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redeyes
Sep 14, 2002

by Fluffdaddy
so is this official now: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-02/apple-is-said-to-plan-move-from-intel-to-own-mac-chips-from-2020

yikes!

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Star War Sex Parrot
Oct 2, 2003

Cool keep us posted on any other week-old news you find!

Weedle
May 31, 2006





“”””official””””

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002

by Fluffdaddy
I saw the story a week ago but isn't bloomberg more officialish? Whatever.

Pivo
Aug 20, 2004


Bloomberg broke the story originally

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002

by Fluffdaddy

Pivo posted:

Bloomberg broke the story originally

Ohh ok, my bad. I thought it was some dumb rumor and then saw it on bloomberg and was a little shocked.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

Boris Galerkin posted:

I just tried out the new keyboard today to see what the big deal was and wow, it was pretty terrible. There’s no way I can see myself using it for hours at a time.

Is this the same new keyboard that's on the 2016's or is this a new new keyboard? Because I love the 2016 MBP keyboard. The travel, the shape, the fact it's surprisingly loud. It's the best laptop keyboard I've ever used.

I also love how AirPods fit my ears, so fight me now.

Krispy Wafer fucked around with this message at 15:55 on Apr 9, 2018

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

I also loving the MBP keyboard

Pivo
Aug 20, 2004


Mu Zeta posted:

I also loving the MBP keyboard

that's not recommended

Corb3t
Jun 7, 2003

Krispy Wafer posted:

Is this the same new keyboard that's on the 2016's or is this a new new keyboard? Because I loving the 2016 MBP keyboard. The travel, the shape, the fact it's surprisingly loud. It's the best laptop keyboard I've ever used.

I also love how AirPods fit my ears, so fight me now.

2017 version has more travel but the same clickiness and shape of the 2016 keyboard.

I love the clickiness too, but I wouldn't complain if they added even more travel to the 2018 version.

IuniusBrutus
Jul 24, 2010

For anyone with a Microcenter near by and considering getting a MBP...

http://www.microcenter.com/product/501586/MacBook_Pro_with_Touch_Bar_FLH12LL-A_133_Laptop_Computer_Apple_Certified_Refurbished_-_Space_Gray

Pretty excellent deal on the TB model. It's an Apple refurb so I assume you can buy AppleCare+ for it as well.

PRADA SLUT
Mar 14, 2006

Inexperienced,
heartless,
but even so
What’s the difference in flash speed between the SSD and fusion? Are they identical or does one use a different bus?

Eg: if I ran a disk test on each one (only using the flash portion of the fusion), what would the performance difference be?

FCKGW
May 21, 2006

PRADA SLUT posted:

What’s the difference in flash speed between the SSD and fusion? Are they identical or does one use a different bus?

Eg: if I ran a disk test on each one (only using the flash portion of the fusion), what would the performance difference be?

Fusion is an SSD drive paired with a traditional HDD. They are not the same drive (that would be called a Hybrid drive or SSHD), they are two, distinct drives that MacOS decides which one it places files on. Your most accessed files and apps will be placed on the SSD and as that fills up, less frequently used files and apps will go onto the HDD.

If you were to run a disk test on just the SSD portion of a Fusion drive I believe it performs comparable to a straight SSD, possibly sightly slower due to some minor overhead of some CPU processes to map stuff out. Personally, I've used a DIY Fusion drive before where my total storage never exceeded the SSD capacity and it felt exactly the same as using just the SSD by itself.

PRADA SLUT
Mar 14, 2006

Inexperienced,
heartless,
but even so

FCKGW posted:

Fusion is an SSD drive paired with a traditional HDD. They are not the same drive (that would be called a Hybrid drive or SSHD), they are two, distinct drives that MacOS decides which one it places files on. Your most accessed files and apps will be placed on the SSD and as that fills up, less frequently used files and apps will go onto the HDD.

If you were to run a disk test on just the SSD portion of a Fusion drive I believe it performs comparable to a straight SSD, possibly sightly slower due to some minor overhead of some CPU processes to map stuff out. Personally, I've used a DIY Fusion drive before where my total storage never exceeded the SSD capacity and it felt exactly the same as using just the SSD by itself.

So the fusion drive is hooked to a PCIE bus? Effectively, a fusion drive is identical to having a PCIE-bussed SSD, with an added HDD that acts as a single logical volume?

PRADA SLUT fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Apr 9, 2018

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

PRADA SLUT posted:

So the fusion drive is hooked to a PCIE bus?

The SSD part is PCIe but the HD is SATA

They are presented as a single volume on Mac OS X using Core Storage (think LVM)

PRADA SLUT
Mar 14, 2006

Inexperienced,
heartless,
but even so

Bob Morales posted:

The SSD part is PCIe but the HD is SATA

This is what I was wondering. I'm debating between straight SSD or Fusion drive but I wanted the SSD performance of PCIE and a 512 SSD is $180 more than a 2TB Fusion.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

PRADA SLUT posted:

This is what I was wondering. I'm debating between straight SSD or Fusion drive but I wanted the SSD performance of PCIE and a 512 SSD is $180 more than a 2TB Fusion.

Buy whatever the base model is and then just get a 1TB ($300) or 2TB ($500) SATA SSD and swap it out yourself

PRADA SLUT
Mar 14, 2006

Inexperienced,
heartless,
but even so
I'm looking at the iMacs, and a 512 SSD is +$180, and it's the cheapest SSD option. If I went with this configuration, would that mean there's an empty bay for installing a SATA SSD later, and macOS would "fusion" them together, essentially having a PCIE/SATA fusion SSD?

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

PRADA SLUT posted:

I'm looking at the iMacs, and a 512 SSD is +$180, and it's the cheapest SSD option. If I went with this configuration, would that mean there's an empty bay for installing a SATA SSD later, and macOS would "fusion" them together, essentially having a PCIE/SATA fusion SSD?

Yes, it will have the empty spot and port for a SATA drive, but you will have to manually do the Fusion part of it - there are bunch of tutorials on line. I haven't personally done it so I won't link you to one.

Mister Speaker
May 8, 2007

WE WILL CONTROL
ALL THAT YOU SEE
AND HEAR
I'm looking to downgrade from High Sierra due to a handful of issues I should have made myself aware of before pulling the trigger on the upgrade. Natch, I don't want to lose my applications, VSTs or any important data from my home drive.

A friend recommended I use Carbon Copy Cloner to create a clone of my home drive before running the installation of an older OS (in this case I'm going from a boot drive of El Capitan). Once the CC cloning is done and the home drive freshly wiped with the older OS, is it simply a matter of using Migration Assistant to replace all the old applications and data from the cloned drive, or is there anything else I need to do?

FCKGW
May 21, 2006

PRADA SLUT posted:

I'm looking at the iMacs, and a 512 SSD is +$180, and it's the cheapest SSD option. If I went with this configuration, would that mean there's an empty bay for installing a SATA SSD later, and macOS would "fusion" them together, essentially having a PCIE/SATA fusion SSD?

Keep in mind that the screen for the iMac is glued on and it's no small task to remove and then successfully replace the screen.

Also, I'm not sure but someone may now, but it's possibly that the iMacs shipped without an HDD lack the proper cables for power and data since they're not necessary.

If you're going to create a DIY fusion, you will also need to reinstall the OS. You can't create a Fusion on an existing partition.

benisntfunny
Dec 2, 2004
I'm Perfect.

FCKGW posted:

Keep in mind that the screen for the iMac is glued on and it's no small task to remove and then successfully replace the screen.

Also, I'm not sure but someone may now, but it's possibly that the iMacs shipped without an HDD lack the proper cables for power and data since they're not necessary.

If you're going to create a DIY fusion, you will also need to reinstall the OS. You can't create a Fusion on an existing partition.

It’s tapped on. The kit to remove the screen and and reapply it with new adhesive is extremely easy to do and the whole job start to finish takes about 30 minutes or less.

The iMac has all the proper cables in it to attach a new HD. A mounting bracket is needed to go from 3.5 to a 2.5 drive and OWC will sell the temperature sensor required to go on the drive so your computer doesn’t lose its poo poo and blast the fans. Though there’s software to remedy that as well.

All in all, if you’re out of warranty, it’s a very cheap and easy upgrade. Just buy:

Screen disassembly kit: ifixit
Temp sensor: OWC
Bracket: amazon or whatever really

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade


benisntfunny posted:

It’s tapped on. The kit to remove the screen and and reapply it with new adhesive is extremely easy to do and the whole job start to finish takes about 30 minutes or less.

The iMac has all the proper cables in it to attach a new HD. A mounting bracket is needed to go from 3.5 to a 2.5 drive and OWC will sell the temperature sensor required to go on the drive so your computer doesn’t lose its poo poo and blast the fans. Though there’s software to remedy that as well.

All in all, if you’re out of warranty, it’s a very cheap and easy upgrade. Just buy:

Screen disassembly kit: ifixit
Temp sensor: OWC
Bracket: amazon or whatever really

The software you mention won't kick in until after the OS loads which means every time you do a reboot your iMac will sound like a jet about to take off.

Really wish OWC wasn't the only seller to offer that temp sensor but no one else has the balls to stick it to Apple I guess.

nervana
Dec 9, 2010
What is the best option for an external monitor I can use at home for my 2017 13 inch MBP? I hate straining my eyes so I am willing to pay a little more for a nice, big monitor. Will also consider a dual monitor.

And while we are at it, any one here use a projector? Taking suggestions. I will be using it primarily for casual movie watching.

PRADA SLUT
Mar 14, 2006

Inexperienced,
heartless,
but even so

nervana posted:

What is the best option for an external monitor I can use at home for my 2017 13 inch MBP? I hate straining my eyes so I am willing to pay a little more for a nice, big monitor. Will also consider a dual monitor.

And while we are at it, any one here use a projector? Taking suggestions. I will be using it primarily for casual movie watching.

Apple sells a USB-C LG one. Otherwise it’s just preference. Maybe a Dell Ultrasharp.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

nervana posted:

What is the best option for an external monitor I can use at home for my 2017 13 inch MBP? I hate straining my eyes so I am willing to pay a little more for a nice, big monitor. Will also consider a dual monitor.


My personal opinion:

2560x1440 via USB-C to HDMI adapter

Theophany
Jul 22, 2014

SUCCHIAMI IL MIO CAZZO DA DIETRO, RANA RAGAZZO



2022 FIA Formula 1 WDC

nervana posted:

What is the best option for an external monitor I can use at home for my 2017 13 inch MBP? I hate straining my eyes so I am willing to pay a little more for a nice, big monitor. Will also consider a dual monitor.

And while we are at it, any one here use a projector? Taking suggestions. I will be using it primarily for casual movie watching.

LG's 38" Ultrawide (Dell do one too, same panel). 3840x1600, it's utterly glorious on my cMP.

It's not 4K or 5k, admittedly, but that also means it doesn't need the horsepower to drive a UHD display either.

Steakandchips
Apr 30, 2009

I have a MacBook (Retina, 12-inch, Early 2015).

What's the largest external display resolution it can drive at 60hz?

Pivo
Aug 20, 2004


Pretty sure you can drive 4K+ at 60Hz over Thunderbolt 2 on that machine

(even if you use it as DP1.2)

Generic Monk
Oct 31, 2011

Theophany posted:

LG's 38" Ultrawide (Dell do one too, same panel). 3840x1600, it's utterly glorious on my cMP.

It's not 4K or 5k, admittedly, but that also means it doesn't need the horsepower to drive a UHD display either.

whoa even more expensive than the dell 4k; at least the dell ultrawide is. kind of tempting ngl

talking of 4k; how does osx support scaling factors on third party hidpi monitors? like if I bought that ultrasharp 4k monitor would i natively get the dpi settings in the displays prefpane or would I have to install some 3p utility?

Star War Sex Parrot
Oct 2, 2003

Bob Morales posted:

My personal opinion:

2560x1440 via USB-C to HDMI adapter
I use USB-C to DisplayPort for this purpose, but the general idea is the same.

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

Binary Badger posted:

The software you mention won't kick in until after the OS loads which means every time you do a reboot your iMac will sound like a jet about to take off.

Really wish OWC wasn't the only seller to offer that temp sensor but no one else has the balls to stick it to Apple I guess.

If it's anything like the old iMacs, you can just bridge the connector back on itself, and it will not spin the fan above idle. Not sure I care, SSDs don't generate enough heat to care about.

Steakandchips
Apr 30, 2009

Pivo posted:

Pretty sure you can drive 4K+ at 60Hz over Thunderbolt 2 on that machine

(even if you use it as DP1.2)

Nice. Lets see if I can find a decent usb-c that has ethernet and usb and 4k capable dp...

Pivo
Aug 20, 2004


Let's not get ahead of ourselves, 2015 doesn't have a USB-C port. I said TB2 or (same port) DP1.2 for a reason.

Star War Sex Parrot
Oct 2, 2003

Pivo posted:

Let's not get ahead of ourselves, 2015 doesn't have a USB-C port. I said TB2 or (same port) DP1.2 for a reason.
There are two parallel monitor conversations. Like 5 posts above yours someone asks for a monitor suggestion for a 2017 MBP.

Pivo
Aug 20, 2004


And apparently I'm the only one who can properly follow it.

Steakandchips
Apr 30, 2009

Pivo posted:

Let's not get ahead of ourselves, 2015 doesn't have a USB-C port. I said TB2 or (same port) DP1.2 for a reason.

You are wrong.

This is the macbook in question: https://everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook/specs/macbook-core-m-1.2-12-early-2015-specs.html#macspecs2

It is a MacBook (Retina, 12-inch, Early 2015), and as it says there, it has a USB-C port.

And here is a pic of it with the USB-C port and it's model name and year displayed.

Steakandchips fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Apr 12, 2018

Pivo
Aug 20, 2004


Oh, a MacBook, not a Pro? Yes, I was wrong. Then all of my advice is wrong. The Pro had TB2 and DP1.2 and could drive 4K 60Hz. I didn't even know the MacBook was a thing in 2015 and I misread and I was wrong. Sorry.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

Doesn't matter because you can only push 4k at 30Hz on a 2015 12"

You can do 2560x1440@60Hz all day though

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Pivo
Aug 20, 2004


But on the Pro you could. That was the error.

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