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bewbies posted:I think some Russian WWII enormo-tank used separate round and charge but it was a big pain in the rear end. No doubt someone in this thread knows more on this subject. IS-2s had two piece ammo for their 122mm gun.
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The 152mm rounds, in addition to being huge, have inferior ballistics to modern sabot rounds. The M1 Abrams' gun and fire control system are so accurate and easy to use that hitting even a moving target is like having cheat codes turned on.
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bewbies posted:A 152/155mm round weighs almost 100 pounds by itself, and has to be loaded separate from its powder charge. An 829 sabot round weighs about half that including powder and casing. The said aforementioned 152mm gun did. In addition to the overall bulk/mass of the assembled package, the shell's like 100 pounds and the propellant's about 10, so in addition to being really heavy for just a single guy to move around the CG is all at one end, it'd be awkward as gently caress to move around. Russian autoloaders work with separate shell/propellant systems: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTzobtVjqPs 120mm's pretty much at the limit of human loaders. Rheinmetall has a 130mm gun design, but that requires an autoloader. For a while the Army was doing research into liquid propellants, with the idea being a human would just have to worry about loading the shell and the computer would inject an appropriate amount of propellant behind it before firing, so you could go to a larger shell size without needing an autoloader. But they never got it working safely or reliably and I think they gave up.
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13th KRRC War Diary, 15th Apr 1918 posted:The same working party was found again, and completed early. 13th KRRC War Diary, 16th Apr 1918 posted:Some casualties were sustained by A and B Coys. owing to the enemy shelling the various batteries which surround us here.
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I would guess the payload of the 152mm shell would also, iirc, cause havok with the magazine blowout system the Abrams has. Probably real tough to design something like that around a payload that honkin' big.
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Cessna posted:I was in an armor crewman, but I was never in a tank that was hit by a heavy round like a tank shell or an ATGM. You better believe the Soviets tested this. http://tankarchives.blogspot.ca/2017/03/under-pressure-part-2.html?m=1 bewbies posted:A 152/155mm round weighs almost 100 pounds by itself, and has to be loaded separate from its powder charge. An 829 sabot round weighs about half that including powder and casing. Less of a pain in the rear end than the alternative. German 105 mm tank guns would have required this as well. The 8.8 cm KwK 43 shell was pushing the boundary of what one person can load effectively. Even though this is not a problem in Russian tanks anymore, separate propellant allows storing rounds in a carousel autoloader while keeping the height of the hull low.
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Ensign Expendable posted:You better believe the Soviets tested this. "Any volunteers? Anyone?"
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WW2 Data The last of the ground pyrotechnics is up. We get yet another warning to wear a helmet for a certain munition. How far away should a trip mine be placed from the front-lines? What device is used to strap a trip-wire flare to a tree and what should the whole assembly look like? Which flares are useful for airplanes, and why? All that and more at the blog!
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Jobbo_Fett posted:I'm sorry, its just my wehraboo tendencies or whatever. By design, my reply was meant to be rude. Thus making it better armed and armored than most contemporary Japanese combat aircraft. Hmmm? Say again? Oh, a *Japanese* light tank. Never mind...
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how can one man be so italian edit: i can't get this gif of mussolini to embed so pretend mussolini was hand talking exaggeratedly like an italian Mycroft Holmes fucked around with this message at 06:13 on Apr 17, 2018 |
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Mycroft Holmes posted:
Italians do not act like this, he is putting on a show, as fascists are wont to do Slim Jim Pickens fucked around with this message at 07:16 on Apr 17, 2018 |
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Mycroft Holmes posted:
This is just stagemanship. Remember, most people in the crowd will be too far away to read normal expressions, so exaggerated expressions and movements help convey the message to more people. Stage actors do this, too. It'sa good show
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Clarence posted:Then why bother with fancy APFSDS rounds from a 120mm-ish gun, if a 152mm tank gun from 70 years ago can kill anything? Or is it because the HE shell is much less likely to hit because of it's lower velocity? I mean, the US did actually try this - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M551_Sheridan And yeah, turns out it's hard to get a hit. No autoloader, as far as I can tell, but they did use fancy caseless ammunition which presumably weighs less? feedmegin fucked around with this message at 10:16 on Apr 17, 2018 |
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Mycroft Holmes posted:
https://i.imgur.com/EuW7VHu.gifv Just paste the link to the video file. It won't embed in the preview but it will when you post.
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Geisladisk posted:This is just stagemanship. Remember, most people in the crowd will be too far away to read normal expressions, so exaggerated expressions and movements help convey the message to more people. Stage actors do this, too. It can slip into your daily life though. I’m a HUGE hand talker because I developed the habit teaching, more or less for the same reason old politicians did: so they get the message in the cheap seats. It’s worse for me because i got my start teaching ESL and Pantomime plays a big part in that.
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Cyrano4747 posted:It can slip into your daily life though. I’m a HUGE hand talker because I developed the habit teaching, more or less for the same reason old politicians did: so they get the message in the cheap seats. I'm a bad hand talker too. My friend often does poo poo like high five me when I start making gestures.
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chitoryu12 posted:I'm a bad hand talker too. My friend often does poo poo like high five me when I start making gestures. My wife just goes "what was that again?" when I have some crazy pantomime for something like the concept of taking the garbage out and makes me do it again.
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feedmegin posted:I mean, the US did actually try this - Check out this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFGhY88hOnI Loading looks horrible.
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feedmegin posted:I mean, the US did actually try this - We built a tank whose command could say, with only a little poetic license, "He's too close for missiles, I'm switching to guns." We should have declared victory there. Instead we tried to show that the whole gimmick actually worked, and it all fell apart.
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I had someone try to tell me the M1 Bazooka could penetrate any tank anywhere aside from composite/spaced armor because "that's how HEAT works" and "all HEAT weapons had the same pentration power against RHA" based on watching tv documentaries on youtube.
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Cessna posted:Check out this video: The Sheridan was just a load of problems, and that gun had a lot to do with them. It used caseless single-piece ammo, but the propellant and shell liked to separate accidentally during loading and crews would usually just throw the bad rounds on the floor during combat. Then you had an aluminum hull because you wanted a parachute-deployable light tank, which was incredibly easy for RPGs and mines to penetrate. Combine that with a bunch of propellant scattered on the floor, and you have tanks running over mines or getting hit by rockets and just turning into instant fireballs. And it looks like the brass catcher for the coax isn't that great at catching anything.
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Panzeh posted:I had someone try to tell me the M1 Bazooka could penetrate any tank anywhere aside from composite/spaced armor because "that's how HEAT works" and "all HEAT weapons had the same pentration power against RHA" based on watching tv documentaries on youtube. Ask him what happens when you shoot a bazooka at the ground
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Fangz posted:Ask him what happens when you shoot a bazooka at the ground Or at the sun...
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chitoryu12 posted:Combine that with a bunch of propellant scattered on the floor, and you have tanks running over mines or getting hit by rockets and just turning into instant fireballs. Yeah, this tells you all you need to know about the M-551:
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Fangz posted:Ask him what happens when you shoot a bazooka at the ground I can't talk about the top secret weapons to bombard japan. Also things you can learn from youtube: RPGs are ineffective against aluminium- well that one's a blacktail/mike sparks oldie, but still hilarious as gently caress
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Granddads WWII memoirs, parts 5-9 - Back to school, again and again. Earlier posts: Part 1 Parts 2-3 Part 4 As promised, here's the next part of my grandfathers wartime memoirs. This post isn't that interesting compared to some of the later stuff, since it's mostly about the various kinds of training he had before taking part in the actual war. Still, I'm translating and posting them for the sake of completeness. quote:5. War academy in Halle Next time - a trip to Russia!
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chitoryu12 posted:The Sheridan was just a load of problems, and that gun had a lot to do with them. It used caseless single-piece ammo, but the propellant and shell liked to separate accidentally during loading and crews would usually just throw the bad rounds on the floor during combat. Then you had an aluminum hull because you wanted a parachute-deployable light tank, which was incredibly easy for RPGs and mines to penetrate. Combine that with a bunch of propellant scattered on the floor, and you have tanks running over mines or getting hit by rockets and just turning into instant fireballs. Why the gently caress do they have a brass catcher? I doubt the us mil is into reloading
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Panzeh posted:Also things you can learn from youtube: RPGs are ineffective against aluminium- well that one's a blacktail/mike sparks oldie, but still hilarious as gently caress Sparks is an idiot:
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Cyrano4747 posted:Why the gently caress do they have a brass catcher? I doubt the us mil is into reloading So you don't slip and fall on the brass rolling around inside the turret. It also, more importantly, keeps the spend brass from falling into something important like the traverse motor and jamming it.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Why the gently caress do they have a brass catcher? I doubt the us mil is into reloading If the floor of the turret gets covered in used casings it can become a significant inconvenience. People can slip up and trip, it can jam things up, it can get in your way as you try to access new shells, and so on.
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feedmegin posted:I mean, the US did actually try this - Low velocity also gets you a smaller projectile weight, since the steel case doesn't need to be thick enough to withstand the acceleration of a real gun. HEAT round for the Sheridan was only about 50lbs.
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feedmegin posted:https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/03/poor-wench-mans-clothes-english-civil-war-cross-dressers quote:The Edinburgh-trained army surgeon James Barry lived his whole adult life, public and private, as a man, yet his most recent biographers in 2016 still called him ‘a woman ahead of her time’....
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Fangz posted:If the floor of the turret gets covered in used casings it can become a significant inconvenience. People can slip up and trip, it can jam things up, it can get in your way as you try to access new shells, and so on. And the general discomfort of hot brass raining down on you as you try to do your job underneath the machine gun.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Why the gently caress do they have a brass catcher? I doubt the us mil is into reloading Brass is important to recycle, I have a document where a German commander is scolding his unit for doing dumb poo poo like making ashtrays and wind chimes instead of turning theirs in. Although more often than not it was just chucked out of the tank. One of my favorite requirements stories is about the British asking the Americans to get rid of the pistol ports on the Sherman, then asking them to put them back in since it turned out the loaders liked chucking spent brass out of them.
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Reminds me of the Cavalry Maiden. Even after being outed she supposedly kept wearing male clothing and referring to herself using masculine forms. The Russian wikipedia has an anecdote about her getting a letter from her son asking for her blessings to marry. Due to adressing her as "mamen'ka" (more or less "mommy") she burned it unread. A second letter adressed to her male alias "Aleksandr Andrejevitsj" received a favourable reply. There was even a musical based on the story: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBOsCol39AM
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Kopijeger posted:Reminds me of the Cavalry Maiden. Even after being outed she supposedly kept wearing male clothing and referring to herself using masculine forms. The Russian wikipedia has an anecdote about her getting a letter from her son asking for her blessings to marry. Due to adressing her as "mamen'ka" (more or less "mommy") she burned it unread. A second letter adressed to her male alias "Aleksandr Andrejevitsj" received a favourable reply. There was even a musical based on the story: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBOsCol39AM
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Comrade Gorbash posted:You've... kind of missed the point entirely. From the article: quote:The same sources that show us women who cross-dressed also offer us glimpses of how people who might have distanced themselves from womanhood over a longer period of time got by, how those who felt equally at home in more than one gender role accommodated that fluidity, and how people with intersex conditions coped with a society where their bodies did not belong. They only rarely reveal which interior reasons motivated an individual’s behaviour: but the ways a woman who wanted to cope in a masculine space managed, and the way someone who wanted to put aside a 'female' identity for good managed, often looked indistinguishable from the outside. I offered an non-English example of someone who, at least in some ways, acted like described in the quote, and that was also not already mentioned in the article. Kopijeger fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Apr 17, 2018 |
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Kopijeger posted:Reminds me of the Cavalry Maiden. Even after being outed he supposedly kept wearing male clothing and referring to himself using masculine forms. The Russian wikipedia has an anecdote about him getting a letter from his son asking for his blessings to marry. Due to adressing him as "mamen'ka" (more or less "mommy") he burned it unread. A second letter adressed to him as "Aleksandr Andrejevitsj" received a favourable reply. There was even a musical based on the story: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBOsCol39AM Comrade Gorbash posted:You've... kind of missed the point entirely.
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Ensign Expendable posted:Brass is important to recycle, I have a document where a German commander is scolding his unit for doing dumb poo poo like making ashtrays and wind chimes instead of turning theirs in.
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HEY GUNS posted:if they had no pistol ports how did they get rid of their poo poo Toss it up out the hatch, a procedure still followed today.
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