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Detective No. 27 posted:Black Hawk is going cause a studio to make an Iron Eagle remake. I'd love to see George Lucas finally just live out his boyhood dream and do a huge 200 million dollar Flash Gordon movie now that he's unemployed.
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F. Gary Gray attached to the M.A.S.K. movie https://www.empireonline.com/people/f-gary-gray/f-gary-gray-working-mask-movie/
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Apr 18, 2018 23:20
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People only know what M.A.S.K is because of a Robot Chicken sketch. Myself included. Might as well adapt Project G.e.e.K.e.R. It's got about as much name recognition these days.
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Apr 18, 2018 23:38
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Casimir Radon posted:People only know what M.A.S.K is because of a Robot Chicken sketch. Myself included. Might as well adapt Project G.e.e.K.e.R. It's got about as much name recognition these days. Mask was huge if you were alive in the 80s. It was the direct competitor to GI Joe and had a kick rear end theme song and concept (honestly that was enough back then).
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Apr 18, 2018 23:42
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M.A.S.K. is in the Hasbroverse IDW comics as well, but as they don't show up in Lost Light I have no idea what is happening with them now.
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Apr 18, 2018 23:50
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M.A.S.K. had by far the cooler toys, just not the longevity.
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Apr 18, 2018 23:52
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Mask was huge if you were alive in the 80s. It was the direct competitor to GI Joe and had a kick rear end theme song and concept (honestly that was enough back then). Yeah, I remember the flying Camaro being like, the sought after toy on the playground for a hot minute there. Attributing just about anything’s profile to Robot Chicken is disingenuous at best.
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Apr 18, 2018 23:53
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"Miles Mayhem" is a great supervillain name. Shame about the rest of the cartoon.
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Fart City posted:Yeah, I remember the flying Camaro being like, the sought after toy on the playground for a hot minute there. Attributing just about anything’s profile to Robot Chicken is disingenuous at best. I will wager Casimir Radon was very, very young (or not alive at all) when the 80s ended.
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The MSJ posted:In case you think Disney forgot about Maleficient, Ed Skrein has been cast as a villain in the sequel. Maleficent was cool, if for no other reason than looking really good and giving us some nice, albeit brief fantasy battle footage. Wheat Loaf posted:Roger Moore was great but I sometimes feel like he was too old for the role when he started. He was the second choice for the early films, and was much closer to how Fleming imagined him than a burly lad from Edinburgh. joylessdivision posted:How dare you. Roger Moore was a delight He was, especially since he never understood how anyone took the character seriously. As he pointed out, he was a spy, yet every bartender in the world knows him on sight and knows his favourite drink. I do think that the only Bonds that have aged with any grace are the ones that either stayed right away from all the cliches of the series (like Casino Royale and From Russia with Love) and just played out like big budget spy thrillers, or the ones that leaned into the insanity to such an extent that they turned around and became awesome, like You Only Live Twice.
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M.A.S.K. has no room to exist after Transformers won. As a Kenner Competitor to Transformers and Go-Bots, it was cool and ambitious, but after Hasbro absorbed Kenner in the 90s the brand is always going to be overshadowed. "A car that flies and has guns" is straightforwardly less cool than "A car that turns into a robot".
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Shageletic posted:Great post. Would love more dets on this tho. Basically all Netflix does is go "here's a bunch of money" to the production committee behind the projects, rather than take an active involvement in production as part of the committee - thus changing little to nothing about the process, down to the fact that the animators don't receive any royalties for the massive amount of work they produce (really, nobody outside of the committee gets those royalties), and the scheduling is still a hellacious body-destroying thresher, which is even more insane when producing for a streaming platform means there's no actual deadline. So I misspoke on "layering expectations", it's more that these companies are basically absentee landlords who continue to let lovely caretakers let the house rot with the tenants stuck inside. The anime industry is like the video game industry on steroids when it comes to sapping the life out of the people who work in it - pay is generally on the amount of cuts you can finish. Four years ago the producers behind Shirobako (a workplace comedy anime about... making anime) put out a little infographic about what the annual income of the people at the in-show studio make, and at the bottom was an animator making $9400. A year. $180 a week. Low enough that as a joke, beside it they put "college student" and "part-timer" and both were making almost 10k more. Now, the pay grade can be different depending on the studio, but mid-level places producing toy tie-in crap probably pay around that level. And yeah, you can make a living wage if you get up to being the animation director at a studio, but it's a long road to that level of responsibility, and not everyone's going to make it there. And even if they pay you a little more per cut that you crank out, you still have to be producing things that meet the approval of a few people so the amount you're producing per hour can veer wildly. You're essentially making well under the legal minimum wage (roughly $6.59 averaged across the country, as there's no national min. wage) when you add up the amount of work and the number of hours. Of course, that infographic also lists the A-list voice actor as making $600,000, without mentioning that such a total would come from doing several shows (the rough pay for even big name voice actors per episode is roughly like $500), a couple of video games/mobile games (which is where the real money is - if you get a perpetual character like MGS's Solid Snake or Persona's Igor or something, you're sitting pretty), potentially performing the title song on a show they're starring in or putting out albums and singles with the intent of licensing for anime, commercials, doing live events and concerts, appearing on TV programs, dubbing movies (another big money maker, particularly if you become the go-to voice for an actor, mostly because the pay is coming from a foreign, nominally US studio, who toss money around like water compared to the Japanese media industry) basically taking every opportunity you can get and hustling because the higher your quote gets, unlike in Hollywood, the harder it is to get jobs because every production is going to pinch 1 yen coins until they bend because young voices come cheap and there's no guarantee your fanbase is going to follow you to this show. Oh, and your vocal cords are going to get hosed up before too long - I've seen more than a few VAs have to get surgery not even a decade into working because they're doing so many damned things. And suddenly you're only making money off of whatever you've made that produces royalties until the rehab's done. There's also no real union to support you in those lean times, you're dependent on your agency for help. And, oh yeah, if you're a woman, you run the risk of blowing up your fanbase if you decide to actually be with someone and a tabloid finds out. Hell, if you're a hot guy, the same thing can happen. The anime industry is basically piled to the top with people who do it because they love the craft, because god knows you're not likely to get rich off of being a part of it. It's why toy companies used Japanese animators in the 80s to produce the cartoons for their product, and is just as likely why they're attracting Netflix and Hulu and Amazon - not only does it work as a potential "in" to a hard to penetrate market, the return on investment is probably be default higher compared to paying JJ Abrams or someone to produce a big live action genre show since you're just dumping some cash and getting an end product without much thought given to how that specific sausage is being made. There's a little bit of the particular Netflix/industry issue detailed here by the Sakugabooru blog: https://blog.sakugabooru.com/2018/02/09/lets-listen-to-anime-creators-for-once-netflix-is-no-savior/
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The Cameo posted:Stuff about Anime This is super interesting, thank you. I also noticed in Japan that the merchandising aspect is loving huge. You walk into an anime/manga store (which are loving everywhere) and every new thing has lunchboxes, notebooks, bedsheets, posters, toys, framed pictures, every goddamn piece of merchandising you could think of, ready to go. Is that something that is a guaranteed (or close to guaranteed) money maker, the way Bollywood soundtracks would actually make the budget back before the film was released? Or is it just part of the gamble? In case this particular show about volleyball or whatever is the next one that explodes, you want to have all the merchandising already out there.
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Usually one of the participants of the production committee is a merchandise producer and so they're covering the costs and reaping the primary rewards from the sales there (with small percentages going to the partners). It's part of the gamble, there are mom-and-pop shops and small chains in the country that sells basically second-run anime/genre memorabilia at a ridiculously reduced price to get rid of overstock of these things.
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Thank you Cameo
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The Cameo posted:Usually one of the participants of the production committee is a merchandise producer and so they're covering the costs and reaping the primary rewards from the sales there (with small percentages going to the partners). It's part of the gamble, there are mom-and-pop shops and small chains in the country that sells basically second-run anime/genre memorabilia at a ridiculously reduced price to get rid of overstock of these things. Even on the personal level, a person can walk into a mall like Nakano Broadway and find little garages with rented display cases. Individuals have a demand/place to put their excess otaku goods up for sale.
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Rirse posted:Didn't one of the games that came out around that time even do just that, with Bond remembering reliving events of previous movies (with Craig in the role now) after he got shot by Moneypenny by mistake in the opening of Skyfall? Similar to this, Pierce Brosnan's last time playing Bond wasn't a movie, it was the 2004 game Everything or Nothing, which connects Brosnan's Bond to at least two of the Roger Moore films - the main villain (voiced by Willem Dafoe) was the mentor figure to Christopher Walken's character from View to a Kill, and they bring back Jaws as the main henchman. I think there was some Connery-era stuff in it, too.
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DoctorWhat posted:M.A.S.K. has no room to exist after Transformers won. As a Kenner Competitor to Transformers and Go-Bots, it was cool and ambitious, but after Hasbro absorbed Kenner in the 90s the brand is always going to be overshadowed. "A car that flies and has guns" is straightforwardly less cool than "A car that turns into a robot". Derivative blockbusters?! Not in my cinema!
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Grendels Dad posted:Derivative blockbusters?! Not in my cinema! Is direct to video/Netflix okay then? What would the world be without Transmorphers?
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Grendels Dad posted:Derivative blockbusters?! Not in my cinema! Hasbro owns both. Kids will not want to settle for MASK toys when Transformers toys exist.
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Casimir Radon posted:People only know what M.A.S.K is because of a Robot Chicken sketch. Myself included. Might as well adapt Project G.e.e.K.e.R. It's got about as much name recognition these days. M.A.S.K. was pretty drat big in the 80s. I only watched it in syndication on USA years later but my older brother was way into it when he was growing up. If we're going to revive old cartoon series into blockbusters, wake me up when someone finally makes a SilverHawks movie.
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DoctorWhat posted:Hasbro owns both. Kids will not want to settle for MASK toys when Transformers toys exist. Kids will be even less interested in the other toy lines that they're planning on shoe-horning into a "Hasbro Cinematic Universe" with GI Joe (and possibly Transformers) such as Micronauts, Rom Spaceknight and Visionaries. Back in 2015 right before Jem and the Holograms opened director John Chu was talking about wanting to do a crossover between Transformers, G.I. Joe and Jem and the Holograms but that was probably just him desperately trying to namedrop Hasbro's other IPs in order to drum up interest in Jem. Hasbro are pretty desperate to take any IP they own the rights to and throw a budget behind it and turn it into a movie, they're chucking everything at the wall to see what sticks. They've already made films based on their Battleship and Ouija games and they've announced movies based on Hungry, Hungry Hippos, Monopoly, Beyblade, Clue and Play-Doh.
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M.A.S.K. did have a pretty kick rear end intro. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2Z1yLO9C-Q
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y'all underestimate the ability of good marketing to make people give a poo poo about things they shouldn't or didn't before
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Apr 19, 2018 11:50
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DoctorWhat posted:Hasbro owns both. Kids will not want to settle for MASK toys when Transformers toys exist. To be honest, they should't. Transformers has cars turning into giant robots, M.A.S.K. has cars turning into cars that can fly. The toys looked cool, but I don't see how they can make it look cool in a movie when the bad guy's fighter jet transforms into a helicopter.
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Hasbro should bring back Visionaries. Okay, so the toy line, cartoon and comic were all enormous failures but 5 year old me loved that poo poo.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:... Didn't that movie bomb because it had nothing to do with the source material beyond "girl band"?
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Grendels Dad posted:To be honest, they should't. Transformers has cars turning into giant robots, M.A.S.K. has cars turning into cars that can fly. The toys looked cool, but I don't see how they can make it look cool in a movie when the bad guy's fighter jet transforms into a helicopter. In a shared universe, seems like it'd make sense to be a result of humans trying to adapt Transformer technology(/physiology) X-COM style.
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8one6 posted:Didn't that movie bomb because it had nothing to do with the source material beyond "girl band"? It bombed because they barely promoted it. Ghost Leviathan posted:In a shared universe, seems like it'd make sense to be a result of humans trying to adapt Transformer technology(/physiology) X-COM style. I think Hasbro absorbed MASK into GI Joe in the last decade.
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TetsuoTW posted:y'all underestimate the ability of good marketing to make people give a poo poo about things they shouldn't or didn't before Welllll, good marketing really needs a good movie with decent actors to work off, it's hard to put a shine on a turd if you don't have any decent footage or actors that entertainment shows want to interview. It also helps if the movie has a decent release date and you're not struggling to get people into the cinema to start with. Otherwise you get poo poo like Battleship which was a turgid bore starring Taylor Kitsch and Rihanna which was released two weeks after Marvel's Avengers. Good luck saving that mess with marketing.
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Cythereal posted:Personally, I subscribe to the school of thought that every generation and culture's take on Godzilla is projecting the fears of the culture making the film onto Big G. In G14's case, I think that's environmental cataclysm. Uncaring, impersonal, completely oblivious to the humans dying around it as it seeks to redress a balance we in our arrogance set awry. Shin Godzilla was - to me at least - one of the funniest comedies I’d seen in a while - because the movie is essentially about Fukushima Daiichi, and how it’s this continuous ongoing disaster everyone tries to ignore. With Godzilla rampaging in one part of Tokyo, they just route the trains around him, business as usual. It’s an extremely precise criticism of Japanese government’s approach to a real, actual, ongoing nuclear disaster, and how they seek normalcy to a degree that’s psychotically self-defeating. Also it was a fun Godzilla movie. Definitely a comedy, though.
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My favorite running gag was the increasingly-complex job titles that would flash on screen
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Big Mean Jerk posted:My favorite running gag was the increasingly-complex job titles that would flash on screen Yeah, the last time this happens is the best punchline in the movie.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:My favorite running gag was the increasingly-complex job titles that would flash on screen Every part of the film that involved tactical bureaucracy action (so most of it) was extremely enjoyable. I laughed and laughed when the staffers all burst in and start setting up their laptops in unison as the well oiled machine of Japanese governance spun itself up to rapid fire shoot down ideas and achieve nothing much.
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Snowman_McK posted:He was the second choice for the early films, and was much closer to how Fleming imagined him than a burly lad from Edinburgh. I know Cary Grant was the first choice of the producers and Fleming's preference was Richard Todd. Didn't know Moore was that high on their list, though. Oddly enough, in the earlier novels, Bond is described as looking like the songwriter Hoagy Carmichael, which seems like an odd comparison (as opposed to a movie star or a popular singer).
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My favorite bit from Shin Godzilla was when they order the missiles to be fired but it's this conga line of like 15 people who give the order to someone who gives it to someone else who gives to someone else. Even once they get the order into the helicopter that fired the missiles, there's like three guys in there and the order has to be conveyed from one guy to the next and then finally to the guy with his finger on the button.
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Chairman Capone posted:Similar to this, Pierce Brosnan's last time playing Bond wasn't a movie, it was the 2004 game Everything or Nothing, which connects Brosnan's Bond to at least two of the Roger Moore films - the main villain (voiced by Willem Dafoe) was the mentor figure to Christopher Walken's character from View to a Kill, and they bring back Jaws as the main henchman. I think there was some Connery-era stuff in it, too. They even went to the trouble of getting Richard Kiel to reprise the role of Jaws even though he did nothing but grunts and growls. The theme song by Mya was better than most of the real Brosnan movie themes too. Granted the plot was still pretty dumb but compared to "out-surfing an orbital laser in the arctic" an army of platinum tanks wielding nanomachines that eat everything but platinum was at least kind of fun and led to a few fun set pieces.
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Quote-Unquote posted:Hasbro should bring back Visionaries. They were part of the original shared Hasbro movie universe pitch a few years back but like a good chunk of the properties there has been little news since as they've done a lot of reshuffling of which things are getting greenlighted first.
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I wonder if the Power Rangers Shared Cinematic Universe which was presumably supposed to happen after the reboot movie last (?) year would've gotten around to the one I liked best when I was little, The Mystic Knights of Tir Na Nog.
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