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Grey Hunter posted:I'll definitely be doing this! Looking forward to it.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Even in the daytime radar fire control loving rules poo poo I think i recall that the pre-wwii Japanese Navy was considered the best in the world at long range gunnery. They fully expect to land at least 2% of their shots, where as most Navies are pretty content with 1.5%. I also recall reading in some account of Surigao straight that SoDak and Washington were hitting something like 40%. I’m sure I’m off in the exact numbers but the advances in fire control and fire direction were that big of a game changer.
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Murgos posted:I think i recall that the pre-wwii Japanese Navy was considered the best in the world at long range gunnery. They fully expect to land at least 2% of their shots, where as most Navies are pretty content with 1.5%. I also recall reading in some account of Surigao straight that SoDak and Washington were hitting something like 40%. Uh, given South Dakota and Washington weren't even present at Surigao Straight, I can guarantee you're not remembering the account correctly. They were present at the only other battleship-to-battleship duel of the Pacific War - the Second Battle of Guadalcanal. And the account still doesn't fit there, because South Dakota suffered massive electrical failures that crippled her very early in that engagement. And Washington didn't engage until something like 7-8km away, which is literally point-blank range for battleships, even at night. The radar control certainly would have helped, but that 1.5-2% accuracy is most certainly not referring to point-blank firing. If the account really was about Surigao I'd be interested in reading it though, as I've never heard that 40% number. Certainly radar was extremely helpful there (though not remotely needed), but 40% sounds insane even if you have great targeting solutions - just check out battleship shot patterns while shooting at target ships to see what I mean.
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Apr 13, 2018 21:56
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Yeah, 40% is just, waaaaay out there. Like, just accurately finding the range on the first salvo was considered immensely good by anyone's standard at the time. 40% at long range against a maneuvering target would be decent for current day naval guns. Shell flight times and target movement alone are going to seriously impair your hit rate in this, before you get into things like ships being not entirely stable a firing plattform or any inconsistencies with shells or propellants or worn gun barrels etc.
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Apr 13, 2018 22:29
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 98 Japanese fighters scoring exactly one kill. This seems unreasonably bad even given all the various negative factors? I mean 98 planes. They should kill more allied planes just by accident!
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Apr 14, 2018 07:57
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   One of our subs fluffs its strike then gets battered by depth charges.  This is actually a good showing!  We run into a wall of fighters.  Yet somehow get though and get a very good strike in!  It seems my strike planes are taking up the slack from the missing surface raiders.   A normal day in Rangoon.   A pretty good day. I'm just going to have to accept losing 20+ planes a day from now on I think.  Always makes me happy.
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Apr 14, 2018 11:14
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20+ plane losses for 8 Allied planes and the ability to sink ships is far, far more than the Japanese could expect from their air force at this point in 1944.
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Apr 14, 2018 12:09
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With how much we've been battering American logistics, my headcanon for this universe is that Dönitz instead of being in charge of the Kroegsmarine instead became the German naval atache to Japan and helped formulate some of their strategy.
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Apr 14, 2018 14:28
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You actually had an equal loss in airframes. That's basically winning.
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Apr 14, 2018 14:58
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Jimmy4400nav posted:With how much we've been battering American logistics, my headcanon for this universe is that Dönitz instead of being in charge of the Kroegsmarine instead became the German naval atache to Japan and helped formulate some of their strategy. An island hopping campaign needs landing ships and BBs to hammer the shore defenses. Grey's been way better than OTL at killing both.
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Apr 14, 2018 18:23
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Jimmy4400nav posted:With how much we've been battering American logistics, my headcanon for this universe is that Dönitz instead of being in charge of the Kroegsmarine instead became the German naval atache to Japan and helped formulate some of their strategy. Nah, because if he was, the subs wouldn't insist on targeting escort ships over convoy ships.
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Apr 14, 2018 18:23
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Leperflesh posted:
56 of these are Ki-43-IIb. They're armed with a whole two Ho-103s - basically the M1921 Browning .50cal firing the weaker 12.7x81 Breda cartridge - and just so completely outdone by the likes of a late Spitfire especially at high altitude that their only notable contribution in a fight like this is giving the other side more things to shoot at. Like, seriously, Oscars would have been kinda mediocre in 1940. By now they're total deathtraps, and LOL if you stick any even remotely useful pilots into them when you could put those into Tojos or Franks or A6M5s.
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Magni posted:56 of these are Ki-43-IIb. They're armed with a whole two Ho-103s - basically the M1921 Browning .50cal firing the weaker 12.7x81 Breda cartridge - and just so completely outdone by the likes of a late Spitfire especially at high altitude that their only notable contribution in a fight like this is giving the other side more things to shoot at. Like, seriously, Oscars would have been kinda mediocre in 1940. By now they're total deathtraps, and LOL if you stick any even remotely useful pilots into them when you could put those into Tojos or Franks or A6M5s. edit: And when pilots finish their training over China be sure to transfer them out of whatever regiment has Oscars and put them in one with Franks or then the obtrusive UI of WitP:AI will just have them fly over in the Oscars and get slaughtered. CannonFodder fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Apr 14, 2018 |
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Apr 14, 2018 18:58
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  It's mostly these raids in the morning.  We do bag a couple of Liberators though!   At Wake, our guns hit their ships while theirs hit our troops.  The few troops they get ashore are quickly dealt with.  A day of light air losses is nice.
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Apr 14, 2018 19:02
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Feel like Wake is gonna get about as many ship kills as the entire air force come '45
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Apr 14, 2018 19:54
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14 April 1944 Destroyer Ikazuchi sinks after being torpedoed by USS Harder a couple hundred miles from Guam.
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Apr 14, 2018 20:34
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Feels like Grey is on track to win the game. If the Japanese had been pulling off the poo poo that he's doing in 1945, they'd have been ecstatic.
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Apr 14, 2018 22:50
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Zeroisanumber posted:Feels like Grey is on track to win the game. If the Japanese had been pulling off the poo poo that he's doing in 1945, they'd have been ecstatic. I have some bad news.
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Apr 14, 2018 23:15
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What happens to the supply that the allies bring with them(assuming they bring any) when their attack gets wiped out? Do you get to capture their stuff or does it vanish or something?
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Apr 14, 2018 23:24
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CannonFodder posted:That landing ship that Grey put two torpedoes into last update won't be unloading the Navy's Army onto a beach for a while if at all. That ship was also designated as a Landing Ship, Dock, which is one of the most valuable landing ships to sink. I might be thinking of another ship but I'm pretty sure that one of those lets you unload units without them incurring any disruption penalties.
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Apr 14, 2018 23:26
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:Feel like Wake is gonna get about as many ship kills as the entire air force come '45 Those coastal defense gunners have to be some of the highest-decorated soldiers in the empire by now.
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Apr 15, 2018 00:36
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Plek posted:What happens to the supply that the allies bring with them(assuming they bring any) when their attack gets wiped out? Do you get to capture their stuff or does it vanish or something? I think enemy supplies get wiped out. Kinda makes sense - supply includes a lot of stuff that wouldn’t necessarily be compatible between the two forces like guns, bullets, gas (?), vehicles, etc.
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Bold Robot posted:I think enemy supplies get wiped out. Kinda makes sense - supply includes a lot of stuff that wouldn’t necessarily be compatible between the two forces like guns, bullets, gas (?), vehicles, etc. It would make more sense if 25% of the supplies left behind to represent your side using captured enemy rations. Considering the lack of food available to the Japanese Army in pretty much every theater of the war this would make a lot of sense to include it. At the very least, you could say that it staves off the negative supply modifier for one more day by making the supply of J or A Rations last longer 
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Bold Robot posted:I think enemy supplies get wiped out. Kinda makes sense - supply includes a lot of stuff that wouldn’t necessarily be compatible between the two forces like guns, bullets, gas (?), vehicles, etc. That makes sense I suppose, but the grog level of the game would lead one to believe that you could use captured ammo with all those free captured guns sitting around too!
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Apr 15, 2018 05:12
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Last game, Grey kept his forces on Eniwetok, or whatever its called, completely supplied for ages using only J rations delivered to him by means of japanese suicide landings. So im fairly certain you get to capture at least some of it. Besides when you capture an enemy base you also capture most of the supplies so unless theres a difference between a stockpiled bullet and a hand delivered bullet, i doubt its completely incompatable in this game.
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Somewhat off-topic, but are the Takasago Volunteers represented as a unit in the game?
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  More ships burn off Wake.  Allied carriers are spotted in the Marshalls. I wish I could give chase to reduce them to rubble from the sky.  A small landing craft is obliterated by one of our torpedoes.  This one is fully loaded!  Two more Liberators crash.  The afternoon strike sets another ship aflame.   Is it a Liberator? Is it a B-17? No! It's a Superfort!  A new type of Allied bomber is spotted, but it won't stop up sinking their ships!  Even reduced, we are still able to put the hurt on them. And this is good training for our pilots!
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Here comes the B-29s! If they had reach to hit anything of importance hahahah
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Apr 15, 2018 18:01
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Uh oh. I was wondering when they would start showing up.
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RZApublican posted:Somewhat off-topic, but are the Takasago Volunteers represented as a unit in the game? I haven’t played Japan but I would say there’s a decent chance.
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So. Assuming the Allies are still bombing Rangoon on a daily basis. What's even there to bomb anymore? Are they just repeatedly rearranging piles of rubble by now?
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Apr 15, 2018 20:33
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So is it reasonble Grey to build up the air force in china to use for training purposes and Operation Charnel House or is that level of micro beyond what you can sanely do?
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Apr 15, 2018 23:16
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Yes, 40% at Surigao is probably too high. But West Virginia’s action report says that every salvo fired was a straddle from the first to the last. This is as at night at ~20000 yards with both forces moving. There is pretty good evidence that the opening salvo was a hit because a large explosion was reported on the target coincident with the impact. 5% at 20000 yards in the daylight was considered supremely good gunnery. West Virginia was almost certainly doubling that and likely more.
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Apr 16, 2018 01:06
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USS Laffey? The ship that did die?
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Lakedaimon posted:USS Laffey? The ship that did die? Wrong USS Laffey, I think. This one's the Benson-class that did sink historically.
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Murgos posted:5% at 20000 yards in the daylight was considered supremely good gunnery. West Virginia was almost certainly doubling that and likely more. I very much doubt that. USN ships at the time barely broke 10% under ideal exercise conditions. Like, entirely known distance, speed and course of a target that was not trying to evade.
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Are you people certain you're arguing the same thing? One interpretation is 40% of all -_salvos_ resulted in at least one hit (plausible imo), another is 40% of total shots fired. (LOL, no).
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Magni posted:So. Assuming the Allies are still bombing Rangoon on a daily basis. What's even there to bomb anymore? Are they just repeatedly rearranging piles of rubble by now? Making smaller and smaller rubble. It's an alternative path to nuclear weapons as they'll soon be splitting atoms. e: Also it's good to see the Allies are wasting huge amounts of resources on what is surely some giant flying turkey boondoggle. Those things will probably blow up the moment flak looks at them the wrong way. Deep Dish Fuckfest fucked around with this message at 11:03 on Apr 16, 2018 |
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Apr 16, 2018 11:01
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It's beein incorporated into the training corps. The Americans don't assume there's anyone left alive there, and there's no reason to put men in it, so because is uncontested and uninhabited they have been using it for training flights, like at Cape Wrath in the UK
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wedgekree posted:So is it reasonble Grey to build up the air force in china to use for training purposes and Operation Charnel House or is that level of micro beyond what you can sanely do? Using China as a training ground for pilots is a legit strategy that's been used by Japanese players to sustain a competent (if not veteran/elite) pilot pool going into the late war, but I don't think that Grey is up to it (not that I blame him).
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