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Grouchio posted:poo poo how do we make sure Biden doesn't get nominated in 2020? (because Yamete-Biden Sempai) Biden has already disqualified himself; this primary's gonna be rough for him.
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Kavros posted:Trump got elected because I wouldn't date conservative boys on okcupid and/or wouldn't be gracious to hear and nod my head when they describe to me their plan for God keeping bathrooms safe from the predation of transsexogenderals. Sort of. Trump got elected because in a capitalist society the only meaning to be found is in the stuff you own. So as people have watched their economic positions decline they start to feel that their lives are meaningless and without value. As a response to this they desperately seek new meaning elsewhere. For some this will take the form of community involvement or class struggle but for others it will take the form of religion, white nationalism, conspiracy theories or just a nebulous laundry list of grievances against perceived enemies (aka standard conservatism). Neoliberal Democrats have no substantive response to this and force alternatives like socialism and communism out of the debate, and so people like Trump win by default.
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^^^ The biggest cause in this case wasn't people running to Trump, but rather people disengaging from the system who would otherwise lean towards the left (because poorer/disadvantaged people in general lean towards the left). And this is something that has been a gradual process spanning decades (lower voter participation, that is). While poorer people who switched to voting Trump still have an impact, they're a small portion of Trump voters overall, and that perspective ignores the fact that the vast majority of disadvantaged citizens either don't vote or vote Democratic (with a trend towards increasing numbers doing the former). So the absence of an actual left-wing due to the Democrats being bad is still the cause, but the most important effect is more people not voting than it is people running to white supremacists, though that also plays a role (since even a minority of people becoming white supremacist can have a big impact). edit: It's worth mentioning that voter suppression obviously also contributes to this decrease in left-leaning voters. Lightning Knight posted:The Mark Lilla/Third Way version of "identity politics and political correctness are the Real Reason Trump got elected" is the most asinine take on 2016. Yeah, it's somehow an even worse take than the "identity politics are at the cost of economic justice" one, in that it's being used to encourage the Democrats to move right as a whole both rhetorically and policy-wise. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Apr 15, 2018 |
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Trump didn't win because of white nationalism he won because he ran on an anti-establishment campaign against "america's already great" while income inequality continues to skyrocket. He was literally the lesser evil and has done more damage to the "establishment" than Hillary could have ever dreamed of. Plus we get to let the Democrats have another chance to nominate someone worth voting for sooner. Witnessing Trump make a mockery of the office and exposing Obama's years as worthless at best is a necessary growing pain for the Democratic base.
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Grouchio posted:poo poo how do we make sure Biden doesn't get nominated in 2020? (because Yamete-Biden Sempai) Photos of him putting his hands all over every woman he stands next to.
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The dumbest specific "identity politics lost the election" take I can recall from D&D is someone managing to reverse causality and say Obama went too fast with the bathroom issue. Though immediately post-election D&D was a trashfire in general and I know people who got pushed out of bothering over being told that people like them (and not in an ideological sense) are why Trump won. Motto fucked around with this message at 18:32 on Apr 15, 2018 |
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self unaware posted:Trump didn't win because of white nationalism he won because he ran on an anti-establishment campaign against "america's already great" while income inequality continues to skyrocket. He was literally the lesser evil and has done more damage to the "establishment" than Hillary could have ever dreamed of. Plus we get to let the Democrats have another chance to nominate someone worth voting for sooner. Witnessing Trump make a mockery of the office and exposing Obama's years as worthless at best is a necessary growing pain for the Democratic base. Huh. Accelerationism is still a thing.
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https://twitter.com/kthalps/status/985510283635576832 i don't know if it's real, but i want it to be
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Condiv posted:https://twitter.com/kthalps/status/985510283635576832 Bill Murray praised the Parkland kids so while this is ideologically much farther along its not entirely out of step with his public politics as of recently. I hope it’s real too because more reasons for Bill Murray to own.  Surprise! SESTA/FOSTA weren’t thought through very much.
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Lightning Knight posted:Bill Murray praised the Parkland kids so while this is ideologically much farther along its not entirely out of step with his public politics as of recently. I hope it’s real too because more reasons for Bill Murray to own. That's not a benefit of the doubt you should give to the people who helped pass this. You know how 'distraction' gets thrown around a lot these days by people who suddenly forgot politics existed until roughly a year ago? This is the type of thing that's intended to fly under the radar by virtue of being oh so overwhelmingly bipartisan and surely nobody would come out in argument for prostitution?! ded redd fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Apr 15, 2018 |
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Like just look at the one 'dissenter' among the ranks of senate Democrats, they know the damage this does to free speech and internet freedom and that is exactly why having nearly the entire chamber voting to pass it helps provide cover for partisan trash.
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Apr 15, 2018 19:24
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Office Pig posted:Like just look at the one 'dissenter' among the ranks of senate Democrats, they know the damage this does to free speech and internet freedom and that is exactly why having nearly the entire chamber voting to pass it helps provide cover for partisan trash. it is amazing to me that the main criticism of this bill is "my free speech" instead of "this bill will actually make sex workers less safe"
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botany posted:it is amazing to me that the main criticism of this bill is "my free speech" instead of "this bill will actually make sex workers less safe" There's that, as well, but I felt as if that had been covered well enough the last time this bill was passed, brought up and promptly forgotten about.
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Without any ambiguity this is legislation whose stated purpose is inevitably just going to wind up getting people killed in ways that were entirely preventable and the fact over 90 senators felt like this was a moral hill to die on is an embarrassing indictment of our government.
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Office Pig posted:Without any ambiguity this is legislation whose stated purpose is inevitably just going to wind up getting people killed in ways that were entirely preventable and the fact over 90 senators felt like this was a moral hill to die on is an embarrassing indictment of our government. There's no "wind up" about it, it's already happened.
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Office Pig posted:Without any ambiguity this is legislation whose stated purpose is inevitably just going to wind up getting people killed in ways that were entirely preventable and the fact over 90 senators felt like this was a moral hill to die on is an embarrassing indictment of our government. But I need to be tough on crime to get elected! *sweeps millions of black inmates under a rug*
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Grouchio posted:poo poo how do we make sure Biden doesn't get nominated in 2020? (because Yamete-Biden Sempai) He's already thrown somebody out of his event for calling him out on it. It's coming.
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Nonsense posted:He's already thrown somebody out of his event for calling him out on it. It's coming. I don't think I've seen this, or at the least I've forgotten about it. Got a link?
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https://twitter.com/AFP/status/985594653075439616 Incidentally Macron has been giving his country an "It's not war if I say it's not" speech.
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Office Pig posted:https://twitter.com/AFP/status/985594653075439616 Mission Accomplished! 
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Office Pig posted:https://twitter.com/AFP/status/985594653075439616 https://twitter.com/samknight_one/status/985605957869801472?s=21
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Condiv posted:i don't know if it's real, but i want it to be Quoting this again to say that I don't think this is real, or at least I'm seeing the same quote being posted to Twitter with multiple different attributions and sources. I'm sure somebody said that, but unfortunately I doubt it was Bill Murry. Edit: Here have cute pictures of Glenn Greenwald's dog shelter staffed by homeless people to get them income.  https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/985506810361712640 https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/985507352773382145 https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/985508311914164229 Lightning Knight fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Apr 15, 2018 |
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aBagorn posted:Huh. Accelerationism is still a thing. We're living in accelerationism, it sure as poo poo is a thing.
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Hey USPOL, wanna hear a joke? https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/985680354592935938
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Lightning Knight posted:Hey USPOL, wanna hear a joke? Saw Hugh Hewitt, closed tab immediately.
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Office Pig posted:Saw Hugh Hewitt, closed tab immediately. The joke is that I thought WaPo was in any way not trash like the NYT is. 
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btw hugh hewitt is a thin skinned motherfucker if you want to annoy him on twitter
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hugh hewitt is what the aliens look like when you put on the glasses
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Lightning Knight posted:Hey USPOL, wanna hear a joke? 
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Wait what? Is he the world's tallest politician?
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Grouchio posted:Wait what? Is he the world's tallest politician? I mean, he wasn't a politician, he was a cop. Now he is an acclaimed novelist and professional Rich White Republican Man on hand to tell us that Other Rich White Republican Men are bad (but not him, pls buy his book, ps I never supported torture or the extralegal monitoring of Muslim people liberal media LIES!).
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Lightning Knight posted:I mean, he wasn't a politician, he was a cop. Now he is an acclaimed novelist and professional Rich White Republican Man on hand to tell us that Other Rich White Republican Men are bad (but not him, pls buy his book, ps I never supported torture or the extralegal monitoring of Muslim people liberal media LIES!).
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Grouchio posted:Answer my question silly. Nobody seems to keep a record of tallest politicians generally, but the tallest presidents were Lincoln and LBJ (tied at 6'4), followed by Trump at 6'3, according to Google.
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Grouchio posted:Answer my question silly. e: I was wondering too, the third link down says our tallest world leader is the president of Montenegro, Filip Vujanović, at 6'7". treasured8elief fucked around with this message at 08:02 on Apr 16, 2018 |
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