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Ccs posted:Isn't there at least a few countries that will kill people if they're gay? Saudi Arabia does officially and unofficially
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Lupin posted:China, Indonesia, they're all the same to me! i'm guessing he was saying "watch these men get whipped so you can imagine yourself in their place(no, i don't mean feel bad for them, i mean, don't do gay stuff or this could be you)"
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Apr 13, 2018 01:59
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Iran?? But yeah hopefully Taiwan can legalize gay marriage and since Taiwan is part of China then China should have gay marriage too
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Apr 13, 2018 02:12
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Or Hong Kong when it already recognizes non local gay marriages
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Apr 13, 2018 02:12
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Peter Daou Bundy posted:http://www.newsweek.com/revealed-worlds-most-unwelcoming-city-gay-people-probably-not-where-you-629597 Whoever wrote this is dumb as gently caress. It's not that Beijing ranked last, but that it ranked 100 on an apartment rental site that only displays the top 100 results. There's no total number of cities measured, so being in 100th place is meaningless. There's a world of difference between 100th out of 10,000 versus 100th out of 100.
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Apr 13, 2018 02:15
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Grape posted:Why do people always try to act like the ancient Greeks started a western versus orient pattern that corresponds to modern ones. Because they did. You're right that they thought everyone who didn't speak Greek was a barbarian, but the wars with Persia set up a very explicit east vs west thing that did not exist prior to that. Greeks start to think of Europe as its own thing, different from the east. The Romans pick this up from them later and run with it and it's been going ever since. There are specific "easterner" stereotypes/tropes you can find in Greek and Roman writing that are still being used to this day. Oriental despotism? That was first used about Persian kings and it's still around. There are modern differences of course but it's surprising how many of the original Greek tropes are still with us.
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Apr 13, 2018 02:42
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Fojar38 posted:wait you mean shower orgies are supposed to be uncommon in western men's dorms? member when you went to summer camp, and there was gonna be a kissing party at the girls side. You and our bunk mate never kissed before so you practice with each other. I member that.
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Apr 13, 2018 03:10
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I think the "lesbian crush" thing happens in every culture where women are expected to be perfect and pure and wait for marriage before being allowed to express their sexuality (which then translates to pleasing their husband and pumping out babies). Getting close to the girls in their dorm is basically the only outlet they have. You're not going to get an orgy in a men's dorm in China because there's a massive industry geared towards giving men sexual outlets. Plus, Chinese society doesn't judge men for loving around before they get married so they don't really have any restrictions on dating.
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Apr 13, 2018 03:13
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caberham posted:Iran?? Taiwan’s just waiting for the clock to run out; the court gave the legislature a deadline to pass a gay marriage law or it would become legal by default, and as far as I know the legislature is just taking a knee and letting the deadline do it instead of having a fight about what the law should say
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Pirate Radar posted:Taiwan’s just waiting for the clock to run out; the court gave the legislature a deadline to pass a gay marriage law or it would become legal by default, and as far as I know the legislature is just taking a knee and letting the deadline do it instead of having a fight about what the law should say This is a classic Taiwanese legislative move. They tried a similar stunt with legalizing prostitution and it ended up with the farce of a law they have now.
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Apr 13, 2018 04:17
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Fleta Mcgurn posted:That girl is hot. What's the female on female version of "plunging"? I believe one of the euphemisms is "polishing mirrors"?  I remember there was one hell of a list of all the slang for it. Pirate Radar posted:Maybe something to do with diving, for the abalone puns "Pearl diving" was another slang.
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Apr 13, 2018 05:30
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Hmmmm, let's look closer quote:foreign-born players Now, more closer 
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Steakandchips posted:Have you plunged her crush yet? Ups_rail posted:what about your old female roomate with the nong brother, what wanted you to give her a baby? MetaJew posted:Oh I can't imagine how much lesbians would upset the 100 million men who will never have a wife.
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Apr 13, 2018 06:19
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Savage For The Winjun posted:current greeks believe this as well This is also true lol. Grand Fromage posted:Because they did. You're right that they thought everyone who didn't speak Greek was a barbarian, but the wars with Persia set up a very explicit east vs west thing that did not exist prior to that. Greeks start to think of Europe as its own thing, different from the east. There was no Europe back then in the cultural or social sense. Ancient Greeks were certainly not lumping themselves in with Thracians and Illyrians, and hell barely even Macedonians. And barely had awareness of what lied beyond that and any given shore area along the Medd. Greeks were thinking of themselves as that distinct entity. quote:The Romans pick this up from them later and run with it and it's been going ever since. What aspects exactly? Grape fucked around with this message at 08:06 on Apr 13, 2018 |
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Greeks are barely Europeans. Are they white now?
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Today, Friday, is Songkran, or Thai "New Year." It has Hindu origins, but along the way they picked up the Chinese zodiac and it's like their version of Spring Festival Chinese New Year. In the 1970s some famous Thai guy was wearing Hawaiian shirts all the time, and people adopted his look for Songkran, so now everyone wears Hawaiian shirts here and it makes no sense. People celebrate by getting rip-roaring drunk, throwing water on each other, and then dying on their motorcycles. So far, from Wednesday and Thursday, 99 people are dead, and more than 1000 injured. I'm keeping up with this chart that Bangkok Post is running, because LOL. https://www.bangkokpost.com/news/general/1445699/songkran-toll-99-dead-1-085-injured-on-roads It has some copy protection so it won't let me post the article, but basically stay off the roads and don't get on or near a motorcycle or motorcycle taxi because everyone is driving drunk and motorcycles account for 80% of the accidents.  As a general rule, I stopped taking motorcycle taxis when less than half the time the guys have or offer a spare helmet for me to wear. I calculated that many times taking a taxi is slower, but the prices are only about a 20 baht difference to the places I go to make sure my head isn't pudding in the road. It's Friday for me, which means working. Usually I take Saturday off and go out all day, but since the places I want to go are probably closed I will do some extra work and go out when everyone goes back to work. I'm the type that tends to avoid going out on all major public holidays anywhere I am, and this has made Thais and non-Thais utterly furious for some reason, like I am insulting the country beyond any other insult possible. On Tinder I have gotten nasty reactions from non-Thais who came all this way to throw water on strangers, as if I am ruining their weekend holiday by shrugging my shoulders and saying I have to work because my company is in US and we don't celebrate Songkran there. Edit: I should add that my dad and Thai family all left the country and won't be back until next week, so I can't even celebrate the holiday in the usual sense with family get-togethers, etc.
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Bajaj posted:Today, Friday, is Songkran, or Thai "New Year." You left out the great part of the thai government trying to ban people riding in the beds of pickup trucks.
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Apr 13, 2018 11:14
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Pirate Radar posted:Greeks are barely Europeans. Are they white now? That is a question that I, as a Greek-American person, cannot determine the answer to. Historically, under immigration law throughout North America (and Australia, IIRC), no. There was enough racial discrimination against Greeks during the early part of the 20th century that my (maternal) grandfather Don Drapered himself when he immigrated and told everyone he was French. The fact that anyone believed him shows you just how ignorant people are. On my maternal grandmother's side, it's even worse because they are Egyptian Greeks and therefore not white enough also by Greek standards. Interesting to note that two of my grandmother's sister married TURKS oh em gee! Their family was very liberal by Greek standards, though, so it wasn't that big of a deal. I'm so white I glow on my own because I'm a halfsie. When I go to big reunions on my mother's side, people ask me if I work there or if I'm someone's girlfriend. My brother, on the other hand, cannot get through airport security without being harassed. I dunno, no one's ever offered me a minority scholarship for being Greek.
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Went to the local 7-11 and watched a handful of children splash each other. My son dove straight in and everyone had a good laugh. A Thai dad nursed a late afternoon beer. Thailand is awesome.
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Songkran is awesome but yes oh my god do not be within five feet of a scooter, tuktuk, or pickup if you can help it
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I wouldn't put China anywhere NEAR worst place to be gay. Of the expat mainlander lads that I plunged only one told me he was in actual danger for being gay. Of course the vast majority of them were glad to be out of China so they could come out and "be their genuine selves" (although in Tokyo they wanted to work so it was right back into the closet lol) but at least they could dance around in a croptop at 3am in Shinjuku Nichome. A few of them were out to friends in China and told me there was some understanding. Often a mix of "well you're still my friend" and "BUT HOW WILL YOU HELP BUILD CHINA'S GREAT FUTURE?" but of those who WERE out, none of them said it was a huge deal. Aside from family, I don't think i met any who were out to family.
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Reader, I married her
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So I understand pretty well how WW2 is viewed and understood in China (Evil Japanese pigdogs raped china and the glorious communist party ousted the demons), but I'm curious as to how much Chinese people know about WW1 if anything at all? Are they taught who was involved, why it started and how? Or is it just seen as a mostly European thing and ignored?
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Apr 13, 2018 13:29
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1911 is a million times more important to them. What they'd care about more than the war itself would be the Treaty of Versailles trying to grant the former German concession to Japan instead of returning it to China. Protests against that kicked off the May Fourth movement which is still kind of a big deal.
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Someone just told me China "isn't racist" so I was wondering, when do you think China will have its first black president?
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Pick posted:Someone just told me China "isn't racist" so I was wondering, when do you think China will have its first black president? Racism is prejudice + power and because Western democracies are mostly populated by white people, they are white, and China has no power. Therefore the Chinese people cannot be racist.
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Grape posted:What aspects exactly? Easterners are followers. They do not value liberty, slaves to strongmen and despots. They are weak and effeminate, not true men. Mystical and irrational. Place little value on life. Weird sex poo poo.
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Grand Fromage posted:are followers. They do not value liberty, slaves to strongmen and despots. They are weak and effeminate, not true men. Mystical and irrational. Place little value on life. Weird sex poo poo. Man this is just literally everybody who isn't me.
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Pick posted:Someone just told me China "isn't racist" so I was wondering, when do you think China will have its first black president? 1271
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Pick posted:Someone just told me China "isn't racist" so I was wondering, when do you think China will have its first black president? It's the world's largest racist ethnostate, since it's bigger than Japan and South Korea.
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LimburgLimbo posted:Racism is prejudice + power and because Western democracies are mostly populated by white people, they are white, and China has no power. Therefore the Chinese people cannot be racist. but if china is a superpower just as strong and powerful as the usa doesn't that overturn this whole assumption since they would also possess power
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LimburgLimbo posted:Racism is prejudice + power and because Western democracies are mostly populated by white people, they are white, and China has no power. Therefore the Chinese people cannot be racist. lol
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Fojar38 posted:but if china is a superpower just as strong and powerful as the usa doesn't that overturn this whole assumption since they would also possess power
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Apr 13, 2018 23:05
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500 is less than 5000, so you are misinform.
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Grand Fromage posted:Easterners are followers. They do not value liberty, slaves to strongmen and despots. They are weak and effeminate, not true men. Mystical and irrational. Place little value on life. Weird sex poo poo. This is basically more or less the profile any place gives Them Bastards and Those Savages. The weak and effeminate thing applying to an enemy perceived as more elitist/domesticated than people, and you swap it out for "violent savage ape people" for when you perceive the other as less sophisticated than your people. My biggest problem with all this though is how it's taking ancient slapfighting disses between civilizations and projecting the post-colonial lens on it, the modern meaning of Orientalism. There's huge differences between the contexts of these things. And of course I'm always hella suspicious of anything talking about modern conceptions of Europe and Asia in any times before 1000 AD or so.
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I dunno if it was Alexander the Great or the Romans but pretty much all western history since then has been trying to relive the glory days, its deep in our cultural DNA.
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dude nucleic acids
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P-Mack posted:1911 is a million times more important to them. What they'd care about more than the war itself would be the Treaty of Versailles trying to grant the former German concession to Japan instead of returning it to China. Protests against that kicked off the May Fourth movement which is still kind of a big deal. Betrayal in Paris: How the Treaty of Versailles Led to China’s Long Revolution by Paul French is a short and good read on the subject. Basically China contributed a large number of “laborers” to the war effort in the expectation that Germany’s concessions would be returned to them after the war only to get dicked over by the Europeans afterward.
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hakimashou posted:I dunno if it was Alexander the Great or the Romans but pretty much all western history since then has been trying to relive the glory days, its deep in our cultural DNA. Most of Europe was tribal guys in face paint worshipping tree gods and Odin and stuff, Rome was a Mediterranean Empire, and Greece even today is half Middle Eastern in culture. It's just around the Renaissance on that Western Europe's internal narrative has gobbled both those things up and tied it to themselves through some half true connections and so on. Italy can get away with more of that, but yeah like ok England, Germany, you are truly heirs of Athens! Sure thang duder!
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I don’t think you can compare racism in modern China to thoughtcrime in the West, because most Chinese don’t have this ingrained idea that thinking a certain way about people who are not like you is unnatural or something to be suppressed. Which makes sense because they never had a civil rights movement, and what little minorities exist in China are so segregated from Han people. In many ways your average Chinese person is prejudiced against people from other towns, or provinces, or even districts of the same city, and doesn’t really think of “black people” as being somehow different from “guangdong people” or “farmers” so the (usually) American idea that thinking or saying anything generalized or negative about a race - which comes from a localized history of slavery, oppression, and struggles for equal rights - simply doesn’t apply to your average mainlander. For example if a 13 year old student tells me “I don’t like black people; they look really ugly” she’s not really saying it from a position of hatred as she’s never really seen black people outside of movies or television, and hasn’t been taught that these thoughts are shameful and never publicly voiced. Nowadays you have people claiming that genital preference is a manifestation of transphobia (sucking your gilfriend’s dick isn’t gay etc) but all of these arguments happened because of western feminism and civil rights and those things are happening differently in China. TL;DR I don’t think 21st century western concepts of racism really apply to modern China. It doesn’t seem to me that Chinese prejudices against other races or nationalities are any more or less strong than their prejudices against other groups of Han Chinese. bad day fucked around with this message at 05:51 on Apr 14, 2018 |
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