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I really want to play SSO and push it to the extreme with stupidly gimmicky stuff like installing multiple faceup agendas just to slam 5 or 6 tokens on one piece of ice.
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I got 1 inf left in my Wu deck. What should I slap into it? Stimhack? PIOT? Emp Strike is out due to Mopus.
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Apr 5, 2018 08:55
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AgentF posted:I got 1 inf left in my Wu deck. What should I slap into it? Stimhack? PIOT? Emp Strike is out due to Mopus. Stimhack's never a bad include. Slam that scoring window shut for the low cost of a brain.
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Apr 5, 2018 09:02
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AgentF posted:I got 1 inf left in my Wu deck. What should I slap into it? Stimhack? PIOT? Emp Strike is out due to Mopus. Absolutely stimhack. Its just about the best meta-agnostic include in any deck that doesn't know what to spend its last influence.
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Apr 5, 2018 09:51
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you don't have to spend all your influence...
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Apr 5, 2018 14:29
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Machai posted:you don't have to spend all your influence... You don't have to, but it's generally a good idea because going out of faction for one card gives you a little more value in terms of flexibility.
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Apr 5, 2018 16:15
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I think you can use stimhack credits to install stuff from street peddler and SMC during the ring, right? That's another reason to rock it.
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vandalism posted:I think you can use stimhack credits to install stuff from street peddler and SMC during the ring, right? That's another reason to rock it. Yep. T1 "SMC -> Stimhack -> get mopus out for 1 Brain Damage and get a value access on a central" is the dream line of play for most green decks.
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Apr 5, 2018 19:52
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Stimhack is such a cool card. My kitchen-table crew kept pulling it out of their decks because the brain damage scared them off, until I pointed out that since I don't run trap-heavy Jinteki decks or anything in casual games they're not in the habit of keeping their grip full anyway. e: DatD is finally out today. I like Endless EULA because it makes me smile even though it looks kinda pants. Rockman Reserve fucked around with this message at 20:12 on Apr 5, 2018 |
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Apr 5, 2018 20:09
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The brain damage is practically a non-issue anyways, since most of the time it's best used by saving it until game point and the corp thinks they have a scoring window, then SURPRISE
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food court bailiff posted:Stimhack is such a cool card. My kitchen-table crew kept pulling it out of their decks because the brain damage scared them off, until I pointed out that since I don't run trap-heavy Jinteki decks or anything in casual games they're not in the habit of keeping their grip full anyway. no idea what being pants means but I think Endless EULA looks pretty strong
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Apr 5, 2018 20:54
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It's strong in the current meta (at least by me, there's a lot of Ankusa and Paperclip fracters - both of which break this for more or equal to what it costs to pay past) but if you have decent econ six to break is really nothing. Morning Star is probably a lot better now if people start slotting in Endless EULA.
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Apr 5, 2018 21:04
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Sorry for the double post but is there any way to get Tapwrm to be worth the Restricted slot without also running Sacrificial Constructs? I'm running up against influence limits really hard in this Kenma deck I keep foolishly trying to play in a post-AzMari world.
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Apr 5, 2018 23:09
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You can kinda just rely on them as being a tempo hit to the corp if you want to play aggressively, but you'd probably get more value out of employee strike if that's all you want them for.
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Apr 5, 2018 23:23
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NZ Nats and the current Titan deck doing the rounds making a value Utopia Shard worth the include. Use an Atlas counter? Maybe i'll just dump that agenda you pulled. Get tagged? Maybe that punishment will go in the bin. Think they're going to combo out? Maybe that combo gets wiped. Too much ice, or any at all? Maybe it'll go in the bin too. Utopia Shard or Stimhack #3 - the endless debate.
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I've got a cache refresh event coming up next week. Any deck suggestions or requests, open to ideas!
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Do you want my seidr list that is oppressive as gently caress until they play estrike and win instantly? You'll never get to play Ronald 5 anywhere else!
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Elizabeth Mills posted:Do you want my seidr list that is oppressive as gently caress until they play estrike and win instantly? You'll never get to play Ronald 5 anywhere else! Does it use vikram? That new 2 strength 2 etr 2 click to bypass ice would be good too.
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Apr 14, 2018 05:53
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ZorajitZorajit posted:I've got a cache refresh event coming up next week. Any deck suggestions or requests, open to ideas! Same. I'm honestly totally clueless right now. I picked up TD today and I'm tempted to just buy two random new data packs and see what I can cobble together.
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Apr 14, 2018 06:49
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There's no Film Critic in Cache Refresh, ergo I had this for NZ Nationals: https://netrunnerdb.com/en/deck/view/1108337 My Runner was just an Emergent Monolith pile I was going to play for laffs, but I ended up on stream day 2 so never actually played Cache Refresh. It was won by a Hivemind Val (Aumakua is a Good Card and no Cyberdex in the format) but I never saw the actual list.
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So if I were about to play TD for the first time, as Corp, is one faction clearly more fun than the other? I don't mean more powerful, but "more likely to lead to fun/interesting games". I'm guessing Seidr will be more fun than Skorp since Skorp's ability is so binary, but happy to be told I'm wrong!
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Apr 14, 2018 12:34
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Just don't pick Scorp if they're on Steve. I still can't believe they printed a Jesminder/Argus level hard counter ID in a sealed pool product.
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I cannot concieve how miserable TD would be for the runner if you used Skorpios. I'm playing it was my partner at the moment and it's pretty good with the HB Id, she is playing as Steve. So far it has been fairly even, using the TD plus core suggested decks.
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Thanks. Since Seidr's ability doesn't specify "reveal" then I guess I show them if the card was face up in archives but not if it was face down?
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Elizabeth Mills posted:Just don't pick Scorp if they're on Steve. I still can't believe they printed a Jesminder/Argus level hard counter ID in a sealed pool product. Yeah I picked Skorpios and my opponent picked Steve and he won a single game in the whole campaign.
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I played my first game in years and I'm seriously Amped Up. I forgot what a rush this game is. Zorajit don't read the rest of this. So I went with Order & Chaos, Down the White Nile, and Council of the Crest for my Cache Refresh packs. I'm pretty happy with my Titan deck, FA is as good as it ever was. 3x Illegal Arms Cache may be overkill? However I think the Kim deck I built might be way too heavy to run right. This limited card pool stuff is tough. No Corroder is tough. Game is tough. Let me know if there are improvements you'd make to this, I think cash flow might be my biggest issue. Cache Refresh Runner Edward Kim: Humanity's Hammer (Order and Chaos) Event (13) 3x Day Job (Order and Chaos) 2x Forked (Order and Chaos) 3x I've Had Worse (Order and Chaos) 1x Special Order (Revised Core Set) [color=#4169E1]●●[/color] 3x Sure Gamble (Revised Core Set) 1x The Maker's Eye (Revised Core Set) [color=#32CD32]●●[/color] Hardware (11) 3x Acacia (Down the White Nile) 3x Cyberfeeder (Revised Core Set) 2x Friday Chip (Council of the Crest) 1x HQ Interface (Revised Core Set) [color=#4169E1]●●[/color] 2x MemStrips (Order and Chaos) Resource (8) 3x Liberated Account (Revised Core Set) 3x Sacrificial Construct (Revised Core Set) [color=#32CD32]●●●[/color] 2x Virus Breeding Ground (Order and Chaos) Icebreaker (6) 2x Gordian Blade (Revised Core Set) [color=#32CD32]●●●●● ●[/color] 2x Mimic (Revised Core Set) 2x Morning Star (Revised Core Set) Program (7) 3x Datasucker (Revised Core Set) 2x eXer (Council of the Crest) 2x Imp (Revised Core Set) 15 influence spent (max 15, available 0) 45 cards (min 45) Cards up to Council of the Crest Deck built on NetrunnerDB.
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I haven't read it, but look forward to being beaten by it tomorrow
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AgentF posted:Yeah I picked Skorpios and my opponent picked Steve and he won a single game in the whole campaign. I was Steve and this exactly happened to me.
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Talked about this in person on Tuesday, but for the thread, some thoughts on Cache Refresh. I like the format, and I want to keep tooling around with the decks I've got. I was on Obokata / NGO Front out of Harmony, but I think I'm going to move it into Tenin. I had intended to be on 419 Aumakua but didn't have the pack in time so I ended up on CT No Tricks. 419 has a very clean tool set right now and I think is well positioned to counter Obokata Front if played well. Hopefully we can expand out playgroup and get some more games in. As for Cache Refresh itself, I appreciate the much faster rotation and smaller card pool although it's counter-intuitively made re-approaching the game a challenge for a friend that has an old cardpool. There are some complications with the rules as specified by http://www.cache-refresh.info/. Most importantly, RAW allow exactly 1 Revised Core Set which is a chore to check against in deck building tools (no tools currently support Cache Refresh to my knowledge.) Besides this, there are a surprising number of 1-of's and 2-of's in Core. Because of the availability of deck builders, I'm in favor of allowing 3xCore for simplicity and consistency with other cards, but I do respect the other side that those restrictions are important. Also of note, players can use different Deluxe Expansions for Runner and Corp, which should probably be highlighted, I built mine from a single Deluxe for both sides which I wouldn't recommend. While we didn't have players enough to break out into rounds, Cache Refresh's Best-of-One and Bidding For Sides weren't even brought up, which I'm fine with -- those rules seem to exist for the sake of using it as a quick side event. If there's positive interest, I'll consider arranging another Jinteki League for this rule set.
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Have you folks been playing with the modded format? One revised core, most recent cycle only. We played some at our shop this week and it's really quite good. Our hope is that the drastically reduced price of buy in will help us attract new players, but it honestly I found it to be just as good as the cache refresh format.
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SSO is a very good ID and I don't think people really are taking full advantage of it yet. I had a BoN deck that never ever won, I swapped out the agenda suite to add some publics and swapped in SSO for the ID and it's kind of beastly.
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food court bailiff posted:SSO is a very good ID and I don't think people really are taking full advantage of it yet. I had a BoN deck that never ever won, I swapped out the agenda suite to add some publics and swapped in SSO for the ID and it's kind of beastly.
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It doesn't even need to be multi-sub, though. With two Hollywood Renovations out you can toss down a Fire Wall and instantly turn it into a strength 11 ETR that you rez for 5 - that's 7 to break with Blackstone and two of those are Stealth creds. Then you can pump it further on subsequent turns with the Hollywood Renovations' effects themselves - just one more token brings it to 12 strength which forces a Blackstone rig to spend 10, 3 of which are stealth. You can rez Asteroid Belt for free on the runner's first turn if you have even one public 5/3 out - that's 4 creds to Blackstone through. Plus, the parenthetical effects on a lot of Wonder ice are going to absolutely wreck a Smoke style deck, since they often don't have much in the way of heap recursion (unless I'm wrong there - like you pointed out Smoke isn't super big in the meta).
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food court bailiff posted:It doesn't even need to be multi-sub, though. With two Hollywood Renovations out you can toss down a Fire Wall and instantly turn it into a strength 11 ETR that you rez for 5 - that's 7 to break with Blackstone and two of those are Stealth creds. Then you can pump it further on subsequent turns with the Hollywood Renovations' effects themselves - just one more token brings it to 12 strength which forces a Blackstone rig to spend 10, 3 of which are stealth. You can rez Asteroid Belt for free on the runner's first turn if you have even one public 5/3 out - that's 4 creds to Blackstone through. Plus, the parenthetical effects on a lot of Wonder ice are going to absolutely wreck a Smoke style deck, since they often don't have much in the way of heap recursion (unless I'm wrong there - like you pointed out Smoke isn't super big in the meta). Smoke doesn't play a stealth fracter.
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What then, Paperclip? That's still like 7 + the install cost just to break one Fire Wall at 3 tokens, I don't see how that's better. What am I missing?
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Shaper Econ involves sitting for multiple turns clicking Opus and waiting for the corp player to fall asleep so they can secretly look through R&D and take the winning agendas out, then wake up the opponent and tell them they've won. Money for using the best fracter in the game isn't a problem for them, and honestly isn't a problem for any faction (outside of most criminal IDs  )
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Paperclip really is a problem and although not quite as bad as yog making 40%of all code gates unplayable, has really hampered the ability to use barriers and it definitely feels like the current generation of ICE is designed with clippy in mind. I legitimately think the game would be much more interesting with clippy banned (not restricted) Wasn't the original argument for Lady being mwl that it was *just* a little too good? And now clippy blows that out of the water
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I have a pet theory that SSO will herald in a new Crim tricks meta of Inside Jobs, Spear Phishing and other funky tools. One beasty piece of ice doesn't mean anything when you bypass it anyway.
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