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chromebooks dont really cost much less than cheap windows laptops, and a decent grip of the sorts schools buy a lot of cost more than comparable windows laptops.
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I had a friend in college with one of the OLPC green machines; I think they had some Toms bogo thing at some point?
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-model-3/tesla-says-model-3-production-shut-down-temporarily-idUSKBN1HN347?il=0"quote:workers were expected to use vacation days or stay home without pay during the four- to five-day production pause.
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Just-In-Timeberlake posted:https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-model-3/tesla-says-model-3-production-shut-down-temporarily-idUSKBN1HN347?il=0" lol
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Just-In-Timeberlake posted:https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-model-3/tesla-says-model-3-production-shut-down-temporarily-idUSKBN1HN347?il=0" at old job, when our office got moved, this is what they expected us to do.
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Just-In-Timeberlake posted:https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-model-3/tesla-says-model-3-production-shut-down-temporarily-idUSKBN1HN347?il=0" iirc even toyota pulled this trick with their temps/contractors (georgetown camry plant) the temps at ford (louisville truck plant) were full union members and weren't jerked around like that though. if they were hired for a period of time they got paid for that period of time
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Apr 17, 2018 02:05
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yeah, just standard 
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fishmech posted:chromebooks dont really cost much less than cheap windows laptops, and a decent grip of the sorts schools buy a lot of cost more than comparable windows laptops. thats touching on what i remember being one of the olpc sticking points; they also dont run software people want to learn (office software, for example), so those cheap windows laptops with some student office deal lead to marketable skills, while chromebooks lead to people that can use the suite of google products. i mean sure ms has web versions but id guess those are more in name and basic than anything
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Apr 17, 2018 02:12
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it's not just "office software" that people are interested in -- it's Microsoft Office, full stop. people in uruguay or chad or cambodia are quite aware that the computer jobs all use Microsoft software and all the hairy goons claiming that LibreOffice is totally the same! don't exactly make a compelling case. especially when you can get windows and word for a few pesos from the guy at the night market
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Apr 17, 2018 02:17
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Agile Vector posted:thats touching on what i remember being one of the olpc sticking points; they also dont run software people want to learn (office software, for example), so those cheap windows laptops with some student office deal lead to marketable skills, while chromebooks lead to people that can use the suite of google products. they want to bring their kids into the global technological mainstream not strand them in some weird techno ghetto for poors marked "sugar/mesh"
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Apr 17, 2018 02:17
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also they want running water and power and schools
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the same thing happened with the tata nano, the $1500 car in india. it's a brilliant piece of engineering -- not a fantastic car, but a hell of an achievement -- but, shockingly, people don't want to be seen in The Cheapest Car On The Planet. they would rather continue to ride motorcycles until they can get a Real Car with a radio and a trunk that opens from outside and a fuel filler that's not inside the engine bay, like the rest of the world drives.
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Apr 17, 2018 02:21
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Shaggar posted:also they want running water and power and schools that too
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Shaggar posted:also they want running water and power and schools you can want two things i'm sure the olpc people would have gotten plenty more takers if they were airdropping cheap dells instead
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Sagebrush posted:the same thing happened with the tata nano, the $1500 car in india. it's a brilliant piece of engineering -- not a fantastic car, but a hell of an achievement -- but, shockingly, people don't want to be seen in The Cheapest Car On The Planet. they would rather continue to ride motorcycles until they can get a Real Car with a radio and a trunk that opens from outside and a fuel filler that's not inside the engine bay, like the rest of the world drives. just slap a Jaguar logo on it
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JawnV6 posted:just slap a Tesla logo on it FTFY
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Sagebrush posted:you can want two things didn't they try that
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ate all the Oreos posted:didn't they try that IIRC MS was willing to do something akin to this (to try to cut down on piracy and botnetting I guess?) but I think the OLPC people went all  on them?
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In 2008 Microsoft did start providing licenses for Windows XP for the OLPC project and a bunch were deployed running that with ports of the special OLPC apps. Those models with it were kinda popular but it was also the point where similar capability regular laptops from china or whatever were really pushing down margins with netbooks being big, so it didnt get too big a bunch of olpc supporters got mad about it and left the project but the olpc project continued to do it
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Bhodi posted:yeah, just standard yup nothing out of the ordinary here for american capitalism i had a friend who got a job fresh out of college with the contractor that makes nasa’s spacesuits and he always complained when the production line shut down once a year in october or something and the company mandated that all the employees spend about a third of their yearly vacation days on that shutdown
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my company does a shutdown week between xmas and new year's. so you get like 4 working days off with pay, but you only get them if you have been with the company for at least a year. otherwise it's 1 day per quarter you've worked there. it's kinda annoying because we'll hire people toward the end of the year, and they hear about the holiday week and get excited, and we have to remind them that oh actually you don't get those days and in fact you're probably gonna need to take unpaid time off because you haven't accumulated enough pto yet sorry  e: you are not allowed to just work the days anyway (even though this would be possible in almost all cases). the office is shut down
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DELETE CASCADE posted:my company does a shutdown week between xmas and new year's. so you get like 4 working days off with pay, but you only get them if you have been with the company for at least a year. otherwise it's 1 day per quarter you've worked there. it's kinda annoying because we'll hire people toward the end of the year, and they hear about the holiday week and get excited, and we have to remind them that oh actually you don't get those days and in fact you're probably gonna need to take unpaid time off because you haven't accumulated enough pto yet sorry due to the new tax cuts, our company has saved a bazillian dollars. here's your one time $1000 bonus check. only if you've been here for 20 years and have never taken a day off. your welcome.
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DELETE CASCADE posted:my company does a shutdown week between xmas and new year's. so you get like 4 working days off with pay, but you only get them if you have been with the company for at least a year. otherwise it's 1 day per quarter you've worked there. it's kinda annoying because we'll hire people toward the end of the year, and they hear about the holiday week and get excited, and we have to remind them that oh actually you don't get those days and in fact you're probably gonna need to take unpaid time off because you haven't accumulated enough pto yet sorry they don't even let people borrow pto for it? lame as hell
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Apr 17, 2018 03:28
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i'm not sure if adp will even let us have a negative pto balance
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DELETE CASCADE posted:my company does a shutdown week between xmas and new year's. so you get like 4 working days off with pay, but you only get them if you have been with the company for at least a year. otherwise it's 1 day per quarter you've worked there. it's kinda annoying because we'll hire people toward the end of the year, and they hear about the holiday week and get excited, and we have to remind them that oh actually you don't get those days and in fact you're probably gonna need to take unpaid time off because you haven't accumulated enough pto yet sorry my company did this for years, so the standard package was two weeks vacation plus the free week. then they converted to pto, so they gave us another week to substitute for lost sick time. and then they started offering all new hires two weeks. ten days. six days of which were mandatory off time in the holidays. and i had five weeks thanks to grandfathering and seniority. lol
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lol i had to look this up but apparently our pto accrual is 96 hours/year for < 2 years of service, so that's 12 days. then for 2-10 years it's 15 days. 10+ years get 20 days. this is not including the holiday week we also have 3 sick days that are counted separate from pto, i'm not sure if this is a california law thing? there have been several instances where people saved up their 3 weeks and combined with the holiday week to take all of december off and go back to india or china or wherever. management does not like this one bit
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Apr 17, 2018 03:37
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try academia on for size! i only have to come in to work about 10 months of the year. (and i get paid like it too)
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Sagebrush posted:try academia on for size! i effectively only work 10 months of the year. lol if you don’t find funding for summer salary
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i get paid in the summer, just that i could probably be making like double my current rate if i switched to industry. decisions decisions VVV yeah i rephrased it
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i did try academia and my experience as a grad student was that the supposed vacation time between undergrad instruction periods was actually when the majority of research work got done
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Sagebrush posted:the same thing happened with the tata nano, the $1500 car in india. it's a brilliant piece of engineering -- not a fantastic car, but a hell of an achievement -- but, shockingly, people don't want to be seen in The Cheapest Car On The Planet. they would rather continue to ride motorcycles until they can get a Real Car with a radio and a trunk that opens from outside and a fuel filler that's not inside the engine bay, like the rest of the world drives. I would totally buy a nano if they offered it here; seems like the ultimate city car (so long as you don't get in a wreck)
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DELETE CASCADE posted:there have been several instances where people saved up their 3 weeks and combined with the holiday week to take all of december off and go back to india or china or wherever. management does not like this one bit this is lame and stupid since that is the only way to make a trip home reasonable due to at least a week being used to travel we have a generous vacation policy and several coworkers use it this way and it's fine, some try to work remotely to spread the time longer and not affect projects if their manager is cool with it (some are). one guy had to travel to India twice in a year to prepare for and then have his wedding so it would have been nearly impossible otherwise were also not primarily a tech company despite our tech being massive so we're both insulated against some of the more hostile vacation trends and stuck in some legacy industry practices
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DELETE CASCADE posted:lol i had to look this up but apparently our pto accrual is 96 hours/year for < 2 years of service, so that's 12 days. then for 2-10 years it's 15 days. 10+ years get 20 days. this is not including the holiday week I'm surprised you actually get separate sick time. Modern companies are trying to kill vacations/sick time by merging them together under the guise of 'freedom!'. My job sucks but the benefits haven't changed in decades. 4 weeks vacation, 8 sick days a year, 4 'personal' days(meaning I can call in and say that I really don't feel like working 4 times a year). Probably because my company is Japanese.
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Peachfart posted:I'm surprised you actually get separate sick time. Modern companies are trying to kill vacations/sick time by merging them together under the guise of 'freedom!'. my last job you had to work 10 years before you were given 4 weeks vacation, and then it capped out. they rolled sick days and personal days into one group, and you were allowed 24 hours. hope you don't actually get sick, lol
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Apr 17, 2018 04:21
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Anything less than 15 vacation days and 10 sick days is unconscionable.
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i was especially pissed about the OLPC deal with microsoft in light of their earlier holier-than-thou attitude about telling Apple and their free OSX licenses to gently caress off a bunch of ruggedized mac clones that could run stock Office and other commercial software while shipping with a full unix environment would have been a way better compromise than the world's shittiest windows xp netbooks
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Internet Janitor posted:i was especially pissed about the OLPC deal with microsoft in light of their earlier holier-than-thou attitude about telling Apple and their free OSX licenses to gently caress off lol os x loving sucks and inflicting that on the third world would be a war crime the linux was already at least a minor crime but os x would be the full hitler
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world's shittiest netbooks couldn't run osx office either though
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I lost 3 vacation days but gained 7 sick days in my job switch. 12 of each now.
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