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George Lucas posted:Smuggling was really the result of the Empire, which has such stringent rules about tariffs, and the trade companies, which are so strong, so monopolistic. Most legitimate operators were squeezed out of the business. So Han could be described as a smuggler, but in reality he’s a free-enterprise small businessman who is trading between systems without benefit of a proper license from the trade unions. Is this the closest canon statement we have on Han's class position? I'm trying to figure out how George Lucas envisions galactic commerce. A strong central government, a few monopolies, and powerful but compliant unions makes the Empire seem like post-war US industry. That would then make Han basically into the type of business owner that fueled libertarian ideology.
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Atrocious Joe posted:Is this the closest canon statement we have on Han's class position? The evidence seems to suggest that, yeah. Lando pretty much created a state of Jefferson.
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Apr 20, 2018 00:50
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Lord and Miller should’ve made the Boba Fett movie and had MC Chris do the soundtrack. Goddamn. It would’ve been hilarious.
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Apr 20, 2018 00:52
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Lorde and Millar are CelticPredator's Zack Snyder.
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Apr 20, 2018 00:58
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Can't Fett even afford a new paint job for his Vet?
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Apr 20, 2018 01:04
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UmOk posted:Lorde and Millar are CelticPredator's Zack Snyder. Pretty much!
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Apr 20, 2018 01:12
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Every time those guys get brought up I have to look up what they've made. Two cartoons, one of which is good, an alright comedy and its sequel. I don't see what's so great about them.
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Apr 20, 2018 01:49
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UmOk posted:Every time those guys get brought up I have to look up what they've made. Two cartoons, one of which is good, an alright comedy and its sequel. I don't see what's so great about them. Jump Street is regarded as sort of a modern comedy classic, The LEGO Movie went in a different direction from what people expected a toy franchise movie to be, and Clone High might actually be one of the best animated series ever made for adults. More importantly though is that all of them comments on their genre and medium in entertaining ways.
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Apr 20, 2018 02:08
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All their films hit a perfect sweet spot for me in regards to comedy and sincerity. The fact that they can make good movies out of Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs, The Lego Movie and the Jump Street films is something of a feat on its own.
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Apr 20, 2018 02:40
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UmOk posted:Every time those guys get brought up I have to look up what they've made. Two cartoons, one of which is good, an alright comedy and its sequel. I don't see what's so great about them. Are you talking poo poo, about Clone High, my dude
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Apr 20, 2018 03:08
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Bleck posted:Are you talking poo poo, about Clone High, my dude I am not. Mostly because I have no idea what that is.
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Apr 20, 2018 03:32
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UmOk posted:I am not. Mostly because I have no idea what that is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHvN25QPWGE edit: Battlefront 2 added an Ewok vs Stormtrooper mode and it's effectively a horror game if you play as a stormtrooper. https://io9.gizmodo.com/getting-hunted-by-ewoks-in-star-wars-battlefront-ii-is-1825372193 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EMJEd1fKp0. The freaking wisties from Caravan of Courage becomes terrifying in this game. Or useful, if you play as an ewok. The MSJ fucked around with this message at 04:05 on Apr 20, 2018 |
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Apr 20, 2018 03:44
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Uncle Wemus posted:How come the empire never tried to wipe out the hutt crime syndicate I kinda figured Jabba in the OT was lying low a bit compared to his glory days - in the Phantom Menace, he's the guest of honor at a major sporting event, but in Return of the Jedi, he's hiding out in a pretty rough-looking palace out in the boondocks. The Empire might not have wiped out the syndicates, but he's under a bit more pressure than he was when Tattoine was independent. He's still big in the underworld, but he's not a de-facto civil leader anymore.
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Apr 20, 2018 12:29
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I just always figured, the whole galaxy is so huge, so so so huge, that the empire just probably doesn't give a single gently caress about random mobsters out in the rear end end of the galaxy. Theres probably some spice bootleggers out in bumfuck omega that are also running wild.
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Apr 20, 2018 16:04
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Uncle Wemus posted:How come the empire never tried to wipe out the hutt crime syndicate Because when Lucas originally envisioned the Empire, they were "America 10 years from now, after gangsters were elevated to power in a rigged election." Jabba's probably just got Palpatine's piss tape frozen in carbonite somewhere.
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Apr 20, 2018 16:14
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How could a guy with so many good political ideas fail so badly at getting them into his movies? The only contemporary politics anyone ever read into any of them was the Ewoks being the Vietcong.
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Apr 20, 2018 16:26
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business hammocks posted:How could a guy with so many good political ideas fail so badly at getting them into his movies? The only contemporary politics anyone ever read into any of them was the Ewoks being the Vietcong. i know this is a big thread, but people have been reading all sorts of politics into the movies for a long time
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Apr 20, 2018 16:28
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business hammocks posted:How could a guy with so many good political ideas fail so badly at getting them into his movies? The only contemporary politics anyone ever read into any of them was the Ewoks being the Vietcong. Serf posted:i know this is a big thread, but people have been reading all sorts of politics into the movies for a long time And to be fair there's a huge amount of willful misunderstanding. There were and still are tons of conservatives who read the Rebellion as the United States, in spite of, well, everything. A huge number of people couldn’t let go of the idea of Jedi as perfect do-gooders, so they understand every example of hypocrisy and snobbish short-sightedness in the prequels as some kind of plot hole or other mistake.
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Apr 20, 2018 16:48
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But the rebels are Americans. They’re all white and pretty and have perfect teeth, and they save the day by reenacting a World-War-II dogfight movie with their space airplanes. The empire is British nazi uniforms, plus Dracula capes. Plus, you know there’s that whole thing where American identity is founded on a national myth where a bunch of plucky white rebels defeat a foreign empire. It’s possible to read the movie the way Lucas intends, but the mixed images on the screen mean that you have to ignore a lot if you want to get there.
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Apr 20, 2018 17:00
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Yes, the idea is to make a white western audience sympathize with a group of rebels who hide out in a jungle and face total annihilation from a rain of fire, and this is done by inserting avatars of this audience into the Vietcong roles. The goal is to not cause viewers to reflexively side with or rationalize for the evil Empire, and instead make them imagine being on the opposite side of a conflict where, in real life, “their side” is the bad guys.
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Apr 20, 2018 17:18
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As we all know, the Vietcong were aristocrats who wanted to restore theocracy.
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I really don’t think it undermines the point to have a bratty aristocrat character who becomes a revolutionary and slowly gets over herself. Nor is it a problem to have it eventually revealed that the royal snob and the backwater farmboy are actually equal heirs to the same power, and yet the poor farmboy is the one who's first chosen for the task (because the guardians of the old liberal order think he’d be easier to manipulate) and is actually best for it (because he has the moral grounding to grow beyond his teachers). Sometimes the trappings of classic mythology, with princesses and knights and inheritances and the like, are workable metaphors for more modern political sensibilities.
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Zoran posted:I really don’t think it undermines the point to have a bratty aristocrat character who becomes a revolutionary and slowly gets over herself. Your reading falls apart at the start. Leia is as revolutionary in A New Hope as she is in The Last Jedi. Your interpreting her contempt for her rescuers as some kind of a classist position. What's really happening is that she's justifiably angry at how badly her rescue attempt is going. If you pay attention to their actions, the Rebels are people who want to restore Senatorial rule and a theocratic police force. The most insightful characterization given to the Rebels is that they have supporters in something called "the Imperial Senate".
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Zoran posted:Yes, the idea is to make a white western audience sympathize with a group of rebels who hide out in a jungle and face total annihilation from a rain of fire, and this is done by inserting avatars of this audience into the Vietcong roles. The goal is to not cause viewers to reflexively side with or rationalize for the evil Empire, and instead make them imagine being on the opposite side of a conflict where, in real life, “their side” is the bad guys. I just don’t think that works very well in the American context, where guerrilla rebellion and celebration of successful overwhelming violence define the dominant, conservative national character. Like Americans at once believe they are plucky underdogs and that they can and will defeat any military opponent because they’re always right. I guess this is also the problem with America’s understanding of the actual Vietnam war, though, and that Americans got really mad at anyone suggesting that the vietcong were successors to the spirit of the American Revolution.
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UmOk posted:Every time those guys get brought up I have to look up what they've made. Two cartoons, one of which is good, an alright comedy and its sequel. I don't see what's so great about them. Every time this Edgar Wright guy gets brought up I have to look up what they've made. Two parody movies, one of which is about zombies, and a comic book movie. I don't see what's so great about them.
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business hammocks posted:But the rebels are Americans. They’re all white and pretty and have perfect teeth, and they save the day by reenacting a World-War-II dogfight movie with their space airplanes. The Rebellion is depicted as pretty diverse by RotJ when the threat of the Empire is appropriately depicted as effecting more than just humans. You got your fishmen and Admiral Trap Meme, Nine Nubs, you got your Manny Bothans, It's Gonna Blow Black Pilot, background female pilot, redubbed and regendered female pilots and Lando Calrissian to round it out. A far cry from the all white with perfect teeth Rebellion of ANH and ESB. Rogue One even went and retconned that by filling out their ranks with more than just caucasian pretty boys. AndyElusive fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Apr 20, 2018 |
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Apr 20, 2018 21:03
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I always liked that old grey-haired rebel trooper that gets a close up on the Tantive in Star Wars. Pablo, let me write his origin story. His name is going to be Louie Itzalt. Decades later, soldiers are still invoking his last name for courage in the face of certain defeat in the trenches of Crait
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Apr 20, 2018 21:10
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Guy Mann posted:Every time this Edgar Wright guy gets brought up I have to look up what they've made. Two parody movies, one of which is about zombies, and a comic book movie. I don't see what's so great about them. The Babby Driver guy?
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Apr 20, 2018 22:56
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Saw this at the LEGO Store today. Han’s gonna drive Babby’s First Falcon. 
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Apr 21, 2018 03:11
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Guy Mann posted:Every time this Edgar Wright guy gets brought up I have to look up what they've made. Two parody movies, one of which is about zombies, and a comic book movie. I don't see what's so great about them. Edgar Wright far surpasses the guys who did the loving Lego movie. Christ.
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Apr 21, 2018 03:27
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Yeah that was the point of his post.
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Apr 21, 2018 03:43
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You ever think about how the cantina was a stabby dive but they had a live band playing in the middle of the day
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Ingmar terdman posted:You ever think about how the cantina was a stabby dive but they had a live band playing in the middle of the day turns out jizz-wailing is star wars' equivalent to loud, noisy punk that only gets play at dives
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Apr 21, 2018 06:11
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People in Star Wars generally seem desperate for employment and willing to work "below their station" cash, even play in dive bars despite being a pretty big band. From what we see in the prequels of how robot companies own galactic commerce it's easy to infer that the reason people don't want Droids in the Cantina is that they took everyones jobs like their starting to do in the real world and everyones pretty mad about it.
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Ingmar terdman posted:You ever think about how the cantina was a stabby dive but they had a live band playing in the middle of the day Believe it or not there were actually two EU short stories which explained exactly why the band was there. (The bandleader is a gambling addict who bet the band's instruments against a fan who wanted them to play exclusively in that bar every single day and cheated him in a card game.)
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Ingmar terdman posted:You ever think about how the cantina was a stabby dive but they had a live band playing in the middle of the day Ever been to New Orleans?
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Darko posted:Ever been to New Orleans? The jizz-wailing mecca of the galaxy.
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So what are the odds that Solo will feature Chewie pulling the arms off a droid when he loses and similar "it was mentioned before so we should show it occurring exactly" things?
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