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Shageletic posted:This is really reminiscent of a stretch of X-men comics done by Mike Carey where Legion creates a parallel world where he's a hero fighting with the X-men against an implacable horde of faceless enemies intent on destroying the last bastion of mutantdom. The gray palette, the ludicrous architecture I want to know what is in that building in the distance that has multiple hands pointing at it. It'd be amusing if a big confrontation happened there. Shageletic posted:I'm thinking it's more the Logan timeline (the movie). Except there was no apocalypse in the Logan timeline, not for humans. A way was found to stop new mutants from happening and it worked.
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Apr 18, 2018 03:01
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Ugh I hate that teeth chattering sound. It's so uncomfortable
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Apr 18, 2018 03:13
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Apr 18, 2018 04:16
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Apr 18, 2018 04:17
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Henchman of Santa posted:Really glad I started eating when this episode started The second they followed up defining nocebo with the statement “this will make you vomit” I smashed the pause button to finish my sandwich before they showed the actual deed. I still couldn’t help mentally picturing it and I think my imaginary version was grosser than the scene itself ended up being on the show. Thanks nocebo effect.
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Apr 18, 2018 06:20
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Lol at Farouk's palpable disgust over people thinking the teeth chattering virus was him.
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cochise posted:LEGION - This will make you vomit This needs to be the new thread title.
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Apr 18, 2018 06:34
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Also hilarious was Lenny trying to off herself in the background of their scene and having absolutely no success.
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Apr 18, 2018 07:08
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I swear to christ I twitched a bit during the nocebo explanation. This show is so loving strange. I want to hate it but I can't. It's just so good on so many levels.
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Apr 18, 2018 08:28
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Why do you want to hate it?
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Apr 18, 2018 08:40
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I have to say - as great as Aubrey Plaza and Jemaine Clement were in season 1, I'm almost glad their characters' importance has diminished so far. Navid Negahban is really killing it.
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Apr 18, 2018 08:46
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Apr 18, 2018 09:59
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Milo and POTUS posted:Why do you want to hate it? I don't know. At first, it felt like it was leaning real hard into being weird for the sake of it. Just disjointed and jarring nonsense for the sake of art. Like a Jackson Pollock painting made into a series. It reminded me of the guy with a mustache like a dinner theater villain, wearing lederhosen, a Rolling Stones tank top, sockless winklepicker shoes, and a way too long scarf. It seemed way too far up it's own rear end. But after watching the first few episodes, I started to get it and really get into it. I love the show now. But it took me a minute to get passed it's surface. You have to really watch the show. It's not one you just glance at while doing something else, you miss out on so much good cinematography and story telling.
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Apr 18, 2018 10:35
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freudorbison posted:I have to say - as great as Aubrey Plaza and Jemaine Clement were in season 1, I'm almost glad their characters' importance has diminished so far. Navid Negahban is really killing it. Navid Negahban has been a good addition to the show, but if given the choice I would rather have had Jemaine Clement continue as both Oliver and Shadow King.
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I don't get the link between the main events and the noncebo effect at the start? Noncebo - creating physical symptoms due to social cues and are transmitted via social cues... the teeth clattering is the only "fit" but doesn't quite make sense from a narrative pov given that it's revealed that the monk induced the teeth clattering effect
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Apr 18, 2018 15:59
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double nine posted:I don't get the link between the main events and the noncebo effect at the start? Noncebo - creating physical symptoms due to social cues and are transmitted via social cues... the teeth clattering is the only "fit" but doesn't quite make sense from a narrative pov given that it's revealed that the monk induced the teeth clattering effect i could be wrong but - isn't it a reference to the ongoing broadcast of all the symptoms over the PA in division 3? i thought they didn't know what was causing the plague of chattering except that it was probably something the shadow king was doing to hurt them, and that all these symptoms could be signs of his influence. instead, maybe he's not responsible at all and they're generating 'noncebo' disorders out of nothing on accident. e: i see people on other sites talking about noncebo being the monk's fault too. i feel like the more interesting outcome is real pathologies emerging out of nothing (like the actual real-life cheerleader example), rather than a magical virus carrier psychic monk doing it all. eke out fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Apr 18, 2018 |
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Apr 18, 2018 16:32
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I love the show for being creative, but I'm worried that they're already repeating the ”get the band back together out of Astral jail" device that just seems like an artsy-fartsy way to burn an episode or two. Melanie's motivation was just spelled out last week ffs. See also: Division 3 security is useless and David/Amal Farouk/mid-life crisis Airbender waltz in to do mind things. I'm fine with journey before destination, but the journey then needs to be more original than confirming that each character also feels that the power they have is also a burden. Edit: love the two security dudes posted out front like it ain't no thang. Chef Boyardeez Nuts fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Apr 18, 2018 |
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Apr 18, 2018 17:15
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ekeog posted:i could be wrong but - isn't it a reference to the ongoing broadcast of all the symptoms over the PA in division 3? I think maybe the monk's doing it on purpose. The reason why is that Ptolemy was locked into a cycle that was pleasant for him, and in the flashback, once things god very bad, the fellow monks were also clapping teeth. I could see it as an attempt to get people out of his way (and out of harms way) until he could find what he needed to destroy the shadow king, and then restore the victims afterwards. Mallory though? err, maybe she wanted to be left alone in an empty void, with no thoughts to remind her of her depression/lost-found-lost-again love?
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double nine posted:I don't get the link between the main events and the noncebo effect at the start? Noncebo - creating physical symptoms due to social cues and are transmitted via social cues... the teeth clattering is the only "fit" but doesn't quite make sense from a narrative pov given that it's revealed that the monk induced the teeth clattering effect The regular dull thuds of Farouk pounding on the egg prison caused all the other monks to lose their poo poo. There was some social component to it (i.e. two monks hanging themselves) but the 'delusion' of Paul stopping to smell the roses isn't 1:1 a noncebo.
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Apr 18, 2018 18:21
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well, no. If I'm right and clattering teeth are induced by the monk, the noncebo has to refer to something else that I am missing. If I'm wrong (which is completely possible) then the clattering teeth are the/a noncebo and are probably inadvertently spread by patient zero, the monk.
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Apr 18, 2018 18:41
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double nine posted:well, no. If I'm right and clattering teeth are induced by the monk, the noncebo has to refer to something else that I am missing. If I'm wrong (which is completely possible) then the clattering teeth are the/a noncebo and are probably inadvertently spread by patient zero, the monk. The monk clearly knew what he was doing. He talks about it on the rooftop scene.
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double nine posted:well, no. If I'm right and clattering teeth are induced by the monk, the noncebo has to refer to something else that I am missing. If I'm wrong (which is completely possible) then the clattering teeth are the/a noncebo and are probably inadvertently spread by patient zero, the monk.
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Apr 18, 2018 18:56
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Yeah The Monk appears to put you in your own personal (but contagious) Matrix. If you were in that room with the saline drip, and had a way to maintain nourishment, you'd probably fight with everything you had to stay inside it.
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Apr 18, 2018 18:57
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Geez, the episode spelled out the reason for the chattering - monk is the Typhoid Mary, he's the one spreading it, but not doing it consciously - just like the cheerleader in the opening scene...
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Monglo posted:Geez, the episode spelled out the reason for the chattering - monk is the Typhoid Mary, he's the one spreading it, but not doing it consciously - just like the cheerleader in the opening scene... David: Stop making people sick! Monk: People don't matter. Only the body matters. Gobbeldygook fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Apr 18, 2018 |
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Apr 18, 2018 19:19
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I love this batshit crazy show.
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Pussy Quipped posted:I love this batshit crazy show.  Though, it seems that David is about to lose his poo poo in more or less an episode away? Jon Hamm's narration laid stuff brick by brick in such a simple, but entertaining way that I think that the plot is pretty much spelled out by this point? imho monk dude pretty much confirmed that either legion or syd were compromised, whether it was retroactive fuckery by Legion himself or SK doing it I have no idea; thing is, going by the delusion explanation video, 'we reject other, more rational and likely explanations to foster a delusion', Legion can't pick up on the various signs that the guy is a monster, paying no mind to the damage he has done or hell, that he might be lying to him? Also, why the gently caress is everybody going "The Shadow King will END US ALL!?!", isn't that a massive and gross exaggeration given that David's dad packed him in without much trouble?
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Yeah, this seems to take the history from the comics in that the Shadow King was the most powerful entity around until Xavier showed up and defeated him. And we don't know where Xavier is, so it's possible that if the other characters think he's off the board, that they're afraid there's nothing to stop the Shadow King except an inexperienced and possibly compromised David.
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Ah, thanks, I went "wait a minute I think I know a few more dudes who are way badder than Xavier in mindfuckery powers", but then again, Legion show is its own thing almost entirely
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dead comedy forums posted:Ah, thanks, I went "wait a minute I think I know a few more dudes who are way badder than Xavier in mindfuckery powers", but then again, Legion show is its own thing almost entirely Yeah, but Xavier still isn't anything to sneeze at. David's supposed to be infinitely more powerful than his dad, which is why the thought of him going rogue is particularly horrifying. They're right to fear David in a way, because if he zigs instead of zags at the wrong time, the world will be welcoming its new overlord.
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Why didn't David go into the minds of people chattering their teeth before it happened to his friends? What a jerk.
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Apr 19, 2018 08:16
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So, Carey totally said "Is isn't Shi'iar" when looking at the sphere? Space Bird jerks incoming!
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Apr 19, 2018 08:18
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What was with the cutaway to the moon during one of the monk scenes? I kept wondering if they were going to address the "what did the stars say" thing where he ate the tape recording and David's dad's face from last season, since he taught him about the stars.
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twistedmentat posted:So, Carey totally said "Is isn't Shi'iar" when looking at the sphere? Space Bird jerks incoming! I thought it was just an easter egg reference tbqh, can't see Hawley working the Shi'ar into this type of narrative at least so suddenly But then again, he put (spoilers for Fargo, season 2) motherfucking UFOs in a motel shootout so who knows? night slime posted:I kept wondering if they were going to address the "what did the stars say" thing where he ate the tape recording and David's dad's face from last season, since he taught him about the stars. I don't think we are ever going to find about that one, unless it is somehow related with ALIENS!?!? as per above
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dead comedy forums posted:I thought it was just an easter egg reference tbqh, can't see Hawley working the Shi'ar into this type of narrative at least so suddenly I kinda got worried that the thing that kills everyone is the Pheonix, but I doubt they're going to do that. Sublime or something on that level would be more realistic. Though it could be a easter egg as you said.
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Since the new X-Men film is going to bring the space stuff into the movie canon, I doubt they'd start the ball rolling on that on this show; even if the two aren't connected canonically. The Shi'ar reference was probably just something fun they threw in for the hardcore fanbase. It definitely feels like they're leading towards either Shadow King manipulating things, or David being the big bad in the future; the X-Men have a ton of villains they could pull from and something like Sublime would be really great to see since I doubt we'd ever seen him on the big screen.
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twistedmentat posted:I kinda got worried that the thing that kills everyone is the Pheonix, but I doubt they're going to do that. Sublime or something on that level would be more realistic. Oooooh Hamm as Sublime seems to work pretty well based on what I remember.
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Guys, the term is "nocebo", not "noncebo". And for an equally fascinating effect, it appears that the placebo effect still works even when the patient is aware he/she is being administered a placebo.
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