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Would be a crime not to post this again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3E3Y3LW0X4
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Ooh, heres a compilation: http://vid46.photobucket.com/albums/f109/renir/titotalklast_zpsrb29kfam.mp4
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Tito speaking is one of the true great joys that remain in my sad life
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Apr 18, 2018 01:23
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These numbers for Bellator are pretty drat dire. https://twitter.com/shaunalshatti/status/986356290355052544?s=19
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Le Saboteur posted:These numbers for Bellator are pretty drat dire. https://twitter.com/shaunalshatti/status/986356290355052544?s=19 Combate Americas is also in Fight Pass if I recall. Edit - nevermind its their old stuff. Its a shame Bellator is being mishandled by Viacom & Coker, but not at all surprising. Mekchu fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Apr 18, 2018 |
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Apr 18, 2018 02:52
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I thought Coker did ok with Strikefore. Or is that just rose tinted glasses?
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Le Saboteur posted:These numbers for Bellator are pretty drat dire. https://twitter.com/shaunalshatti/status/986356290355052544?s=19 good news for everyone that cops will get a season 31 TheReverend posted:I thought Coker did ok with Strikefore. it seems to me like there's a pretty great template out there to build a cost effective promotion, and it's the WEC model of just having the lighter weight classes because they put on really fun and exciting fights and there are a lot of them. however, coker really loves fedor
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That thing talks about Michael Chandler, and he's good, but he's not the reason why anybody watches Bellator, it's the old guy freak shows
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Dr. Abysmal posted:That thing talks about Michael Chandler, and he's good, but he's not the reason why anybody watches Bellator, it's the old guy freak shows So the Coker Fedor courting is sound. Hmm.
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TheReverend posted:I thought Coker did ok with Strikefore. Strikeforce was cool and gave us Matt Lindland getting knocked into an actually disabled person by Vitor.
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Apr 18, 2018 04:59
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One of Coker's strengths in Strikeforce was that he had a pretty good head for what would make for the most exciting matchups. Nick Diaz basically made his career off of it. At Bellator it's just two old, fat guys you vaguely remember fighting above twelve guys called Shamil Alkaramovogoff, who fight once every six years.
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They should've got rid of the tournaments but not got rid of the weekly show structure. Airdropping Coker in to recreate Strikeforce after they'd already established their own small niche was dumb, not because there was anything wrong with Strikeforce but because interest in MMA is waning and the talent is even more concentrated in the UFC (largely due to the death of Strikeforce)
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Apr 18, 2018 10:07
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Yeah. Tournaments are the best idea on paper and the worst idea in practice.
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I think tournaments have some promotional utility. They're good for a new organisation to quickly contextualise a division and give it an initial pecking order. The problems are that stuff constantly goes wrong, and if you do what Bellator and Glory did/do and run them year after year, you get one winner and 7 losers. Glory are starting to get that message, thankfully.
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Apr 18, 2018 11:01
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Captain Log posted:Strikeforce was cool and gave us Matt Lindland getting knocked into an actually disabled person by Vitor. That was the short lived Affliction organization actually. Sorry to be that guy.
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Triticum Guzzler posted:I think tournaments have some promotional utility. They're good for a new organisation to quickly contextualise a division and give it an initial pecking order. The problems are that stuff constantly goes wrong, and if you do what Bellator and Glory did/do and run them year after year, you get one winner and 7 losers. Glory are starting to get that message, thankfully. I was thinking mostly of the constant injuries and replacements, but you're right, they've worked very well on occasion.
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Apr 18, 2018 13:50
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The UFC saturated the market. Even diehards on this forum skip events. There isn’t room for smaller promotions because of fatigue.
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I can do maybe one mma event a week and it has to be weird or borderline z league. 6 fights between dudes that look like they were born in the gym just doesn’t do it for me.
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Triticum Guzzler posted:I think tournaments have some promotional utility. They're good for a new organisation to quickly contextualise a division and give it an initial pecking order. The problems are that stuff constantly goes wrong, and if you do what Bellator and Glory did/do and run them year after year, you get one winner and 7 losers. Glory are starting to get that message, thankfully. One thing Kurohashi and i always talked about was tournaments with large prizes to the winner maybe being enough to lure talent away from the UFC. Like if I can pull a few top-15 bws and put them in a tourney with a few other dudes who are decent but not noteworthy yet, that's gotta at least draw some interest because everyone always thinks they can beat everyone else. I also think there is some kind of prestige factor when you have tournaments in that it is bound to make someone at least marginally more famous when they eventually win that is useful to any promotion too. It's an easy way to build stars, if only a little bit. It's kind of like how vaunted Shogun was after the 2005 grand prix. I guess the alternative, as someone mentioned, is that no one is initially going to tune in or care and signing the fedors of the world is going to be the quickest way to get views. But to keep paying big bucks for fading talent at the end of their careers is such a bad way to build a division or championship picture. Like they sign Tito for big money, he comes in for a few fights and looks like total dogshit, and then he's off to get more neck surgeries and call out Chuck on instagram and there is no value for anyone created because of it. In fact, it made shlemenko, who previously looked like he might have some talent, look bad because the fight was so weird and bad.
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Coker sets up matches in such a way that he needs a particular result; Joe Silva set up matches so that every result would be good. The problem with most tournaments is that they end up with the former, and you're hosed after late replacement Steve Jennum wins because everyone who anyone has heard of gets injured.
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El Roncho posted:That was the short lived Affliction organization actually. Sorry to be that guy. It's ok, I knew something sounded off. Affliction was bad rear end. Strikeforce was trashy Fedor fights.
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Affliction had two events that were headlined by Fedor finishing Andrei Arlovski and Tim Sylvia, which is about as trashy as it gets.
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strikeforce had hendo vs fedor, affliction had paul buentello vs kirill sidelnikov
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Dan Didio posted:One of Coker's strengths in Strikeforce was that he had a pretty good head for what would make for the most exciting matchups. Nick Diaz basically made his career off of it. At Bellator it's just two old, fat guys you vaguely remember fighting above twelve guys called Shamil Alkaramovogoff, who fight once every six years. It's because the real brains behind matchmaking at Strikeforce was Bob Cook.
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Dan Didio posted:One of Coker's strengths in Strikeforce was that he had a pretty good head for what would make for the most exciting matchups. Nick Diaz basically made his career off of it. At Bellator it's just two old, fat guys you vaguely remember fighting above twelve guys called Shamil Alkaramovogoff, who fight once every six years. This is the b league thread, you meant to post this about the ufc
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Triticum Guzzler posted:strikeforce had hendo vs fedor, affliction had paul buentello vs kirill sidelnikov PRECISELY!
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Bellator had some great seasons until the US banned the entire Rusfighter camp for war crimes
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The finish to Hendo vs Fedor should be replayed on a big screen in public once a month.
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Apr 19, 2018 01:39
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Let's all revisit it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFo6pXG9aMw
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Memento posted:Let's all revisit it. I remember being wasted and jumping up and laughing in my usual sirenesque fashion while at my buddy's place. He, being a huge Fedor fan wearing his new Fedor t shirt, immediately started protesting the stoppage while telling me it's not funny like at all. It was though. It was very funny.
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Bluedeanie posted:This is the b league thread, you meant to post this about the ufc In the ufc the guys on top are Colby Covington instead of Royce Gracie
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Memento posted:Let's all revisit it. I remember there being another angle shown where its legit no question that Fedor was out cold. From that angle the stoppage looked premature.
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TheReverend posted:I thought Coker did ok with Strikefore. They had a lot of really good fights with most of the best fighters in the 'heavier than a full sized dog' weight classes not already in the UFC. Their cards ran very smoothly and didn't have a billion hours of ads in them. Whether or not their business decisions were sound behind the scenes idk, but I enjoyed their product. Neurosis fucked around with this message at 05:21 on Apr 22, 2018 |
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I don't recall my Strikeforce history very clearly at this point but I believe even with ever expanding Fedor contracts it was still making money, but the San Jose investors wanted out of MMA and they had a pile of debt. I think the deal Zuffa struck for Strikeforce was basically paying back the investors plus a few million for Coker. They may have missed out on the peak of Rousey hysteria but ultimately I think they probably side stepped a lot of waves that would've crashed on them eventually. Like I just can't imagine the increase in oversight we see these days going well with all the incestuous aka business, accidentally putting Nazi child molesters on TV, drug testing etc That said, they did a lot of cool stuff, and once they merged the talent pools there were a load of good matchups made possible
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Correction, the nazi guy only weighed in then got pulled from the card when it became known he was a nazi. Unless it was someone other than the midwestern "White Steel" tattoo guy.
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Unfunny Poster posted:Correction, the nazi guy only weighed in then got pulled from the card when it became known he was a nazi. You're wrong about that https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/3/3/2843153/brandon-saling-nazi-tattoo-strikeforce
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Huh go figure. Must've mixed it up with someone else.
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Apr 19, 2018 11:28
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WSOF also accidentally let a Nazi fight, but he got dunked on by a Grazie so I think they tried to play it off like that waa the plan.
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Strikeforce had a bunch of weirdo fighters that couldn't get along with Dana White so it was fun seeing people have fun fights and simultaneously upsetting Shouty Bald Man #1
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Bluedeanie posted:WSOF also accidentally let a Nazi fight, but he got dunked on by a Grazie so I think they tried to play it off like that waa the plan. WSOF also had Thiago Silva fight after his armed police standoff
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