Plutonis posted:

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/984832675302330369

Glad that the west doesn't have propaganda that twists history to their own hands

rudatron posted:

the only good thing the british did was retreat

Slugnoid posted:

australia tied up the japanese in the pacific and stopped them from invading america, letting the americans fight in europe, ipso facto australia won ww2

SplitSoul posted:

Having seven years prior lost a war to emus.

Slugnoid posted:

australia tied up the japanese in the pacific and stopped them from invading america, letting the americans fight in europe, ipso facto australia won ww2

Slugnoid posted:

hey man i was just having a light hearted joke. no need to bring up EW1

A Handed Missus posted:

R. Mute posted:

https://twitter.com/CharmingGrump/status/984899840189476864

R. Mute posted:

https://twitter.com/CharmingGrump/status/984899840189476864

Mycroft Holmes posted:

Darkman Fanpage posted:

tbf it wasnt capitalism that took the us to the moon it was nazi scientists

Man Musk posted:

https://twitter.com/bonniemalkin/status/985004592835444736

Plutonis posted:

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/984832675302330369

Glad that the west doesn't have propaganda that twists history to their own hands

HorrificExistence posted:

I mean this is 100%. If the British agreed to peace with honor after France fell, I think the Germans would have won in the Soviet Union.

HorrificExistence posted:

I mean this is 100%. If the British agreed to peace with honor after France fell, I think the Germans would have won in the Soviet Union.

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Too long didn't scroll : Idealistic differences do not need to divide us, partisan politics are bad.

I have a theory about the method that political parties use to get votes.

Picture, if you will, this vile and cruel pastime: a group of persons devoid of decency pit two animals - that in the wild may have formed a pack and pursued survival and life along side one another - against each other in brutal combat. The ring is set; a scrap of meat long withheld from either creature dropped in the center; a barrier preventing escape around edge. The beasts, made desperate by starvation and cruelty, have one choice. They must fight or die. The organizers place bets, and if the dog they chose is vicious enough and strong enough, they profit.

The organizers are the political parties, and the scrap of meat represents the current issues.

By refusing to do anything about these highly important issues, they starve the various ideals of the people (in this metaphor, the dogs) to the point where bringing up the topic provokes an extreme and violent response. The parties then take bets on which side of the issue will provoke the stronger group of voters, and on which side will become the most vicious.

Division and mutual hatred between people of differing ideals is not a side effect of partisan politics, it is the modus operandi of partisan politics.

As the people grow more and more hungry for the important issues to be addressed, the political parties need less and less effort to divide the people. The scraps get leaner, and the dogs get more violent. the last election showed how little needs to be done to create bitter hatred among the voters, and how neither candidate has to be even slightly similar to what the people want.

This needs to be stopped.

There is a saying about voting that refers to choosing the lesser of two evils. That saying acknowledges the fact that we can not always choose what is purely good and right, but it ignores the fact that we the people, by our complacent cooperation with the partisan political system, have forced ourselves into this mess.

We need to stop this system before it goes any further.
I propose here these methods for ending the fight:

1. Refuse to donate any money to any political party, and encourage others to do the same.We must reduce the profits gained from being turned against each other.

2.
Refuse to hate someone for their opinions, no matter how valid or invalid they may be.
learn to disagree and stand by your beliefs without looking down on those who believe differently. whether a person is SJW or a Nazi, don't legitimize their hate by hating them back. odds are, they formed such extreme opinions because only the vicious dogs get the chance to fight for food, and the less aggressive dogs don't get fed.

3.
Spend time with people you disagree with.
Don't create an echo chamber around yourself. You must be willing to change your mind, and you must be willing to say you were wrong. Stand by your beliefs, but make sure to check that they are built on a good foundation.

4.
Seek understanding.
Do not immediately dismiss someone as being on the other side. Instead, do your absolute best to examine their beliefs and your beliefs carefully.

I do not consider republicans or democrats to be the enemy, I consider the actions of such political groups to be the enemy. I do not think that the dogfight was started intentionally, I believe that it is a result of having political parties at all. While the actions of a person are complex and meaningful, the actions of a group are subject to mass compromise, and the result is simple and merely instinctive.

I am not saying not to vote for the candidates produced by political parties, I am saying that support of a party rather than support of an individual from a party is a compromise that no one should make.

Chillgamesh posted:

The Germans were going to get loving crushed by the Soviets even before you figure in Lend-Lease, my dude

HorrificExistence posted:

The British and Americans would have supported the Nazis if peace was made in 1939-40

Venom Snake posted:

frankenfreak posted:

Help! The MilHist thread is leaking!

frankenfreak posted:

Help! The MilHist thread is leaking!

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

Counter-factual history is dumb and boring and is like wondering whether German flying-saucer jets would've turned that doohickey around.

Edit: posting a pic