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HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


MonsterEnvy posted:

Well I think the murder and rape of his original group of followers was pretty wrong.

Nothing compared to the crimes of the new series.

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Mordaedil
Oct 25, 2007

Oh wow, cool. Good job.
So?
Grimey Drawer

Bacontotem posted:

With a side helping that Aizn is THE BIG BAD but doesnt accept it.

I dunno if that's really that true.

EponymousMrYar
Jan 4, 2015

The enemy of my enemy is my enemy.
It's more that he's completely clueless to his status as The Big Bad despite being a Skeleton and having the class of Overlord.

lobster22221
Jul 11, 2017
The switch from overlord hosed with his morality. From his perspective, good is protecting Nazerick. He still isn't completely "Humans are insects" like the rest of the tomb, but he doesn't tend to kill them for fun either.

From a human perspective he is still evil, even ignoring his companions. He will absolutely murder to further his ambitions, claim land with a fabricated cause, and would probably run a red light if he was in a hurry. The end of volume 9 absolutely demonstrates this.

I think he realizes people view him as evil to some extent.

lobster22221 fucked around with this message at 03:08 on Apr 20, 2018

Eeepies
May 29, 2013

Bocchi-chan's... dead.
We'll have to find a new guitarist.
Yeah, in S1, he was more pissed that his future plans were ruined when Clementine killed all the adventurers he was getting closer with, rather than the fact that she killed his buddies. He has only done a few things for the sake of being good a few times before:

1. Saving the village from the Theocracy, and he almost didn't bother if it wasn't for remembering how Touch Me saved him.
2. Giving a mid-class healing potion to an adventure when he accidentally broke one.
3. Saving Tsuare although he phrased it as repaying a debt.
4. Repressing the urge to murder EvilEye on the spot (and this was more for the sake of his Momon image).

That's about it throughout these 2 seasons. He definitely knows his lack of morality and evil tendencies at this point.

lobster22221
Jul 11, 2017

Eeepies posted:

Yeah, in S1, he was more pissed that his future plans were ruined when Clementine killed all the adventurers he was getting closer with, rather than the fact that she killed his buddies. He has only done a few things for the sake of being good a few times before:

1. Saving the village from the Theocracy, and he almost didn't bother if it wasn't for remembering how Touch Me saved him.
2. Giving a mid-class healing potion to an adventure when he accidentally broke one.
3. Saving Tsuare although he phrased it as repaying a debt.
4. Repressing the urge to murder EvilEye on the spot (and this was more for the sake of his Momon image).

That's about it throughout these 2 seasons. He definitely knows his lack of morality and evil tendencies at this point.

Splatfest definitely crosses a new line though, if only because of the scale.

Fabricated
Apr 9, 2007

Living the Dream

Eeepies posted:

Yeah, in S1, he was more pissed that his future plans were ruined when Clementine killed all the adventurers he was getting closer with, rather than the fact that she killed his buddies. He has only done a few things for the sake of being good a few times before:

1. Saving the village from the Theocracy, and he almost didn't bother if it wasn't for remembering how Touch Me saved him.
2. Giving a mid-class healing potion to an adventure when he accidentally broke one.
3. Saving Tsuare although he phrased it as repaying a debt.
4. Repressing the urge to murder EvilEye on the spot (and this was more for the sake of his Momon image).

That's about it throughout these 2 seasons. He definitely knows his lack of morality and evil tendencies at this point.
He was legit kinda upset about the Blades of Darkness being murdered because they kind of reminded him of his friends.

lobster22221
Jul 11, 2017

Fabricated posted:

He was legit kinda upset about the Blades of Darkness being murdered because they kind of reminded him of his friends.

That's pretty early on, and I think the morality shift might still be happening. Maybe.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
SRW Fanatic




It's pretty clear that the sort of default empathy he'd have for humans was trampled on by his new state, and then further grounded down by strong emotions being forcefully suppressed. He's growing more and more distant and there's nothing he can really do about it. He's becoming colder and doesn't really feel much of anything for human lives as his priorities have become firmly entrenched in making sure Nazerick and the various "children" his friends left behind are the only things he cares about.

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

Eeepies posted:

Yeah, in S1, he was more pissed that his future plans were ruined when Clementine killed all the adventurers he was getting closer with, rather than the fact that she killed his buddies. He has only done a few things for the sake of being good a few times before:

1. Saving the village from the Theocracy, and he almost didn't bother if it wasn't for remembering how Touch Me saved him.
2. Giving a mid-class healing potion to an adventure when he accidentally broke one.
3. Saving Tsuare although he phrased it as repaying a debt.
4. Repressing the urge to murder EvilEye on the spot (and this was more for the sake of his Momon image).

That's about it throughout these 2 seasons. He definitely knows his lack of morality and evil tendencies at this point.

This is all pretty Lawful Evil stuff. Basically everything "good" he does for people outside of Nazarick is because he's repaying what he views as a debt or attempting to blend in with the restrictions of the existing society to further his own goals.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you

Eeepies posted:

1. Saving the village from the Theocracy, and he almost didn't bother if it wasn't for remembering how Touch Me saved him.

And this is largely because Sebas wanted him to and Sebas reminds him of Touch Me and what he would have done.

Mordaedil
Oct 25, 2007

Oh wow, cool. Good job.
So?
Grimey Drawer
The reason he said "I'm a big hypocrite" was a call-back to before the fight when he said he only used them. It was admission that torturing Clementine to death was revenge and for self-satisfaction.

Pharohman777
Jan 14, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
Reading the light novels, it is amazing how much Ainz must plot and scheme to deal with the absurd loyalty of his subordinates and their deification of him.

Its one of the things that makes this series great, that Ainzs has to go through all these hoops to get actual constructive criticism from NPCs who think everything Ainz says or does is holy.

Zeruel
Mar 27, 2010

Alert: bad post spotted.
Ainz: somehow farts

Demiurge: SASUGA AINZ

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

Zeruel posted:

Ainz: somehow farts

Demiurge: SASUGA AINZ
His farts are holier than the greatest achievements of those who abandoned Nazarick to it's fate.

Akumos
Sep 10, 2006
I think he still views most people as NPCs is the problem or at least doesn't really give them the same credit he gives humans from his world. He's mentioned a few times he wants to meet other players. It's not really brought up and he might not be much of a philosopher but I assume he just considers them AI.

CeallaSo
May 3, 2013

Wisdom from a Fool

Akumos posted:

I think he still views most people as NPCs is the problem or at least doesn't really give them the same credit he gives humans from his world. He's mentioned a few times he wants to meet other players. It's not really brought up and he might not be much of a philosopher but I assume he just considers them AI.

He recognizes pretty early on that, no, these are actually people with thoughts and dreams now. But they're also people who are slavishly devoted to him, and who he may still be capable of reprogramming, so his relationship with them is a little unusual. He also views people outside of Nazarick as being actual people, but his personal experience from the real world combined with his undead nature makes him absolutely not give one solitary gently caress about any of them. If he ever does anything to aid someone the outside, it's either because it provides him some advantage or he feels a personal sense of duty because of something one of his old guildmates said to him.

Fat_Cow
Dec 12, 2009

Every time I yank a jawbone from a skull and ram it into an eyesocket, I know I'm building a better future.

Volume 13 is great so far.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

Time for a new season!

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Sorcerer King time

Pharohman777
Jan 14, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
The implications of just WHAT is bleating in the season 3 are delightful to think about now that everything is real.

Ainz summons the children of shub-niggurath, the black goat with a thousand young; to obliterate an enemy army and demonstrate his power.

drilldo squirt
Aug 18, 2006

a beautiful, soft meat sack
Clapping Larry
The black goat of the woods with a thousand young, thank you very much.

lobster22221
Jul 11, 2017
SPLATSPLATSPLATSPLATSPLATSPLATSPLATSPLATSPLATSPLATSPLATSPLAT

Stink Billyums
Jul 7, 2006

MAGNUM
I see volumes 7 to 9 in the trailer, so still 3 books per season.

And there's a an Overlord game coming out but it looks like it's just another garbage gacha mobile game.

https://overlord-game.com/

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



Really looking forward to this after a shocking good season 2 followed up a pretty mediocre season 1.

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Terrible Opinions posted:

Really looking forward to this after a shocking good season 2 followed up a pretty mediocre season 1.

? ?? ???

Captain_duck
Dec 3, 2005

I swear nice bushes!
Since no one actually posted the trailer for season 3:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdoU353nx1U

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
please no torture porn arc

Fabricated
Apr 9, 2007

Living the Dream

gimme the GOD drat candy posted:

please no torture porn arc
If Magic Caster of Destroy is in (which it looks like it is), the worker arc has to be.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

Well ain't that precious?

So when is the actually premiere date? I keep on seeing conflicting sources that say 7th/10th.

I'm really hoping they just rush through the 7th volume, it should have just been a single chapter, and not an entire book. The new character it introduces just dies at the end, unlike in the Web Novel.

Also, I'm wondering if this is the final season or not. The end of book 9 would probably be the best cut-off point for the anime, if they aren't going to adapt the entire thing (which is unfortunately the most likely scenario).

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



Overlord season 1- an interesting hook that was interrupted by very mediocre very boring bullshit
Overlord season 2- actually pretty interesting and funny throughout

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
i wasn't sure how well the lizardman arc would work animated, but it was great and the lizzies were very charming.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

I also liked the Lizardmen arc. Watching politics is always appealing.

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



Politics and grand plans of the first season were bad because most of the jobbers lacked personality or enthusiasm. Princess crazy face and the lizardmen who are clearly the heroes of a shonen show fixed that for the most part.

Mulderman
Mar 20, 2009

Did someone say axe magnet?
Also lizard sex.

I just hope we get more Sebas Tian.
Badass older butler is a trope I can never get enough of.

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Terrible Opinions posted:

Overlord season 1- an interesting hook that was interrupted by very mediocre very boring bullshit
Overlord season 2- actually pretty interesting and funny throughout

Oh I read that season 1 came after 2 and was making the mental math

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
Season 2 was pretty much superior in every way except for OP/ED. :colbert:

Mordaedil
Oct 25, 2007

Oh wow, cool. Good job.
So?
Grimey Drawer
If you dislike jobbers, this is not the show for you. If you find it interesting despite the fact, you'll have a good time.

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Mordaedil posted:

If you dislike jobbers, this is not the show for you. If you find it interesting despite the fact, you'll have a good time.
It was trashy but fun and I love trashy fun series, so this was right up my alley.

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Mordaedil
Oct 25, 2007

Oh wow, cool. Good job.
So?
Grimey Drawer
Same Wark Say, same.

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