa.org
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Apr 11, 2018 05:29
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:It doesn't make much sense why the SAA would deploy chemical weapons now when East Ghouta was already almost wrapped up. On the other hand, the Syrians could also be trying to exploit the fact that it doesn't make sense to carry out a revenge attack and cast enough doubt to prevent an intervention. It has to be investigated.
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Apr 11, 2018 05:51
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comedyblissoption posted:how many dimensions of chess is required for this to be a plausible scenario It's only 2 dimensions. Along one axis you have "we really want to gas those loving al Qaeda" and on the other you have "we really don't want to get bombed by the US."
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Apr 11, 2018 05:56
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the "it doesn't make sense" argument implies more logic and reason to military actions than is often really the case.
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Apr 11, 2018 06:03
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+ the syrian army has a bunch of chemical weapons + the syrian army doesn't even really exist anymore and is more a confederation of pro-regime militias with dubious command and control procedures (ironically, this is one reason why they've proven to be more adaptable and successful than your average brookings institution 'expert' predicted a few years ago) + the syrians might not particularly care what the rest of the world thinks + they do dumb poo poo from time to time + in all frankness the U.S. hasn't actually done much to stop them in the past i'm no brown moses though and haven't looked done the picto-analysis of the particular bombs
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Apr 11, 2018 06:06
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I'm just saying that syrians bombing the rebels not caring about international response or cause they just love gassing children makes a lot more sense than that scenario. The implausible would be the syrians going well we can safely gas because surely the united states or international community will be so confused on whether or not the action is a false flag or not that they'll not intervene. Like that's some spicy sicilian reasoning.
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Apr 11, 2018 06:11
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:+ the syrian army has a bunch of chemical weapons
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Apr 11, 2018 06:12
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Plutonis posted:https://twitter.com/RaniaKhalek/status/983375131027394560 Joy Reid and Rachel Maddow must be cumming in their pants right now; they have been promoting war against Assad and Putin for years.
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Apr 11, 2018 06:15
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Is that chart implying that Obama backs the Kurds and Trump doesn't? And also that the Kurds aren't rebels?
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Apr 11, 2018 06:20
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how the gently caress is tucker Carlson the voice of loving reason 
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Apr 11, 2018 06:46
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really queer Christmas posted:how the gently caress is tucker Carlson the voice of loving reason AND WHY DOES SOMEONE ANNOUNCE THEIR CANDIDACY GOING *DOWN* AN ESCALATOR?!?!?!
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Apr 11, 2018 07:12
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You're telling me discourse is a window into possibility, and the window MOVES?!?!?! fly away troll. gently caress. right. off!!
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Apr 11, 2018 07:13
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really queer Christmas posted:how the gently caress is tucker Carlson the voice of loving reason Reason is being anti-war, which he isn't. Irrationality is denying that Assad dropped the gas despite contrary evidence.
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Apr 11, 2018 07:21
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Putin protect his small Assad son
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Apr 11, 2018 07:22
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Donald Trump is gonna try to invade Syria and get taken out by the curse of Assad along with Macron and Theresa May, leading to the glorious Sanders-Corbyn-Melenchon new internationale.
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Apr 11, 2018 07:29
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really queer Christmas posted:how the gently caress is tucker Carlson the voice of loving reason interestingly, the most outright pro-assad types in the west tend to be either communists or fascists. tucker carlson is probably the biggest major-media personality who really seems like an outright ethno-nationalist of the buchananite variety. of course, this doesn't make the anti-war position wrong because fascists share it. on some of the nazi forums, they're talking about organizing call-ins to their reps to advocate no war in syria. if there is anything approaching consistent foreign policy worldviews it's grounded in various "schools" like realist, non-interventionist, isolationist, or neoconservative/liberal-internationalist (i'm still not quite sure what the difference is between those). umm. what else...
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Apr 11, 2018 07:33
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realism neorealism post structuralist? not that i know what much of that poo poo means also ill say Tucker Carlsons been the most vocal about being skeptical about the trump-russia stuff which is another position he seems to share with socialists and communists
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oh yeah well i think the chemical warfare denialists are trying to square a contradiction. first of all, they (a) don't believe the U.S. should go to war in syria, at least more than it already has, and they also (b) accept the view that using chemical weapons is verboten and would perhaps justify an intervention. so there's some cognitive dissonance there that resolves itself by concocting these false-flag stories. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUyrgEtzbvM what if i say that assad used chemical weapons but i don't think the U.S. should intervene? 'my god! then you accept children being gassed!' no, i don't think a U.S. attack will make it better. the germans rolled out chemical weapons in 1915 and the fact of their use didn't justify U.S. intervention then -- and there were all sorts of atrocity stories used to justify that war, many of them true i'm sure. was the U.S. entry into World War I a good idea, in retrospect? it's kind of ghastly thing to say which is why you won't see it on the op-ed pages. but that's me being honest with myself. BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 07:46 on Apr 11, 2018 |
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