Psion posted:

is there any value whatsoever in doing both? I make and use merged patches, so I'm not trying to argue you're wrong, just curious if there's anything a bashed patch will touch that a merged one won't

Red Metal posted:

iirc bashed patches handle leveled lists better than merged patches, provided your mods have the proper bash tags

wizard on a water slide posted:

So I just picked up the game again and read the OP, installed Mod Organizer, and found out it doesn't work with Skyrim SE.

So... where to, now?

dwarf74 posted:

drat. New Skyrim update; now the wait for a new version of SKSE...

wizard on a water slide posted:

So I just picked up the game again and read the OP, installed Mod Organizer, and found out it doesn't work with Skyrim SE.

So... where to, now?

Gyshall posted:

And mator smash better than both of those

NihilCredo posted:

Is there an actual guide to it beyond that one YouTube video? Wrye Bash may have had worse results, but at least I could navigate it (right click -> Rebuild Patch -> go through the options, each of which has a useful tooltip). With Mator Smash I found I could either mindlessly follow the extremely bare-bones guides like a monkey and hope everything worked (it didn't), or get totally lost.

Also, it hasn't been touched for nearly a year and it's still listed as alpha. Is that a problem?

Randaconda posted:

Believe the author quit working on Mator.

Ojjeorago posted:

SKSE update is out for the new Skyrim SE update, and they finally called it beta instead of alpha so hopefully the holdout mod authors will stop being dumb.

Also don’t listen to that vidiot recommending NMM.

Fuligin posted:

Where is it? http://skse.silverlock.org/ doesn't seem to have updated yet

Gyshall posted:

He is actually working on a new xEdit fork called zEdit, which is meant to be a swiss army knife patching tool, with merging, cleaning, etc. A good analogy is tes3cmd, but with a GUI, and way more extensible. Meant to replace Merge Plugins, Mator Smash, etc.

I wrote some words on how to get started with a Smashed Patch here.

Note that it won't work with .esl formatted Creation Club mods.

Ojjeorago posted:

NMM and that reddit beginners guide are both poo poo. Use Mod Organizer 2 and this guide series.

guide posted:

Start SSEEdit through Mod Organizer. Select only the update.esm file. Once it has loaded, right click on update.esm and select ‘apply filter for cleaning’. Once completed, right click again and select ‘remove identical to master records’, then ‘undelete and disable references’. Close SSEEdit, making sure you remember to save the plugin and that ‘backup plugins’ is checked at the bottom. You should now have the cleaned copy of update.esm in your overwrite folder.

The original is also in the overwrite, inside a folder called SEEEdit Backups. Open this folder properly, in your explorer, and remove all the extra text after .esm from the backup file, renaming it to simply update.esm. Drag this file back into the Skyrim Special Edition data folder within your Steam directory.

Back in MO, right click on the overwrite button and select ‘create mod’. Name this mod Cleaned Vanilla ESMs. Now, you have the original .esm files in the data folder, and the new, cleaned ones in a mod, that can be activated and disabled at will. Do this for all three DLC .esms. Dawnguard requires cleaning twice – you’ll only want to rename and drag the first backup file. Just delete the second. Cleaned .esms can be dragged from the overwrite into the Cleaned Vanilla ESMs mod.

Comstar posted:

So I'm building a home from Heathfire, and though it seems quite large, it's sorta in the middle of nowhere in Falkwreath.

What's some better mods for house/farm/castle building? I'm disappointed you don't get to build a castle or have more than a steward, bard and family living there.

The Iron Rose posted:

NMM is fine if uninspired these days and honestly the loss of functionality is probably worth the time spent not troubleshooting installation issues. It's fine, it does the job, and most importantly? It's easy to use. MO2 is not.

MO2 is better and if it works for your setup great but honestly I wouldn't recommend it to new folks.

King Vidiot posted:

Everybody has their preferred thing, or their I-don't-give-a-poo poo thing. There's no real right or wrong way as long as the game loads

JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:

Thank you for the resource!

Unfortunately hit another problem:


There was nothing in my SEEEDIT Backups Folder. I followed the rest of the process to see if that would work. I was able to overwrite and created the Cleaned Vanilla ESMs mod. Then I tried installing some mod from NMM.

Dawnguard.esm not found (and the other DLCs)


Mods downloaded from Nexus were recognized by MO2 and downloaded... but orphaned and deleted


What am I missing?



I am bad at this and I appreciate the threads help.




e: okay found the Backups folder in the windows explorer that's already inside the MO2. Not explorer from my computer. Progress. Still anarchy and nothing works but progress.

e2: we'll uninstall and try again later

quote:

To remove errors in the Bethesda master files, STEP recommends they be cleaned with TES5Edit. This ensures maximum stability and compatibility within the Skyrim modding experience. Follow the instructions below to clean Update.esm (the DLC will be cleaned later according to instructions on their corresponding "mod" pages):
Make a backup of Update.esm from <Skyrim>/data directory by copying it to the desktop (or somewhere else handy).
Run [TES5Edit]] through Mod Organizer.
Right-click the list of plugins and choose [Select None].
Double-click Update.esm.
Wait for Background Loader: finished to be displayed in the right panel, and then right-click on Update.esm and select [Apply Filter For Cleaning].
Wait for the [Filtering done] Processed Records: message in the right panel, and then right-click on Update.esm and select [Remove "Identical to Master" records]. If the Warning! prompt pops up, click [Yes, I'm absolutely sure].
Wait for the [Removing "Identical to Master" records done] Processed Records: message, and then right-click on Update.esm and select [Undelete and Disable References].
Wait for the [Undeleting and Disabling References done] Processed Records: message, and then click the X at upper right of the program window to exit the program.
At the prompt, checkmark Update.esm and Backup Plugins and click [OK].

At this point there are two possible outcomes, dependent upon how fast your disc drive is:

In the first case (typically slower drives such as HDDs), the Update.esm is now no longer in the data directory.
In the second case (typically faster drives such as SSDs), a cleaned Update.esm is now in the data directory (compare the filesize to your backup of Update.esm to verify that it has been cleaned--it should be smaller).

In the first case, you should now do the following:

Restore the backed up Update.esm from step 1 to the data directory.
In Mod Organizer, at the bottom of the left pane modlist is the Overwrite mod, now labeled red because files have been written to it. Double-click to open it.
In Overwrite you will find two items: a TES5Edit Backups folder and Update.esm. Since you already restored your own backed up Update.esm to the data directory, right-click and delete the TES5Edit Backups folder and click [Close].
Right-click Overwrite and select [Create Mod...], name it Cleaned Update ESM, and click [OK].
Drag and drop the new Cleaned Update ESM mod to the top of the left pane modlist.

In the second case, you are done! You can safely delete the backup as you shall not need it (if you wish to restore the original uncleaned Update.esm later, you can simply verify Steam cache and redownload it).

RareAcumen posted:

counterfeitsaint posted:

I played SSE a little earlier on and modded it, but it was on an older computer and now I have a shiny new computer. I understand the SKSE is now out for it, so I'm just going to assume there is a lovely goon-curated list of amazing SKSE mods available somewhere now, can anyone point me in that direction? Also we've finally moved beyond having to rely on that Nexus Mod Manager right?

counterfeitsaint posted:

I played SSE a little earlier on and modded it, but it was on an older computer and now I have a shiny new computer. I understand the SKSE is now out for it, so I'm just going to assume there is a lovely goon-curated list of amazing SKSE mods available somewhere now, can anyone point me in that direction? Also we've finally moved beyond having to rely on that Nexus Mod Manager right?

AotC posted:

Overall I think it came out pretty nice and having a guide was nifty, there's a bunch of stuff that hasn't been updated to SSE yet.

counterfeitsaint posted:

So I'm setting up my mods with a guide from a page or two back. I've got SkyUI but a couple of mods in the MCM show up with everything having dollar signs in front of them:



Any ideas? The SkyUI Nexus page suggests that I accidentally deleted a translation file in a directory that doesn't exist, and their suggestion to verify the installation didn't help, so that's It's happening to Frostfall, Campfire, and Wet & Cold but the rest are all fine.

Rinkles posted:

In my humble, unsolicited opinion, that water doesn't look right.