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I Love Loosies posted:For the EU lol Because the EU loves losing one of its biggest budget contributors and unnecessary trade barriers with its largest export market.
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Pissflaps posted:Because the EU loves losing one of its biggest budget contributors and unnecessary trade barriers with its largest export market. Otoh they get rid of farage and gain a great cautionary tale for anyone else who might consider leaving
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Apr 11, 2018 22:02
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I doubt they pay as much attention to Farage as we do. Brexit is bad for everyone there are no winners.
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Apr 11, 2018 22:08
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The winners are those of us who enjoy the self destructive rush of schadenfreude that occurs every time another poorly designed technocratic project blows up in its creators faces.
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Apr 11, 2018 22:10
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Helsing posted:The winners are those of us who enjoy the self destructive rush of schadenfreude that occurs every time another poorly designed technocratic project blows up in its creators faces. The UK is a technocratic project? hakimashou has issued a correction as of 22:18 on Apr 11, 2018 |
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Apr 11, 2018 22:14
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Pissflaps posted:I doubt they pay as much attention to Farage as we do. I hear he did occasionally show up to work
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Apr 11, 2018 22:20
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hakimashou posted:The UK is a technocratic project? it is now
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Apr 11, 2018 23:32
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time to burn your old generation terrorists vinyl https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/apr/12/manic-street-preachers-jobs-meaning-jeremy-corbyn-doesnt-understand-that-resistance-is-useless quote:There is also a considerable amount of fretting about politics, which seems faintly surprising: given the band’s past political allegiances to Tony Benn and Arthur Scargill, I had assumed they would be quite gung-ho for Jeremy Corbyn, but apparently not. “I’m coming around to him a lot more, but not gung-ho, no,” says Bradfield. “I’m not one of those people that goes on about the liberal elite in London, but I don’t think he understands what makes the working classes tick outside of London and that is just hardcore industries. We’ve operated at our optimum as people when jobs give us meaning, and in the post-industrial hinterlands, he doesn’t understand that. I remember somebody at a meeting down in south Wales, an old guy, ex-miner, wanted his son to have a proper, real, blue-collar job, and he was saying: ‘What do you expect us to do, Mr Corbyn, make loving love spoons out of hemp?’ I don’t think Jezza gets it, I don’t think he connects with people on that level, which is part of the reason we’re having political problems in Wales.”
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Cerv posted:time to burn your old generation terrorists vinyl MSP died after the holy bible anyway and a lot of their music was super reactionary
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Apr 13, 2018 04:34
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Byolante posted:MSP died after the holy bible anyway and a lot of their music was super awesome
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Apr 13, 2018 04:59
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Cerv posted:time to burn your old generation terrorists vinyl that's one hell of a url "jeremy-corbyn-doesnt-understand-that-resistance-is-useless"
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Apr 13, 2018 05:58
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quote:I don’t think he connects with people on that level, which is part of the reason we’re having political problems in Wales. Uh. Are we? Labour got 48.9% here in the last election. That's our best result since 1959.
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Apr 13, 2018 07:35
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Fans posted:Uh. Are we? Labour got 48.9% here in the last election. That's our best result since 1959. Under someone else it would be 69%!
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Apr 13, 2018 07:42
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Firos posted:Under someone else it would be 69%! owen smith
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Apr 13, 2018 07:50
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Firos posted:Under someone else it would be 69%! Nice
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Apr 13, 2018 08:49
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Cerv posted:time to burn your old generation terrorists vinyl Nah, you're alright mate. I'm quite capable of listening to people who make good music but have bad politics. I'd even buy an album you put out Cerv, assuming it was actually good and you're a liberal for crying out loud.
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Apr 13, 2018 09:31
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forkboy84 posted:Nah, you're alright mate. I'm quite capable of listening to people who make good music but have bad politics. I doubt I’d stream your album.
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Apr 13, 2018 10:23
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forkboy84 posted:Nah, you're alright mate. I'm quite capable of listening to people who make good music but have bad politics. jokes on you I have no musical talent. barely scraped by grade 4 piano
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Apr 13, 2018 10:26
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Cant say I’m excited at the prospect of a free bus travel for everyone policy.
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Apr 13, 2018 10:31
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Pissflaps posted:Cant say I’m excited at the prospect of a free bus travel for everyone policy. That would save me a lot of money
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Apr 13, 2018 10:38
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Make buses free so I have to stand next to even poorer people? No thanks
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Apr 13, 2018 10:41
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I think targeting subsidised fares for the young, elderly and low earners makes sense but giving it to people who don’t need free bus travel just seems wasteful. People who can afford to pay should pay. Road infrastructure - repairs and upgrades - should be a priority. Buses and private cars would both benefit from that.
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Apr 13, 2018 10:43
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You can tax richer people more to make up for it. Using buses rather than private transportation is a positive so you don't need to discourage people from using them.
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Apr 13, 2018 11:05
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Pissflaps posted:I doubt I’d stream your album. Even if it was super middle of the road and boring, just for you?
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Apr 13, 2018 11:19
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Irony Be My Shield posted:You can tax richer people more to make up for it. seems like that'd be easier
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Apr 13, 2018 11:19
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Under a free public transportation model (indeed, any similarly public service, such as education), the people who "can afford to pay for it" already did: through their taxes. Further, the people who can afford to pay for it aren't necessarily people who'd be using the service anyway, because they already can afford to drive cars.
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Apr 13, 2018 11:19
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Making it free also cuts down on the bureaucracy around making sure people pay for public transport.
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Apr 13, 2018 11:26
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Making it free also cuts down on the bureaucracy around making sure people pay for public transport. I imagine public ownership and management of all bus services in the country would introduce some additional bureaucracy.
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Apr 13, 2018 11:42
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forkboy84 posted:Even if it was super middle of the road and boring, just for you? I just can’t imagine it being any good. Though I can believe you would create an album just for me.
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Apr 13, 2018 11:44
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Pissflaps posted:I imagine public ownership and management of all bus services in the country would introduce some additional bureaucracy. Why?
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Apr 13, 2018 11:53
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If buses were free to all you'd just get homeless people using them as shelters. Every bus would have its resident homeless person god can you imagine the smell
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Apr 13, 2018 11:56
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Pissflaps posted:I imagine public ownership and management of all bus services in the country would introduce some additional bureaucracy. more than income standards? lol
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Apr 13, 2018 11:56
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because there has never been a business that doesn’t require bureaucracy to run?
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Apr 13, 2018 11:59
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Yeah you wouldn't want to change the status quo under which the buses are perfectly managed.
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Apr 13, 2018 12:21
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At least the trains run on time! *puts finger to earpiece* i've just been informed that the trains have been defunded to the point where the invention of the steam locomotive has been retroactively erased from history
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Apr 13, 2018 12:31
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tbf the buses actually working would probably involve more work yes
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Apr 13, 2018 12:32
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Yinlock posted:tbf the buses actually working would probably involve more work yes
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Frijolero posted:Brexit is good as hell you dumb loving neoliberals A single nation state in tyool 2018 can't hope to accomplish proper socialism on its own. They get embargo'd to poo poo, and their country consequently goes to poo poo without being able to trade for resources not native to the region. Work must be done from the inside of larger entities, to get there. EU might actually be big enough to pull it off. Maybe. Either way, leaving it is a losing proposition for all parties involved, unless the UK is officially kicking off the WSM and has a bunch of members lined up I've somehow missed.
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Apr 13, 2018 13:08
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How could the EU become a socialist body?
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Like any other body ever became socialist: propaganda.
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