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DariusLikewise: Oct 4, 2008; You wore that on Halloween?

James Baud posted:

Did you see that the allegation is basically "Someone grabbed my rear end and I got upset, you (MP) came over and asked me what was wrong, I bet you did it!" ?

That's going nowhere fast.

(Unless, of course, the story I read wherever else was wrong.)

Where did you read that because all the news sources said police are not releasing any details at the moment.

Also

Shania Twain is bad now

http://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/twain-trump-interview-apology-1.4631086

quote:

Shania Twain has apologized after telling a British newspaper that she would have voted for U.S. President Donald Trump if she were eligible.

In an article posted on the Guardian's website Sunday, the Canadian singer said she would have supported Trump because "even though he was offensive, he seemed honest.

"Do you want straight or polite? Not that you shouldn't be able to have both... I would have voted for a feeling that it was transparent. And politics has a reputation of not being that, right?"

The comment was met with both praise and condemnation online, and led the Timmins, Ont., native to apologize in a series of tweets Sunday evening.

https://twitter.com/ShaniaTwain/status/988199906899832832

https://twitter.com/ShaniaTwain/status/988200091356991490

She said the question caught her off guard, and she regrets answering without providing more context.

Twain says she is "passionately against discrimination of any kind," and does "not hold any common moral beliefs with the current president."

Twain's most recent album, Now, was released in September. It marked her return to the studio after 15 years.

She's about to embark on her first album tour since 2002, with dates in most major Canadian cities.

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# ? May 15, 2024 16:27

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

quote:

She's about to embark on her first album tour since 2002, with dates in most major Canadian cities.

She couldn't get a spot on Kimmel like everyone else who wants a little self promotion?

# ? Apr 23, 2018 14:55

James Baud: May 24, 2015; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

James Baud fucked around with this message at 12:05 on Aug 25, 2018

# ? Apr 23, 2018 15:02

Terror Sweat: Mar 15, 2009

Rich person votes for the guy who cuts taxes, news at eleven

# ? Apr 23, 2018 15:33

InfiniteZero: Sep 11, 2004; PINK GUITAR FIRE ROBOT; College Slice

DariusLikewise posted:

Shania Twain is bad now

Wait: was she ever good?

I always thought of her more as a CanCon experiment to find out what modern country would sound like if it were produced by the Def Leppard guy (*).

(*) - Result: still bad.

# ? Apr 23, 2018 15:37

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Is modern country the same as Nu-Country or is that a different thing?

# ? Apr 23, 2018 15:52

HackensackBackpack: Aug 20, 2007; Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

lol he's actually going through with it.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/patrick-brown-allegations-1.4631196

quote:

Lawyers representing former Ontario Progressive Conservative leader Patrick Brown on Monday filed a statement of claim in Superior Court against CTV, which first reported accusations of sexual misconduct levied by two women.

Brown is seeking more than $8 million in damages from CTV, a division of Bell Media. The statement of claim also names several reporters and producers with the media organization.

On Jan. 24, CTV published an online article with allegations from two women that pertained to Brown's time as a Tory MP in Barrie. One of the women alleged that she was still in high school when Brown plied her with alcohol and attempted to coerce her to perform oral sex, details that would later change in subsequent CTV reports.

In the hours following the story's publication, Brown's inner staff circle quit and members of caucus encouraged him to step down as leader. Brown resigned at a late-night news conference at Queen's Park later that night.

Brown has since been removed from the PC caucus and sits as an Independent MPP in Simcoe North. He is not running for re-election in the coming provincial election.

He has consistently denied any wrongdoing, and has publicly criticized his accusers and CTV in social media posts. In a followup story published by CTV in February, the woman who initially said she was underage at the time of her alleged interaction with Brown revised her story, revealing she was in fact of age at the time.

An acquaintance of Brown who was allegedly present on the night of the incident in question also contradicted parts of the accuser's retelling of the allegations.

"The widespread and sensationalized broadcast and publication of the defamatory words delivered an almost immediate death blow to Mr. Brown's reputation and political career," the statement of claim reads. "Within hours, Mr. Brown was forced to resign as Leader of the ON PC Party, his rising political aspirations shattered."

The statement says polls suggested Brown was the "presumptive" next premier of Ontario before the allegations were published.

The legal notice says CTV and those named in the suit also broadcast the defamatory statements on television and in posts on Twitter and Facebook. The statement of claim also says CTV's actions amounted to the subversion of democracy in Ontario, given that they changed the trajectory of the province's politics before the June 7 election.

None of the allegations in Brown's statement of claim have been tested in court.

In an email statement to CBC Toronto, a CTV spokesperson said the outlet stands by its reporting and "will vigorously defend it in court."

Brown's resignation triggered a prolonged period of internal turmoil for the PCs as the party moved to replace him less than six months away from the election. In an emergency meeting of caucus following Brown's departure, Nipissing MPP Vic Fedeli was chosen as interim leader.

The party's executive meeting also opted to hold an open leadership contest that concluded with Doug Ford being elected leader as they prepare to take on Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne and her Liberals.

# ? Apr 23, 2018 16:45

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

Leofish posted:

lol he's actually going through with it.

The smart thing to do would be to just give him half and avoid the costly legal battle obvs

# ? Apr 23, 2018 17:11

bunnyofdoom: Mar 29, 2008; I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad!

Postess with the Mostest posted:

The smart thing to do would be to just give him half and avoid the costly legal battle obvs

Which then would be seen as an admission he was right.

# ? Apr 23, 2018 17:18

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

bunnyofdoom posted:

Which then would be seen as an admission he was right.

Yes... that was a reference to Omar Khadr.

infernal machines fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Apr 23, 2018

# ? Apr 23, 2018 17:22

DariusLikewise: Oct 4, 2008; You wore that on Halloween?

Speaking of things that shouldn't be considered terrorism, where is our Bill C-51 amendments?

https://ipolitics.ca/2018/04/23/pro..._medium=twitter

quote:

Before getting to the question posed in the headline, let�s take a very quick trip down memory lane � specifically, to last September, when your friendly neigbourhood Process Nerd marked the first round of hearings on Team Trudeau�s pot legalization plans by looking at just how far MPs could go in rewriting government legislation at the committee table.

Weighing in at just over 140 pages, the prosaically titled Cannabis Act was, at the time � and, come to think of it, may arguably still be � the most ambitious policy initiative on the Liberals� to-do list, which made it an excellent case study to explore the parameters of the power of a parliamentary committee to amend bills before sending them back to the House.

There was, however, a caveat: namely, that it would only deal with bills that had successfully passed at second reading.

As noted at the time, that�s a �crucial distinction,� as the second-reading vote is generally considered to be on approval in principle, which means that any subsequent amendments at committee must stay within the scope of the bill as initially adopted by the House.

Bills can, however, be referred to committee before second reading, and that�s exactly what Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale proceeded to demonstrate in November.

When it came time to kick off the first round of debate on his proposal to overhaul Canada�s national security and anti-terror laws � which, for those who may have lost track, the then-campaigning Liberals had pledged to review to remove any �problematic elements� brought in via the previous Conservative government�s controversial C-51 � he announced that he would be asking the House to send it to the public safety committee for a thorough going-over before being put to a vote.

The motion passed � with the support of not just the governing Liberals, but the New Democrats as well � and the committee has spent the last few months surveying a swath of expert witnesses on how the bill could be improved.

Last week, they began clause-by-clause review, and while the process is still very much underway, the committee has already exercised its authority to rewrite the bill.

So far, though, the Liberal members who collectively control the majority at the table have only backed amendments put forward by their fellow Liberals, which are, for the most part, being offered on behalf of the government.

And as iPolitics writer Rachel Gilmore reported last week, at least one of the changes made to the bill was sufficiently substantive as to raise a red flag for the Conservatives: specifically, the addition of a new section that will give the full weight of law to Goodale�s 2017 ministerial directive on the use and sharing of information with a substantial risk of leading to mistreatment or torture by a foreign entity.

�It�s a significant piece of additional information to this bill that we haven�t had a chance to have any conversation about,� Conservative MP Glen Motz complained.

Under the standard committee protocol, it�s the the sort of amendment that would almost certainly face a procedural challenge if proposed after a bill had secured House approval in principle.

After all, the word �torture� does appear in the original version of the bill, but not specifically in relation to information-sharing, nor are any such concerns included in the preamble.

Ultimately, it would be up to the committee chair � or possibly the speaker � to decide if it fell outside the scope of the legislation as drafted, which would render it inadmissible.

But by referring the bill to committee before second reading, MPs have given their colleagues the authority to refine � or expand � not just the text of the bill, but the overall goal and the underlying principles.

When the newly redrafted bill goes back to the House, MPs will be able to debate the pros and cons of the change, and, eventually, vote on whether to approve it, in principle and as written.

That, in a nutshell, is what�s going on with the proposed security law revamp right now. Will it result in a new and improved framework for balancing public safety and civil liberties to which members on both the government and opposition sides of the committee table have made meaningful, substantive contributions? On that front, the jury is still out.

# ? Apr 23, 2018 18:00

RealityWarCriminal: Aug 10, 2016

Electoral reform now.

# ? Apr 23, 2018 18:59

apatheticman: May 13, 2003; Wedge Regret

Breaking!

https://twitter.com/CityNewsAmanda/status/988476291903963136

Now we wait the fun game of Terrorist or OLD

# ? Apr 23, 2018 19:08

Baronjutter: Dec 31, 2007; "Tiny Trains"

Ban personal vehicles in cities.

# ? Apr 23, 2018 19:11

Wistful of Dollars: Aug 25, 2009

apatheticman posted:

Breaking!

https://twitter.com/CityNewsAmanda/status/988476291903963136

Now we wait the fun game of Terrorist or OLD

Bollocks

# ? Apr 23, 2018 19:13

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

apatheticman posted:

Breaking!

https://twitter.com/CityNewsAmanda/status/988476291903963136

Now we wait the fun game of Terrorist or OLD

Van makes me think terrorist, not many olds drive vans on a regular basis.

Baronjutter posted:

Ban personal vehicles in cities.

Here's the problem: sometimes people in cities want to leave them.

# ? Apr 23, 2018 19:19

Arabian Jesus: Feb 15, 2008; We've got the American Jesus
Bolstering national faith

We've got the American Jesus
Overwhelming millions every day

Motherfucker

# ? Apr 23, 2018 19:22

DariusLikewise: Oct 4, 2008; You wore that on Halloween?

Baronjutter posted:

Ban personal vehicles and olds in cities.

# ? Apr 23, 2018 19:35

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Some loving brain genius from Global is already calling it an "alleged terror incident".

Yes... alleged by you, just now, you loving wanker.

# ? Apr 23, 2018 19:37

Vintersorg: Mar 3, 2004; President of
the Brendan Fraser
Fan Club

Looks like a white guy.

https://twitter.com/waqas_mahmud/status/988484258476904448

# ? Apr 23, 2018 19:40

Powershift: Nov 23, 2009

Vintersorg posted:

Looks like a white guy.

https://twitter.com/waqas_mahmud/status/988484258476904448

It's clearly terrorism

# ? Apr 23, 2018 19:43

Baronjutter: Dec 31, 2007; "Tiny Trains"

It's interesting how the motive for a vehicle killing people is so important and totally changes the response. If this was "a terrorism" we'd see tens of millions spent of on protective bollards and the RCMP developing a "bait van" sting operation to rope some local addicts into getting high and driving vans around hoping they veer towards the sidewalk so they can bust a major terror cell.

Oh just an old white guy? eh, accidents happen. Pedestrians should always be alert, even on sidewalks, apparently two of the victims were looking at their phones. Spend money on making traffic safer? Stricter penalties and better enforcement on dangerous driving? Nah, that's a war on cars.

# ? Apr 23, 2018 19:44

RealityWarCriminal: Aug 10, 2016

Wistful of Dollars posted:

Bollocks

Bollards*

# ? Apr 23, 2018 19:45

A Typical Goon: Feb 25, 2011

The rental van tells me it was definitely a deliberate act

# ? Apr 23, 2018 19:45

Wirth1000: May 12, 2010; #essereFerrari

There's also the follow-up with the guy doing this towards a cop

https://twitter.com/waqas_mahmud/status/988487974995349506

# ? Apr 23, 2018 19:47

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Baronjutter posted:

It's interesting how the motive for a vehicle killing people is so important and totally changes the response. If this was "a terrorism" we'd see tens of millions spent of on protective bollards and the RCMP developing a "bait van" sting operation to rope some local addicts into getting high and driving vans around hoping they veer towards the sidewalk so they can bust a major terror cell.

Oh just an old white guy? eh, accidents happen. Pedestrians should always be alert, even on sidewalks, apparently two of the victims were looking at their phones. Spend money on making traffic safer? Stricter penalties and better enforcement on dangerous driving? Nah, that's a war on cars.

Bonus, there was recently a rather large and angry debate about plans to reduce the lanes, add bike lanes and expand pedestrian walkways along that stretch of road. They mayor's infrastructure board nixed the staff plan to do it and tried to spend another $25 million to shunt the separated bike lanes to a side street.

The mayor defend this by saying there's too much traffic already so no lanes could be removed here.

Wirth1000 posted:

There's also the follow-up with the guy doing this towards a cop

https://twitter.com/waqas_mahmud/status/988487974995349506

lmao. That man would have been mag dumped if he were a shade darker.

# ? Apr 23, 2018 19:53

A Typical Goon: Feb 25, 2011

Reporters are scum. Shoving cameras in witnesses faces and asking stupid questions that these people obviously wouldn�t know

# ? Apr 23, 2018 19:55

ARACHTION: Mar 10, 2012

Oh he�s white. Who wants the odds on it being called a �lone wolf� attack blamed on mental health issues instead of terrorism?*

*If it was in face a deliberate act.

# ? Apr 23, 2018 20:07

Azerban: Oct 28, 2003

infernal machines posted:

lmao. That man would have been mag dumped if he were a shade darker.

https://twitter.com/markjmillard/status/988494942954835971

# ? Apr 23, 2018 20:11

Wirth1000: May 12, 2010; #essereFerrari

https://twitter.com/BoyerMichel/status/988492132636913665

# ? Apr 23, 2018 20:14

Wirth1000: May 12, 2010; #essereFerrari

I'm the pedestrians casually walking away from this entire scene with the occasnionial glance back lmao

# ? Apr 23, 2018 20:15

CLAM DOWN: Feb 13, 2007

Wtf were those people casually sauntering by lmao

E:fb

# ? Apr 23, 2018 20:16

PittTheElder: Feb 13, 2012; Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

infernal machines posted:

Bonus, there was recently a rather large and angry debate about plans to reduce the lanes, add bike lanes and expand pedestrian walkways along that stretch of road. They mayor's infrastructure board nixed the staff plan to do it and tried to spend another $25 million to shunt the separated bike lanes to a side street.

The mayor defend this by saying there's too much traffic already so no lanes could be removed here.

lmao. That man would have been mag dumped if he were a shade darker.

Seriously, and the media will totally decline to talk about that. It'll be a story about how much professionalism and restraint the TPS showed.

# ? Apr 23, 2018 20:17

IKillForPie: Jan 13, 2006; Is that a pie in your pocket?

Wirth1000 posted:

I'm the pedestrians casually walking away from this entire scene with the occasnionial glance back lmao

Sirens, officers, a man holding a gun in the middle of the street. No worries I will just casually walk by this situation as if nothing is happening at all.

# ? Apr 23, 2018 20:19

BWV: Feb 24, 2005

Apparently it was a cell phone and not a gun.

# ? Apr 23, 2018 20:23

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

IKillForPie posted:

Sirens, officers, a man holding a gun in the middle of the street. No worries I will just casually walk by this situation as if nothing is happening at all.

Have you ever been to Toronto?

poo poo happens, half the time they're filming a TV show. Just stay out of the way.

PittTheElder posted:

Seriously, and the media will totally decline to talk about that. It'll be a story about how much professionalism and restraint the TPS showed.

I'm not going to throw shade at an officer for doing their job properly. It would be nice to see that same "professionalism and restraint" applied to everyone though.

# ? Apr 23, 2018 20:25

Wirth1000: May 12, 2010; #essereFerrari

IKillForPie posted:

Sirens, officers, a man holding a gun in the middle of the street. No worries I will just casually walk by this situation as if nothing is happening at all.

I work 3 jobs just to barely afford my studio apartment next to the subway tracks with no hot water I ain't got time for no bullshit!!

# ? Apr 23, 2018 20:26

apatheticman: May 13, 2003; Wedge Regret

infernal machines posted:

Have you ever been to Toronto?

poo poo happens, half the time they're filming a TV show. Just stay out of the way.

I'm not going to throw shade at an officer for doing their job properly. It would be nice to see that same "professionalism and restraint" applied to everyone though.

Yeah if it was the Calgary Police that guy would have been dead before the un sound was even uttered.

# ? Apr 23, 2018 20:37

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Previously that has also been the case here in Toronto. Sammy Yatim, Andrew Loku, Alex Wettlaufer (who got shot for having a cellphone in the dark), et. al.

It's been enough of a thing that we've had multiple provincial level inquiries, reviews, and task forces created to address it.

# ? Apr 23, 2018 20:41

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# ? May 15, 2024 16:27

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

Apparently at least three deaths reported so far. This is ugly.

A Typical Goon posted:

Reporters are scum. Shoving cameras in witnesses faces and asking stupid questions that these people obviously wouldn�t know

From what I've been told learning how to get juicy quotes from bereaved or shocked people is an important part of the J-School curriculum.

# ? Apr 23, 2018 20:51

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