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hooman posted:Since I can't edit I'll double post: Amnesty has 12/20 of the worst regimes for human rights abuses as various sects of Islam. 4 are Christian (Catholic and other, but mainly Catholic I think), 2 are commies, 1 is multi-denominational and 1 is Yugoslavia (I have no loving idea who the powerful people are in Yugoslavia these days). e This is off the top of my head but I'm correct. If anyone knows where Yugoslavia sits that'd be nice.
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BBJoey posted:personally the way i conceive of religion is that it’s a fool’s game to try and categorise a religion itself as better or worse than another. all religions can be interpreted to suit anyones’ ends. what actually matters is who is doing the interpreting and how strongly that affects people. This was more or less the point that I clumsily failed to make.
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Snowman_McK posted:I've fixed because holy I can tell you're going to be insufferable about it. insufferable, moi?!
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As they say in the classics, classic.
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Snowman_McK posted:This was more or less the point that I clumsily failed to make. this is why it was a spicy take you loving moron
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DFAT refuses to intervene after Yassmin Abdel-Magied is denied entry to the US, despite the urgings of Richard Di Natale.
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BBJoey posted:i don’t think it’s much deniable that on average politically powerful islam has a worse effect on for example gay rights or women’s rights than christianity. I don't want to be a dick but citation needed. I don't know that this is true and I'm not willing to take it as read that it is. BBJoey posted:and i would also say that yes, as a tool used to justify the settlement and slow cleansing of palestine, judaism is destructive politically. But I don't attribute Israels actions to them being Jewish, they may use it as a justification but it's not a cause. So why is this different to the oppression of women and Islam? Fake Edit because this post came while I was writing this: BBJoey posted:personally the way i conceive of religion is that it’s a fool’s game to try and categorise a religion itself as better or worse than another. all religions can be interpreted to suit anyones’ ends. what actually matters is who is doing the interpreting and how strongly that affects people. I think we may be talking past each other because this is mostly what I think as well. Which is why it frustrates me when people talk about "religions" as some kind of driving force behind actions, when mostly they're used as a smokescreen justification.
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If you keep mentioning Israel you are going to summon *her*
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Don Dongington posted:Oh hey like 60 posts since breakfast, I wonder what's happened in Auspo- Yassmin Abdel-Magied tried to gain access to the United States under false pretenses and was turned away.
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BBJoey posted:personally the way i conceive of religion is that it’s a fool’s game to try and categorise a religion itself as better or worse than another. all religions can be interpreted to suit anyones’ ends. what actually matters is who is doing the interpreting and how strongly that affects people. Nah it's real important that everybody know Islam is extra bad and that stupid bloody woman doesn't know how good she has it blah blah blaaaargh
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JBP posted:Yassmin Abdel-Magied tried to gain access to the United States under false pretenses and was turned away. Did you develop aspergers overnight and totally lose the ability to process nuance and sarcasm
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JBP posted:Yassmin Abdel-Magied tried to gain access to the United States under false pretenses and was turned away. Speaking of poo poo takes, this is disingenuous tripe Maybe she simply made a mistake with her visa? Perhaps she has experiences of being treated with suspicion at international airports, combined with the current political atmosphere in the US, which caused her to jump to a conclusion about why she was being held up.
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She travelled on a tourist visa for a paid speaking engagement.
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The Before Times posted:Speaking of poo poo takes, this is disingenuous tripe Now this is some loving disingenuous tripe. Any speaking engagement like this provides a guide for entry and international guest directions. It is also her job to deliver hot takes and should have, in her own interest, secured the correct visa to enter the US. I nearly got knocked back once because I had seven of the same tshirt in my bag as gifts and they though I was promoting Australian sports.
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JBP posted:Now this is some loving disingenuous tripe. Any speaking engagement like this provides a guide for entry and international guest directions. It is also her job to deliver hot takes and should have, in her own interest, secured the correct visa to enter the US. I nearly got knocked back once because I had seven of the same tshirt in my bag as gifts and they though I was promoting Australian sports. so you're saying it's incredibly easy to be knocked back for dumb reasons
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Don Dongington posted:Did you develop aspergers overnight and totally lose the ability to process nuance and sarcasm aspergers is symptomatic of posting in the auspol thread
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The Before Times posted:Speaking of poo poo takes, this is disingenuous tripe
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:She travelled on a tourist visa for a paid speaking engagement. Even if she was doing it for free, it is her job to write editorials and appear in front of people. You need a working visa to promote your business in the US even if it doesn't make you any money while you are there.
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I think the thing everyone is missing here is 'who loving cares its just that idiot who said dumb things on ANZAC day'
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The Before Times posted:so you're saying it's incredibly easy to be knocked back for dumb reasons How is being knocked back for having the flat out wrong visa dumb on the part of the US government official that enforces their laws? Also I was let in after the confusion. It is demonstrating that they are all over people coming in on tourist visas to do work.
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:She travelled on a tourist visa for a paid speaking engagement. that is literally the US visa type you should travel on for conferences and stuff http://www.ustraveldocs.com/au/au-niv-typeb1b2.asp
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:If you keep mentioning Israel you are going to summon *her* Avs posting is preferable to this
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The Before Times posted:that is literally the US visa type you should travel on for conferences and stuff She is employed and paid by Americans for the visit, not by her home employer. She is not entitled to that visa.
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interesting how that was an easy mistake to make (jk, it's difficult to figure out which type of working visa she actually would/should have gotten tho)
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The Before Times posted:that is literally the US visa type you should travel on for conferences and stuff I read that as for sitting in the audience at conferences, not being paid to present at them. Maybe a type O or P visa would be more appropriate for that  e: or for speaking at a conference, unpaid
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The Before Times posted:interesting how that was an easy mistake to make This is ridiculous. If you are traveling internationally to get paid you require a temporary working visa. The B1 and B2 are different visas as well. If her visa was as a B-2 tourist she is wrong and if the visa was to conduct business she is wrong as that extends only to: Business (B-1) Consult with business associates Attend a scientific, educational, professional, or business convention or conference Settle an estate Negotiate a contract The Before Times posted:(jk, it's difficult to figure out which type of working visa she actually would/should have gotten tho) oh ok fine
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The Before Times posted:interesting how that was an easy mistake to make Idk, I googled the phrase "which us visa do I need " and they literally had a wizard that I could use to find the right one so who knows And if it's confusing there's plenty of links and details for local consulates out there that could help with the information.
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JBP are you Chris Kenny or Paul Murray, that would explain your hot takes and Yasmin-hate while also saving us all a lot of time
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iajanus posted:Idk, I googled the phrase "which us visa do I need " and they literally had a wizard that I could use to find the right one so who knows of course, but for her specific situation, it seems like there is in fact a grey area. some people are let in under the VWP, some aren't. , some under a b1-b2 visa (incorrectly if they are being paid), some aren't. and the O and P type visas seem pretty discretionary? it's actually not cut and dry
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MysticalMachineGun posted:JBP are you Chris Kenny or Paul Murray, that would explain your hot takes and Yasmin-hate while also saving us all a lot of time I likened her to other hot take professionals and was proven right by a deluge of sad tweets then confirmation she was being false. I enjoy her writing and television appearances in the same way I do any other political edutainer. The Before Times posted:of course, but for her specific situation, it seems like there is in fact a grey area. some people are let in under the VWP, some aren't. , some under a b1-b2 visa (incorrectly if they are being paid), some aren't. and the O and P type visas seem pretty discretionary? Do they have phones and email in the UK? I normally call or email someone if I can't figure something like this out rather than just slamming in whatever seems roughly correct.
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JBP posted:I likened her to other hot take professionals and was proven right by a deluge of sad tweets then confirmation she was being false. the problem is, the person at the other end of that communication device may in fact give you the wrong, or even conflicting, information.
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The Before Times posted:the problem is, the person at the other end of that communication device may in fact give you the wrong, or even conflicting, information. Yeah there are many excuses for just plain old loving up and not owning it.
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Yassmin is the new Mia Freedman
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The Before Times posted:It's almost as if you've never had to deal with an infuriating, potentially hostile bureaucracy before Or maybe I do that all day every day and know better than to just wing it.
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EoinCannon posted:Yassmin is the new Mia Freedman Nah Yassmin's heart is seemingly in the right place while Mia is a cappo propagandist.
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