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Greyarc posted:
The way I had heard the story as told by a rabbi was that Lilith wanted "kinky non missionary" sex and Adam refused so she went and hosed demons. Adam and Lilith had both been made from clay, Eve was made from Adam's rib not so she'd be subservient but so she'd be the same as him. Instead of having Eve be made from clay and potentially being another Lilith she was made from Adam who had already proven himself to be good. Until they both ate The Fruit of The Tree of The Knowledge of Good and Evil and hosed everything up forever.
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Apr 10, 2018 03:54
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Man they really could have found a better way to bake the backstory in At least someone's willing to talk.
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Apr 10, 2018 04:12
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Oh boy, it's time for my favorite job in the series.  YggiDee posted:I played the gently caress out of this game but completely forgot this entire data dump. Asterisks actually have an in game justification? Dude. Yes, they do. It's a pretty neat thing, honestly, though I wish we got more info on them beyond: - A method of changing Job Classes meant to gently caress over the church. - Can create a barrier to entrap people to fight to the death. Blueberry Pancakes fucked around with this message at 04:34 on Apr 10, 2018 |
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Apr 10, 2018 04:15
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ultrafilter posted:I'm guessing after the fight is when we get into the meat of the exposition. Yuuup. This is about the point where the audience finally starts getting some light shed on the shadowy machinations that have been going on in the background since the start of the story.
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Apr 10, 2018 07:09
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Commander Keene posted:I'd heard a version where both were made from one of Adam's ribs each - thus "explaining" why men have two fewer ribs then women. SloppyDoughnuts posted:The way I had heard the story as told by a rabbi was that Lilith wanted "kinky non missionary" sex and Adam refused so she went and hosed demons. Neat! I know relatively little about Judaism, so I hadn't heard either of these versions.
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Apr 10, 2018 07:41
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Pureauthor posted:Man they really could have found a better way to bake the backstory in Yeah, I'm having mixed feelings about Exposition Castle. Mostly because its place in the story is so super, super awkward. We are right before the Earth Crystal but essentially have to turn heel to open the drat castle. It is optional so of course nothing essential can be hidden in there - even though we are mere moments away from reaching our goal. Which people told us is not a good thing. For reasons no one explains. Most of what we get is backstory on two very, very minor side characters (DeRosso and the sage) along with more of "the orthodoxy is evil, you know" but this time with an added "and it always was evil". So essentially DeRosso told us the same things as Braev but he used way more words to do so.
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Apr 10, 2018 09:24
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Many bits and pieces of the backstory are genuinely interesting, it's a shame the game couldn't find a better way to present them other than a giant infodump near the end of the game. (I assume this is near the end of the game, don't correct me if I'm wrong)
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Apr 10, 2018 20:28
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It’s just so *bad* about how they did it. Here’s this millennia-old person who’s basically been playing a cross between the Boogieman and Satan for most of that time in an attempt to battle back against the Orthodoxy. (somewhat ineffectually until Yulyana showed up) And while the absolute last thing the game needs right now is an unreliable narrator finally being the one providing actual info, instead of giving DeRosso’s actual account any kind of personal flavor he basically gives you a WikiDump about the last 2000 years of world history completely straight- there’s not a perspective-based half-truth in the mix, at least not one that’s ever shown as such by the game or though DeRosso’s (rather blasé) attitude to his own history. He even seems as bored recounting it to the party as Ringabel and Edea are listening to it. Also blah blah religion’s actually evil blah blah history’s written by the winners blah blah if the game finally being this forthcoming with information that can only really mean one thing It’s not going to matter for a single goddamn thing going forward.
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Apr 10, 2018 20:57
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Greyarc posted:Entry 75 - Part 2: *Exposition Continues* I smell another endgame sidequest!
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Apr 10, 2018 21:26
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I think during this exposition my eyes glazed over too. At the very least, you learned that the Orthodoxy was (is?) nothing like the version Agnes knows, and was made up of corrupt people in power. Or people eventually corrupted by power. Who would've guessed.
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Apr 11, 2018 00:05
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It admittedly would have been interesting if DeRosso had received some asides beforehand by Agnes, playing him up as a dark and mysterious enemy of the Crystals... And the resulting reactions when they find his dorky, overly-dramatic self.
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Apr 11, 2018 08:38
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DeRosso actually explaining poo poo makes him one of the better characters in this game.
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Apr 12, 2018 02:04
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There are many things that makes DeRosso the best. The fact that he's capable of having a conversation without jumping to attempted murder first is but one of them.
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Apr 12, 2018 06:13
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I mean, our first introduction to him was him knocking the party out.
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Apr 12, 2018 06:44
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quote:I just want to take a moment to say that this is some top tier stuff, OP. 
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Apr 12, 2018 06:53
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Regalingualius posted:I mean, our first introduction to him was him knocking the party out. So that he could use the interim to tell Braev to talk to his daughter.
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Apr 12, 2018 09:27
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He gave us a history lesson. Kids these days just don't know history. Well, most of the history was probably edited to suit the Orthodoxy.
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Apr 12, 2018 17:15
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EagerSleeper posted:I just want to take a moment to say that this is some top tier stuff, OP. I just saw "the cold never bothered me anyway". Perfect. 
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Apr 12, 2018 18:07
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The same "distilled spirit of the experts" explanation is used for the crystal pieces in FFV (which is probably where XIV got it, too).
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Apr 12, 2018 20:26
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Huh. So the world in its current shape (or at least at the start of the game) was maybe a generation old?
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Apr 13, 2018 03:51
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Entry 75 - Part 3: What's a Fantasy Without a Prophecy? Duke of Darkness, self-made vampire and millenia-old leader of the shadowy assassins, meet your worst enemies: farm boy, vegan nun, forgetful playboy and sugar-addicted shopaholic.  DeRosso, having spent millenia improving his showmanship, floats down from the heavens at the start of combat.  But as we know, he's not all show. One attack can be deadly, as Ringabel demonstrates, and he'll often hit the entire party.  DeRosso is the hardest boss in the game we've met, by far.  I've got no patience to do strategy after all those cutscenes, which is why I don't mind falling back on an old, cheap tactic.  Along with a newer cheap tactic, Templar's Rampart, for a double layer of protection. Better safe than sorry.  DeRosso starts off his abilities with an animation similar to a genome. There's a good reason for this, we'll find out soon.  Battle Thirst steals BP when it actually hits. With Turn Tables providing BP, the party has no lack of turns.  Edea is MVP, hacking away at Lester the vampire with light abilities...  ...But it's Tiz with a precision bonk to the head who gets the finishing blow. We're in asterisk space, dang it, and Tiz wants a new outfit.   The immortal Lester DeRosso has been defeated?Seeing how Tiz is already going through your pockets, going to go with 'yes'.  Tiz hurriedly claims this job for himself.  The Vampire job will be familiar to Final Fantasy fans: it's Bravely Default's blue mage.  DeRosso flinches before he talks. Looks like he's feeling his age for once.  Our reward is behind him: the final painting.  D's Journal: The Vampire Gallery: The Angel posted:The Vampire Gallery 12: It is the angel descended from the heavens during my final battle against Yulyana. An angel? When we last did battle eighteen hundred years ago, the battle raged one hundred days. The mountains of Norende, rent asunder. Knowing the battle was reaching its end, I mustered the last of my strength to cast my greatest of spells. As my final attack surged forth, the angel did descend from the skies over Norende. Are you sure it was an angel? Verily so, for there are no other words to describe her. For a moment, Yulyana and I stood captivated. Before we realized it, our struggle was forgotten. We both tended to the angel. But the angel lost her light. Her wings were shattered, and her body torn asunder. There seemed little hope she would live. What appeal? What did the angel say to you? Ere she passed from this world, she slipped in and out of consciousness over many a day. In between ever-growing periods of unconsciousness, it was all she could do to mutter incoherently. These she would repeat, over and over. When she did come to her senses, she would speak of the calamity that had befallen her. She spoke of how Luxendarc was on the brink of doom, and spoke with precision of the events that has heralded its coming. She herself was surprised to find that she knew of details of our past, and events of the future as well. The struggle between the Old Faith and Orthodoxy, the tragedy that would befall my family, my immortality, even events of the distant future... The distant future? Yes, for the angel spoke of events that have not come to pass even now. Events that await you in your future... She told of a bringer of evil who would appear in the guise of one friendly to the vestals and seduce them into unleashing chaos in the name of awakening the crystals. This evil one would destroy Luxendarc by piercing the boundary that protects this world.  The Great Chasm! The angel told of many other omens ere the Great Chasm would open. "The light of earth shall raise up the north and a deathly plague shall cover all the lands. Then shall a great rift rend the earth."D's Journal: The Vampire Gallery: The Angel posted:"The Angel" 1: More detail on the angel's state, including that the 'angel' was a human. She then entrusted me with a certain task--one that only an immortal such as I could fulfill. What sort of task could only an immortal fulfill? That I cannot say, for she swore me to secrecy. But thereupon she quietly passed from this world. For three days and three nights, my former mortal enemy Yulyana and I spoke of what had transpired. Ultimately, we vowed to join forces to prepare for the coming doom of which the angel had foretold.D's Journal: The Vampire Gallery: The Angel posted:"The Angel" 7: Ringabel mentions several interesting new points here, but arguably the strangest is that the angel looked like Agnès. Maybe it's just a coincidence.   It all started with this fateful meeting.The party's reached the top of the castle and discovered DeRosso's final secret. All that's left to do is leave. But as the party is about to exit the angel chamber, Edea turns back to DeRosso.  Why Yulyana and I forgave the rebel templar, even rendering him aid? Yes.D's Journal: The Vampire Gallery: Parting Ways posted:The Vampire Gallery 13: Yulyana and I conspired in a masquerade. He rose through the Orthodoxy's ranks for vanquishing me, and I went into hiding. That was when the first of the angel's omens came to be. The lands ringing Eternia began to rise. While the second omen, the plague, had not yet come to pass, we continued to watch over the crystals and the Orthodoxy. It was not till thirty years ago that the omens returned as if out of legend. First, the lands ringing Eternia began to rise once more. Ten years later, the Great Plague struck, whereupon I knew the Great Chasm was coming. It was then that we began our preparations to strike. Before the appearance of the Great Chasm, we would assault the temples and seize the crystals. We readied our forces for this plan. I entrusted the task to the templar, a former cleric of the Orthodoxy. He was also to lead the newly mustered host. Father... While far from infallible, that was the best response I could manage for the coming of the Great Chasm. But I was soon faced with another problem, for the Orthodoxy began conspiring to hold the Grand Ritual in a bid to regain authority. The Grand Ritual!? But that is forbidden! It raises the energy long accumulated within a crystal to a cataclysmic level... Indeed, and the templar feared the heavy toll it would exact upon the crystal. He counseled us to dispatch our forces to the head temple with the greatest of haste. Were we to overlook the Grand Ritual and focus upon the coming Great Chasm? Or was the ritual the event that would bring upon the chasm? To wait, or attack...  That is why my father did what he did...? As I said before, the templar is not the sort to send troops into battle over private matters, be they concerned with his wife or not. We threw our backing behind the templar-led forces, for ever did we believe in his tireless resolve and action. That is perhaps but a small link in the great chain of events of which the angel foretold.D's Journal: The Vampire Gallery: Parting Ways posted:"Parting Ways" 1: With that, DeRosso returns to his throne. We're done with Vampire Castle. Some questions were answered, more questions were formed. What does the prophecy mean? What the hell's going on with the angel and the immortality and so on?  But DeRosso's finally sick of chatting, and it's about time we rescued the fourth crystal to save the world and all. Next: Everlast Tower awaits. -- Event Viewer Sub-Scenario: The Final Painting Angel Painting - A Angel Painting - B A Parting of Ways D's Journal: Agnès Oblige posted:After an epic battle, Lord DeRosso showed us a painting of the angel that had descended during his last battle with the sage... It was the spitting image of Agnès. The angel told of the coming of the evil one, who would lead the vestals astray. A great chasm would herald its coming... It seems the angel's omens had set the wheels of fate turning for all of us. D's Journal: Edea Lee posted:Before leaving, Edea asked how Lord DeRosso and Sage Yulyana could forgive the templar for rising in revolt. Lord DeRosso explained the bond of trust between the sage, the templar, and him, and how the templar had acted in the interests of the people of the world. D's Journal: Sage Yulyana posted:After defeating Lord DeRosso on the top floor of Vampire Castle, he showed us the angel painting. He spoke of the angel that descended upon his last battle with the sage at Norende, and how they both heard many terrible secrets regarding the crystals before the wounded angel relinquished life. D's Journal: Braev the Templar posted:Following an intense battle with Lord DeRosso, Edea asked why he and the sage would help the templar after his revolt. It seems that as the angel's omens came to be, the Orthodoxy held a Grand Ritual that placed great strain on the crystals. With DeRosso and the sage busy preparing for the coming Great Chasm, the templar rose up alone to defend the crystals. D's Journal: Lord DeRosso posted:D's Journal: Norende Village posted:Norende Battlewastes: D's Journal: Yulyana Region posted:The Uprising: D's Journal: Everlast Tower posted:The Grand Ritual: 
Greyarc fucked around with this message at 05:01 on Apr 13, 2018 |
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Apr 13, 2018 04:54
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Yeah a bunch of interesting information here.
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Apr 13, 2018 05:34
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So this is where BD's clunkiness of the plot and difficulty in making its story come together starts to really get revealed. ... I bet Alternis must be wondering what the heck's taking us so long.
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Apr 13, 2018 05:38
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I think I've worked it out, and I'd I'm right, were not as close to the endgame as we are being led to assume.
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Apr 13, 2018 05:55
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oh please let the annoying fairy companion be satan pushing us towards the apocalypse.
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Apr 13, 2018 06:00
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So, the words of the angel were really similar as Agnes' words during the initial AR video. The angel bore Agnes pendant. The angel knew the future but was surprised at finding herself in the past. She was totally Agnes. What asterisk do we have with wings? Valkyrie? Maybe an endgame only form for Agnes. Still, the legendary monsters corrupting the crystals are not Eternia's doing, which leads me to speculate that they're instead the crystals' autonomous defense system. I'd like to revise my earlier speculation that the crystals are evil, but awakening them is still a bad idea. "Guise of one friendly to the vestals". Considering we're well into endgame this character must already be known simply because of basic storytelling principles. Edit: FoolyCharged posted:oh please let the annoying fairy companion be satan pushing us towards the apocalypse. It's not anyone in the party unless they pull an hell of unreliable narrator asspull on Tiz; it's not anyone Eternian because they don't count as friendly; it's not DeRosso or the Sage because "Angel" would have recognized them (and there's no point to this optional sequence if it's all lies); all other friendly characters don't have the story weight for this. The only one left is the fairy. Omobono fucked around with this message at 06:25 on Apr 13, 2018 |
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Apr 13, 2018 06:18
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Friendly to the vestals and evil to the core? Got to be Airy. Never liked that fairy.
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Apr 13, 2018 06:21
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I, for one, am appalled at all of this slandering of our fairy friend.Greyarc posted:The Vampire job will be familiar to Final Fantasy fans: it's Bravely Default's blue mage. 
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Apr 13, 2018 07:02
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Oh hey, look! The optional side quest actually has relevance to our main quest! And all DeRosso tells us is... that something bad is about to happen and he can not tell us why or how... God dammit, Bravely Default. I like how the party doesn't even try to press him on the matter. They have given up completely and know that vague references is all they are going to get. It's also super strange what kind of picture the prophecy paints of DeRosso and the sage. Sworn enemies, both full of hatred for each other and what the other stands for. Then a pretty woman comes from the sky, gives a prophecy and everything is forgiven. The first prophecised thing happened and then both sat around for one thousand and seven hundred years just drinking tea and saying "any day now" while waiting for the plague. Ridiculous timeframes are nothing new for RPGs but this is one of the funnier ones since it's such a long-rear end time of nothing happening.
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Apr 13, 2018 07:05
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werbear posted:And all DeRosso tells us is... that something bad is about to happen and he can not tell us why or how... In all fairness, Greyarc posted:
this is actually very good information. He's vague about a number of details, true, but he's at least said something that the Duchy has been incredibly tight-lipped about for no good reason. Blueberry Pancakes fucked around with this message at 07:13 on Apr 13, 2018 |
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Apr 13, 2018 07:10
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Tiz just got an asterisk.... Huh? So can Yulyana make asterisks of anything, or was the orthodoxy offering "vampire" as a profession beforehand? 
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Apr 13, 2018 07:44
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:In all fairness, This is fair. He went above the Duchy's "don't do it because I said so, dumb child" to "something bad will happen". Still pretty bad but not AS bad. Rainuwastaken posted:So can Yulyana make asterisks of anything, or was the orthodoxy offering "vampire" as a profession beforehand? Final Fantasy Wiki posted:While an odd choice, Blue Mages often have a wide range of usefulness due to the varied spells they gain. Lots of utility? Fetch me my belt, I am now the Batman.
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Apr 13, 2018 09:00
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Plot twist: the 'evil person seducing them to awaken the crystals' is actually Agnes. Or more accurately, the person disguised and claiming to be Agnes after it killed the 'angel' and dropped her off in the past.
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Apr 13, 2018 09:01
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It really says something about how likable airy is that so many people instantly agreed with my dumb theory.
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Apr 13, 2018 11:42
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I was hoping you would get the vampire job from DeRosso and I wasn't wrong.
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Apr 13, 2018 16:55
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werbear posted:Oh hey, look! I don't think he actually knows the exact details. Rainuwastaken posted:Tiz just got an asterisk.... Huh? I assume it was actually something like Blue Mage and DeRosso re flavored it to his liking. MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 04:03 on Apr 14, 2018 |
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Apr 14, 2018 04:01
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DeRosso taking the power of Blue Mage, intentionally not wearing blue to make it less recognizable to people, and then using the attacks of demon monsters and the like to make people think he's some kind of unholy monstrosity sounds like exactly the kind of thing he'd do.
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Apr 14, 2018 04:43
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Maybe he started out wearing blue and just got bored with it.
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Okay so yeah here's what I think is going on. Airy is obviously the secret devil, and between the pendant thing, the resemblance to Agnes, and Discount Casanova's convenient amnesia and weird future diary, I'm getting the sense that this is something 'we' have done before and are going to do again. My guess is that because we're poo poo idiot hell fuckers, we're going to awaken the last crystal, WHOOPS EVIL FAIRY, and then wibbly wobbly timey wimey bullshit we have to do it all over again but not evil this time. On the off chance I am right, someone owes me a Coke.
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