[The Succ Zone] I unblocked you, again, to say this: You don't fucking know me.

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LGD: Sep 25, 2004

readingatwork posted:

LOL cheaper end ponies are >$1000 so a free pony program where you get 1/household would be perfectly doable. It would be a stupid waste of money and the streets of every major city would quickly be overrun with thousands of feral abandoned ponies but it�s far from an impossible task.

I mean you'd run into some real issues scaling the national supply of ponies in a timely manner

(issues which do not apply to whatever the ponies are being analogized too)

# ? Apr 23, 2018 20:15

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# ? Jun 10, 2024 01:55

Joementum: May 23, 2004; jesus christ

(the expert was obama's deputy national campaign director)

https://twitter.com/NPR/status/988274515351289857

# ? Apr 23, 2018 20:16

MaxxBot: Oct 6, 2003; you could have clapped

you should have clapped!!

How about a Jeb!s guarantee?

# ? Apr 23, 2018 20:18

docbeard: Jul 19, 2011

MaxxBot posted:

How about a Jeb!s guarantee?

A guarantee that he will never run for public office ever again? Because I feel like we have that.

# ? Apr 23, 2018 20:19

really queer Christmas: Apr 22, 2014

unions would be weakened, by having more unions. only allowing one union means this one union would be really strong.

# ? Apr 23, 2018 20:19

Joementum: May 23, 2004; jesus christ

knew they were going to blame this on the russians

https://twitter.com/Karoli/status/988473942338781184

# ? Apr 23, 2018 20:19

Wraith of J.O.I.: Jan 25, 2012

uproot yourselves amd serve the market

quote:

Unemployment is at all time record lows. There is basically a job available if you're willing to relocate to take it.

Where would these guaranteed jobs be? Would they be guaranteed with in 10 miles of your house? 50? 100? What if you live in the middle of nowhere and there are no jobs to be had? What if in one town there is a need for lots of construction labor (more than available simply from the unemployed of that town) to build infrastructure but then once that's built no more need for that job in that town.

How much would these jobs pay? If in the next recession you lose your 80k/ year job and are offered a guaranteed job at minimum wage, that's probably not going to cover your rent other bills so you're still going to be out of your home.

I would rather have a robust national unemployment insurance scheme, federal assistance for relocations, and a backstop of universal healthcare independent of ones employment rather than a jobs guarantee

# ? Apr 23, 2018 20:19

really queer Christmas: Apr 22, 2014

MaxxBot posted:

How about a Jeb!s guarantee?

the only thing jeb! can guarantee is a big fat mess!

# ? Apr 23, 2018 20:19

Nonsense: Jan 26, 2007

Joementum posted:

knew they were going to blame this on the russians

https://twitter.com/Karoli/status/988473942338781184

lol "allies"

# ? Apr 23, 2018 20:22

SKULL.GIF: Jan 20, 2017

GalacticAcid posted:

because bruenig's whole writing career has been slamming democrats from the left, and so it's not irrelevant at all, according to your criterion. i'll keep it in mind tho that by 'slamming on the dems from the left' actually means squealing with joy at every bernie sanders tweet, thanks

air-puffed whiskeyjuvenile

# ? Apr 23, 2018 20:23

Serf: May 5, 2011

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

uproot yourselves amd serve the market

imagine having the money to move literally anywhere for a job

# ? Apr 23, 2018 20:24

readingatwork: Jan 8, 2009; Hello Fatty!; Fun Shoe

MaxxBot posted:

How about a Jeb!s guarantee?

Oh? What large animal is he offering?

# ? Apr 23, 2018 20:26

ded redd: Aug 1, 2010; by Fluffdaddy

Joementum posted:

knew they were going to blame this on the russians

https://twitter.com/Karoli/status/988473942338781184

never hold yourself to account and always project your failings elsewhere

# ? Apr 23, 2018 20:26

FuriousxGeorge: Aug 8, 2007; We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.

There is basically nothing you can do to be kicked out of the establishment pundit club once you are in so it's not like it's even worth spinning a story.

# ? Apr 23, 2018 20:30

GalacticAcid: Apr 8, 2013; NEW YORK VALUES

FuriousxGeorge posted:

There is basically nothing you can do to be kicked out of the establishment pundit club once you are in so it's not like it's even worth spinning a story.

https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/918589649672601601

# ? Apr 23, 2018 20:37

galenanorth: May 19, 2016

Joementum posted:

knew they were going to blame this on the russians

https://twitter.com/Karoli/status/988473942338781184

Heffalumps, Woozles, maybe even Russians

Seriously, there are two scenarios. First, there is this vast hacker conspiracy to digitally alter the record of history and Mediaite is a participant by lying about the corroborating evidence. Second, some news anchor who already confessed to accusing a politician of being a closeted homosexual, has written more homophobic blog posts in the past. I'll assume the simplest explanation is most likely.

# ? Apr 23, 2018 20:38

readingatwork: Jan 8, 2009; Hello Fatty!; Fun Shoe

Serf posted:

imagine having the money to move literally anywhere for a job

As someone who actually did the �move out of state for work� thing I can assure you all that it blows. The city I�m in is neat but I have few friends (bonding with other human beings as an adult is a bitch) and no family support which can really get to you over time. Plus the cost of living is so high that I really can�t say for sure if the increase in pay was worth it. gently caress people who recommended this poo poo as a silver bullet for all their problems.

# ? Apr 23, 2018 20:39

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod

https://twitter.com/BlackSocialists/status/988452964099657728

why's jeb missing?was he not invited?

GalacticAcid posted:

*leftistly* love to make people work for their welfare check

why do you want workfare instead of welfare and a jobs guarantee as seperate programs?

# ? Apr 23, 2018 20:39

SKULL.GIF: Jan 20, 2017

since egg-substitute whiskeyjuvenile is apparently hungry for debate here are my thoughts on a jobs guarantee in bullet points

unemployment is low, but this is mostly because of bad/part-time/low-paying jobs. a federal jobs guarantee forces the job market to at the very least meet the federal baseline, especially re: hours, compensation, and protections, because otherwise people won't bother taking
this gets around legally passing a minimum wage for similar reasons as to above -- effectively mandating a minimum wage works just as well
"jobs require capital" is not a meaningful objection -- purchasing or leasing these tools and machinery is itself a benefit to the economy, and the government has literally unlimited power to do so if they wish. further, there's a shitload of stuff that could be done with minimal heavy equipment. america's cities and towns are decrepit and loving filthy, just simply setting up a mass beautification program, picking up litter, cleaning streets and buildings, and so on would be a big benefit that increases public happiness and invites more community participation (which has its own benefits if you're looking to push a socialist angle)
"JG jobs must be unnecessary" is ridiculous on its face
"They must be short-term and ready to deal with daily turnover" has multiple means available to mitigate that
"There won't really be anything to do" is also ridiculous on its face. There's a shitload that goes undone that could be really nice to have but there's no one to get it done because it doesn't directly generate profits. a federal jobs program is a good way to get that kind of work done
I don't mind incrementalism from leftists because they're actually trying to change the discourse, as opposed to being against incrementalism from the centrists/right-wingers, because they're using Incrementalism there as a way to get out of having to actually do anything
liking bernie does not constitute worshipping him and you know better than that. if you want to disagree or to discuss something feel free to go ahead but knock off the incredibly lazy concern trolling, it's embarrassing you even if you don't feel embarrassed

# ? Apr 23, 2018 20:40

SKULL.GIF: Jan 20, 2017

another lib gets pushed an inch towards the left

https://twitter.com/desiderioDC/status/988503471824482306

# ? Apr 23, 2018 20:53

Ruzihm: Aug 11, 2010; Group up and push mid, proletariat!

Ruzihm posted:

also kamala harris says she wont take corporate pac money.

https://twitter.com/KamalaHarris/status/988453565013331973

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3iBb1gvehI

now with youtube vid

# ? Apr 23, 2018 20:54

GalacticAcid: Apr 8, 2013; NEW YORK VALUES

SKULL.GIF posted:

since egg-substitute whiskeyjuvenile is apparently hungry for debate here are my thoughts on a jobs guarantee in bullet points

unemployment is low, but this is mostly because of bad/part-time/low-paying jobs. a federal jobs guarantee forces the job market to at the very least meet the federal baseline, especially re: hours, compensation, and protections, because otherwise people won't bother taking

this gets around legally passing a minimum wage for similar reasons as to above -- effectively mandating a minimum wage works just as well

"jobs require capital" is not a meaningful objection -- purchasing or leasing these tools and machinery is itself a benefit to the economy, and the government has literally unlimited power to do so if they wish. further, there's a shitload of stuff that could be done with minimal heavy equipment. america's cities and towns are decrepit and loving filthy, just simply setting up a mass beautification program, picking up litter, cleaning streets and buildings, and so on would be a big benefit that increases public happiness and invites more community participation (which has its own benefits if you're looking to push a socialist angle)

"JG jobs must be unnecessary" is ridiculous on its face

"They must be short-term and ready to deal with daily turnover" has multiple means available to mitigate that

"There won't really be anything to do" is also ridiculous on its face. There's a shitload that goes undone that could be really nice to have but there's no one to get it done because it doesn't directly generate profits. a federal jobs program is a good way to get that kind of work done

I don't mind incrementalism from leftists because they're actually trying to change the discourse, as opposed to being against incrementalism from the centrists/right-wingers, because they're using Incrementalism there as a way to get out of having to actually do anything

liking bernie does not constitute worshipping him and you know better than that. if you want to disagree or to discuss something feel free to go ahead but knock off the incredibly lazy concern trolling, it's embarrassing you even if you don't feel embarrassed

I don't agree with you on all of this but it's a good defense...almost like my 'concern trolling' sparked actual discussion, making it the opposite of concern trolling :smugdog:

# ? Apr 23, 2018 20:57

readingatwork: Jan 8, 2009; Hello Fatty!; Fun Shoe

Condiv posted:

https://twitter.com/BlackSocialists/status/988452964099657728

It�s a big club, and you�re not in it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cKUaqFzZLxU

# ? Apr 23, 2018 20:58

Venuz Patrol: Mar 27, 2011

docbeard posted:

A guarantee that he will never run for public office ever again? Because I feel like we have that.

the opposite. the world could only benefit from jeb running in every presidential campaign

# ? Apr 23, 2018 20:58

Ruzihm: Aug 11, 2010; Group up and push mid, proletariat!

GalacticAcid posted:

I don't agree with you on all of this but it's a good defense...almost like my 'concern trolling' sparked actual discussion, making it the opposite of concern trolling

Matt Zerella posted:

GA the puppet master leftist

# ? Apr 23, 2018 20:58

Nonsense: Jan 26, 2007

talk is for the birds

ACTION

# ? Apr 23, 2018 20:59

Wraith of J.O.I.: Jan 25, 2012

in which matt bruenig dissects the jobs guarantee (and why he hates work) in podcast form

https://twitter.com/mattbruenig/status/988438961138921472

# ? Apr 23, 2018 21:01

90s Rememberer: Nov 30, 2017; by R. Guyovich

ya im not listening to your garbage podcast if you can't type out/link his argument it's not worth listening to

# ? Apr 23, 2018 21:03

Jazerus: May 24, 2011

ultimately people are unreasonably terrified that society would fall apart if there was less working going on

but also, jobs guarantees for people who want to work aren't a bad idea

it's me, the reasonable one in the middle

# ? Apr 23, 2018 21:03

90s Rememberer: Nov 30, 2017; by R. Guyovich

Jazerus posted:

ultimately people are unreasonably terrified that society would fall apart if there was less working going on

not only would it, it is doing that

# ? Apr 23, 2018 21:04

The Muppets On PCP: Nov 13, 2016; by Fluffdaddy

GalacticAcid posted:

i donated to sanders and voted for him and likely will again depending on who else runs in 2020

The Muppets On PCP posted:

someone photoshop this over that guy from get out who says he'd vote for obama a third time if he could

# ? Apr 23, 2018 21:06

Wraith of J.O.I.: Jan 25, 2012

self unaware posted:

ya im not listening to your garbage podcast if you can't type out/link his argument it's not worth listening to

someone already posted like half a dozen of his pieces on it but ok

listening now and he just suggested a jobs guarantee where you get paid to post articles on takes.gov�i�m convinced

# ? Apr 23, 2018 21:08

Jazerus: May 24, 2011

self unaware posted:

not only would it, it is doing that

society is falling apart

it isn't because people aren't working enough

# ? Apr 23, 2018 21:08

Yinlock: Oct 22, 2008

Ruzihm posted:

also kamala harris says she wont take corporate pac money.

https://twitter.com/KamalaHarris/status/988453565013331973

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3iBb1gvehI

or to be more specific will "no longer" take corporate pac money, which is an interesting thing to specify :thunk:

# ? Apr 23, 2018 21:08

90s Rememberer: Nov 30, 2017; by R. Guyovich

Jazerus posted:

society is falling apart

it isn't because people aren't working enough

one of the many reasons the social fabric is disintegrating is that people do not have a purpose or see a future. as long as society is set up the way it is (work required to live), society will disintegrate if you don't have enough work. i'm all for abolishing the labor market and instituting full gay space luxury communism or whatever, but the idea that a jobs guarantee isn't a good stepping stone to getting there is hogwash

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

someone already posted like half a dozen of his pieces on it but ok

you mean the resident puppetmaster who fled after people started discussing his dumb links? and ended with a defense of "I don't agree with you but this justifies my poor trolling"

# ? Apr 23, 2018 21:13

Ytlaya: Nov 13, 2005

Joementum posted:

knew they were going to blame this on the russians

https://twitter.com/Karoli/status/988473942338781184

I recognize this person because my dad reads that blog (crooksandliers). Older liberals are the worst, because they don't really have any ideology aside from a feeling of distaste towards the idea of "stuffy fundamentalist Christian types."

# ? Apr 23, 2018 21:13

GalacticAcid: Apr 8, 2013; NEW YORK VALUES

im still here im just not gonna bother typing out extensive arguments for the succ zone, which is a zone of succ (it's right there in the name)

# ? Apr 23, 2018 21:14

90s Rememberer: Nov 30, 2017; by R. Guyovich

GalacticAcid posted:

im just not gonna bother typing out extensive arguments

how could you? you don't have one

# ? Apr 23, 2018 21:15

Ruzihm: Aug 11, 2010; Group up and push mid, proletariat!

Would a jobs guarantee lower the general rate of profit? I think it might.

I don't see any reason a UBI would.

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Matt Zerella: Oct 7, 2002; Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

GalacticAcid posted:

im still here im just not gonna bother typing out extensive arguments for the succ zone, which is a zone of succ (it's right there in the name)

You should, you have galactic brain takes (it's right there in the name)

# ? Apr 23, 2018 21:16

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