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I haven't seen him do any biting but he still does the extra joint manipulation stuff on holds, and Takeover was the first time I noticed him do the arm clap finger break. Shayna has been doing a finger break stomp too.
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"Get a Good Match out of Braun Stroman" makes you a good wrestler. "Having 4 lacklustre Wrestlemania Main events in a row" makes you a bad figurehead. "Having to go halfway around the world just to find a crowd that will cheer you." Makes you a bad figurehead. "Getting the Rock booed" makes you a bad figurehead. I don't know. Maybe the problem is with the concept of a figurehead. At least in the US. Or maybe the problem is with the silent majority who don't go to shows and buy all of Roman's merch because he looks the part and kids are impressionable. (The first Brock match was pretty short and the only thing Roman did was get his rear end kicked and laugh) ChrisBTY fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Apr 12, 2018 |
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"the only thing he did was take bumps and sell" doesn't really mean what you think it does. as someone else said, the easiest thing to do in a wrestling match is kick rear end while the other guy sells all your poo poo
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No, but it does make for a short, 1 sided match. And that was his best outing.
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Aphrodite posted:I haven't seen him do any biting but he still does the extra joint manipulation stuff on holds, and Takeover was the first time I noticed him do the arm clap finger break. My first exposure to Dunne was the UK tournament, and there's a really weird edit where he's got Tyler Bate locked up on the mat, and you can very briefly see him pull his mouth guard out, and then nothing comes of it. I thought he was going to shove it in Tyler's mouth or something. Beyond that, thought I saw him biting on NXT at least once, but then again I do drink quite a bit.
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Dunne had done the biting before, the spot there was supposed to be that Bate thought the bite was coming and that opened him up to let Dunne get a move in on him. When Dunne fought Gargano a few months back he pretended his mouthguard fell out, but really did it to bite Johnny to escape the GargaNo Escape. Shortly after Johnny noticed the missing mouthguard and superkicked him in the teeth. If he still bites I don't think it's nearly as often.
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Gavok posted:Hogan vs. Slaughter is the dullest, sloggiest Hogan match at WrestleMania, but it lacks the outright stupidity of the Sid match. It's bottom ten, but not bottom five. We watched this about a week ago at the bar, and my drunk rear end yelled at the tv over this. Was there ever a televised Warrior/Taker match. I remember wanting to see that so bad when I was a kid.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:"the only thing he did was take bumps and sell" doesn't really mean what you think it does. as someone else said, the easiest thing to do in a wrestling match is kick rear end while the other guy sells all your poo poo Why does Roman always make it look so hard with his dumbass jumping punch, then?
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Open Marriage Night posted:Was there ever a televised Warrior/Taker match. I remember wanting to see that so bad when I was a kid. Only if you count the MSG Network. Here's the aforementioned MSG Warrior/Taker bodybag match. Looking at YouTube, there's also a casket match between the two that happened in Rochester. I don't know where or how it was released, but the footage features multiple camera angles and no commentary.
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MassRafTer posted:The guy who got the best matches by far out of Braun is average at best, gotcha. Not just the best matches, star making matches. That's apples to oranges. No one else got to do all those stunts with Braun. The Big Show matches were about as good too, doesn't mean Big Show is above average.
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Web Jew.0 posted:That's apples to oranges. No one else got to do all those stunts with Braun. The Big Show matches were about as good too, doesn't mean Big Show is above average. Big Show in decent health is quite good and very capable of great big man matches, see his series with Undertaker in 2008.
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Open Marriage Night posted:Was there ever a televised Warrior/Taker match. I remember wanting to see that so bad when I was a kid. It was on a Coliseum Home Video tape - Rampage 1991.
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VJeff posted:Why does Roman always make it look so hard with his dumbass jumping punch, then? Also his regular punches And that arm spot in the shoulder where he goes in for repeated hugs And any time he has to lift someone
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MassRafTer posted:Big Show in decent health is quite good and very capable of great big man matches, see his series with Undertaker in 2008.
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frankenfreak posted:There's truth to that, but your example is also 10 years old. I was replying to an example from a few months ago. I mean he goes through phases where he's horribly out of shape and stinks, then gets in shape and is good and then it repeats. I mean the guy had to get out of the business (mostly) for a year in 2007 because he'd been so worn down in the previous decade (and to try and box.) He had a good run in 08, then the Jerishow run, then I honestly don't remember a ton until Braun but there's probably stuff in there since it is late and I'm tired.
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MassRafTer posted:I was replying to an example from a few months ago. I mean he goes through phases where he's horribly out of shape and stinks, then gets in shape and is good and then it repeats. I mean the guy had to get out of the business (mostly) for a year in 2007 because he'd been so worn down in the previous decade (and to try and box.) He had a good run in 08, then the Jerishow run, then I honestly don't remember a ton until Braun but there's probably stuff in there since it is late and I'm tired. He had like eight turns. Maybe more. And the crying.
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Big Show had great matches with Brock Lesnar in 2002/2003. Of course, it was overshadowed by Brock's work in the time period with Taker, Angle, and Benoit. But Big Show was probably babyface Brock's best opponent since he was pretty much the only heel at the time that could take all of Brock's offense and still look like a threat.
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roman and big show are good wrestlers who are booked poorly
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Roman is an okay upper midcarder pushed as the face of the company to everyone's detriment, putting him in the esteemed ranks of Jeff Jarrett and Shane Douglas.
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Stfu about Roman. What was the incident Dave alluded to about Alicia Fox with Browne? Before their fight...
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DeathChicken posted:Roman is an okay upper midcarder pushed as the face of the company to everyone's detriment, putting him in the esteemed ranks of Jeff Jarrett and Shane Douglas.
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St Evan Echoes posted:Roman is a perfectly good main eventer just not a good choice for ace, especially after the well got poisoned in 2015 The real problem is the well poisoning. He'd have been grand if he went to Smackdown with the Usos, was heel when they turned for a bit, then turned with them. Come back to Raw with a head of steam and not being in the Shield. At least, imo.
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It's the loving vest
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I thought we went over this, the vest is necessary to hide his shameful back. Anyway, Roman is a good top (de facto) heel and Strowman is a good top (de facto) babyface and both of them draw money and both of them are good now. Roman in particular has been involved in multiple MOTY candidates over the past five and a half years, and he’s easily the best solo wrestler out of the Shield. He’s a genuinely good wrestler and he doesn’t deserve half the poo poo that gets said about him, and frankly he has every right to deliver heel promos and act like a top heel when the crowds are that poo poo to him. He doesn’t need to turn heel if he already is one. Strowman took a while to find his edge, but I do agree that his matches against Roman made him look like a star. Since then he’s been good at his role as Big Guy Who‘s Not Finished With You, and he’s a face with the crowd by the sheer virtue of not being Roman Reigns. I don’t see him being Universal Champion for a while now, definitely not before Reigns and (hopefully) Ambrose, but if he can keep doing what he’s doing and doing it well, he’ll be absolutely fine.
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Roman's been in exactly one MOTY candidate match from 2017 thru now that wasn't a multi-man.
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Venomous posted:I thought we went over this, the vest is necessary to hide his shameful back. He's the worst in-ring worker out of the Shield, and it's not even loving close.
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I find them all Problematic® in their own ways. Dean's sloppy as hell, Seth is too much MOVEZ for the sake of MOVEZ and Roman doesn't have much in the arsenal, you know?
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dean got extremely lazy before he got hurt. maybe he'll come back with some fire, i dunno. maybe he injured his arm in a way that its stuck like the kid from rookie in the year so when he goes to do the rebound lariat he really gets some fuckin torque goin on that rebound.
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Gonna do the famous MRT trick of picking one random metric to prove a point and say: Dean had the best match with Old Man HHH out of the 3 Shield dudes and it’s not even close
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St Evan Echoes posted:Dean had the best match with Old Man HHH out of the 3 Shield dudes and it’s not even close
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lol, when has Roman ever been in a MotY candidate?
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Oh Snapple! posted:Roman's been in exactly one MOTY candidate match from 2017 thru now that wasn't a multi-man. Hardly anyone else on the main roster (excluding 205 Live) has had an MOTY candidate from 2017 through now that wasn’t a multi-man so this is kind of a moot point Randaconda posted:He's the worst in-ring worker out of the Shield, and it's not even loving close. Dean’s offense is awful and Seth is an unsafe, overrated worker. Roman all the way. St Evan Echoes posted:Gonna do the famous MRT trick of picking one random metric to prove a point and say: Dean had the best match with Old Man HHH out of the 3 Shield dudes and it’s not even close true VJeff posted:lol, when has Roman ever been in a MotY candidate? if you’re not being disingenuous here: Roman/Bryan at Fastlane 2015 Roman/Brock (until Seth interrupted) at Wrestlemania 31 Roman/Big Show at Extreme Rules 2015 Roman/Cesaro on the 16/11/15 Raw Roman/AJ at Extreme Rules 2016 Roman/KO at Royal Rumble 2017 and countless other tag matches and multi-mans that supposedly don’t count but go off I guess
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Speaking of unsafe workers, was Stan Hansen considered unsafe? I know he's blind and will beat the poo poo out of you, but did he hurt anyone apart from Bruno
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You have seen his match with Vader, right? (Other than that, I haven’t heard much else about him being particularly unsafe to work with, at least no more than most folks).
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I mean... The only reason Hansen gouged Vader's eye out was because he accidentally broke Vader's orbital bone because he attacked him while he still had his entrance helmet on. Vader didn't want to ware the helmet for just that reason, but Inoki made him wear the helmet anyways, so, really, it's Inoki's fault.
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Either Hansen could work like a motherfucker or else he just threw the lariat with no fucks given and according to stories nobody liked taking them.
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Venomous posted:Hardly anyone else on the main roster (excluding 205 Live) has had an MOTY candidate from 2017 through now that wasn’t a multi-man so this is kind of a moot point I'm assuming you mean, moty excluding non WWE promotions because lol
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All of the incredible wrestling in the last two years and a a pair of overbooked spotfests with AJ and Owens are MotY candidates. Good gravy. This is why I can never figure out how I feel about Roman, someone will say he's a worthless sack of crap and I'll be like hey now come on he's just badly utilized he's a talented guy and then somebody tries to tell me that he has the best TV matches in the company or that freaking AJ Styles Extreme Rules match was anything special and I wanna throw Roman off a cliff into a herd of wildebeests Mufasa style. MJeff fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Apr 13, 2018 |
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TheCool69 posted:Either Hansen could work like a motherfucker or else he just threw the lariat with no fucks given and according to stories nobody liked taking them. According to anecdotal stories, Hansen has really bad eyesight, so he just throws the lariat as hard as he can at the blob coming towards him. It's the only way to make sure it looks good
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