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Charles posted:It's kind of amazing how even the smallest animals & brains are still more capable than the most advanced computers and sensors in many ways. Nature spent billions of years 'programming', compare that to our bumbling around for a few decades at most.
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Charles posted:It's kind of amazing how even the smallest animals & brains are still more capable than the most advanced computers and sensors in many ways.
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Apr 23, 2018 00:48
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My cat can't even deliver same day auto parts to me, so much for evolution.
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Elephanthead posted:I love inanimate objects because they can't reject my affection. As soon as they're able to run away from you, they probably will. That day might come pretty soon as well.
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Apr 23, 2018 02:19
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Powershift posted:As soon as they're able to run away from you, they probably will. Most certainly some ironclad ownership dedication will be programmed in as the basis of their personality.
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MrYenko posted:floor vent Thanks! It seemed obvious but I had not seen any pics yet.
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The Sicilian posted:I'M AN ANTISOCIAL GROGNARD HURR DURR This recent spat with you and whomever spawned 5 reports on you from 5 different people. I want you to take some time off and really think about why you're in this thread, what it's doing for your life, and whether you'd like to be the guy that gets banned from posting in the nerdy electric vehicle thread of an automotive subforum of a comedy forum.
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Elephanthead posted:My cat can't even deliver same day auto parts to me, so much for evolution. nah your cat can, it just doesn't want to cant wait until our dynamic enclosure installation robot decides that actually it would prefer to work on its painting today, thank you
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I canceled my model 3 preorder. 3 options were presented - debit card sent to you, bank transfer, or a paper check. Contrary to previous horror stories, I had the bank draft completed within a couple business days. The paper check option did say 30-60 business days.
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big crush on Chad OMG posted:I canceled my model 3 preorder. 3 options were presented - debit card sent to you, bank transfer, or a paper check. Glad to hear it was painless. If things take a turn for Tesla the process could get bad in a hurry.
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Apr 23, 2018 14:57
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FistEnergy posted:Glad to hear it was painless. If things take a turn for Tesla the process could get bad in a hurry. Part of my reason to cancel actually. I WFH now and my 2017 GTI has been paid off for awhile, so a replacement or additional car is peak financial stupidity. If the situation changes (car gets totaled) then I can look to see if it’s a viable solution then. Otherwise I’m content racking up about 400 miles a month.
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Those of you who charge every day; have you noticed any battery degradation long term? I'm in the UK and have a Leaf that has lost 1 bar of capacity due to the previous owner rapid charging every single time. The advice I've been given is to drain the battery to around 30-40% before charging up again (every 3-4 days for me), but I'm about to get a charge point which would mean plugging in would be super easy and could just do it every evening instead when it's lost around 10 or 20% I know the Leaf has shitter battery management than most cars too which may be a factor. Cancelbot fucked around with this message at 08:50 on Apr 25, 2018 |
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I don't think it's going to make a lot of difference on a Leaf - either way you're going to get degradation. There are a large number of earlier Leafs coming into New Zealand and many of them have 7 or 8 bars left at 5-6 years old and 50,000km
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Cancelbot posted:Those of you who charge every day; have you noticed any battery degradation long term? I'm in the UK and have a Leaf that has lost 1 bar of capacity due to the previous owner rapid charging every single time. The advice I've been given is to drain the battery to around 30-40% before charging up again (every 3-4 days for me), but I'm about to get a charge point which would mean plugging in would be super easy and could just do it every evening instead when it's lost around 10 or 20% It's not how often you charge that wears, but charging power and sitting for a long time at extreme states of charge, near empty or full. Earlier battery tech like NiMH had memory effect which meant you should let it discharge a certain amount, but with lithium ones you can charge and discharge however you like. But charging to 100% every day and then never going much below 80-90% will lead to faster wear on the battery. The first years of Leaf had an option to limit charge to 80%, but it was removed in 2014 I think. They will probably get around to putting it back in, as pretty much all other manufacturers recognize that max battery life is achieved by avoiding sitting at 100% for long periods of time. That said, the 100%-level cell voltage of the Leaf is lower than for instance Teslas, so it wears less. Also, you can just make some habits, like don't charge on weekends or when away (less risk hoodies will nick cable), don't charge when it's raining (cable gets dirty), etc. Long life mode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8NLoR7dcGE If the 80%-limit isn't available on yours, you can also set it up via charge timers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeR0SXzQdto If you have 2 kW charging power you probably only need to charge a few hours every night, if you're only using 10-20% of the battery daily.
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Thanks! Yeah right now we're on the EVSE which is 2.4kw, and as its a 2012 it only has 3.5kw charging capability from our 7kw charger (we're getting it so people won't steal the £300 EVSE...). Amazingly it's only down 1 block of capacity after 6+ years. Being so old it probably has the 80% setting, but we've never used it.
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Apr 25, 2018 11:10
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Leaf batteries degrade because of heat. There are several way to heat them up but only a fan to cool them off. Extreme power in and out of them is also a problem but mostly only because of the battery temp. Nissan limits quick charging to 2 times a day now 2018 40 kw packs, which really screws up any chance of daisy chaining down the highway even if you live where it is loving cold. As soon as I can find a mild climate 30KW leaf for 11k I will get another one. On the bright side replacement battery cost should come down to $4,000 USD soon so who cares.
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Apr 25, 2018 11:20
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I've seen the battery temp rise after accelerating up a hill and then regenerating down the other side (13% grade), it's certainly not insignificant.
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Cancelbot posted:Thanks! Yeah right now we're on the EVSE which is 2.4kw, and as its a 2012 it only has 3.5kw charging capability from our 7kw charger (we're getting it so people won't steal the £300 EVSE...). Amazingly it's only down 1 block of capacity after 6+ years. A 2012 with only one bar missing is really good. If you have the 80% thing, just set that and plug it in every day and you're good. Elephanthead posted:Nissan limits quick charging to 2 times a day now 2018 40 kw packs, which really screws up any chance of daisy chaining down the highway even if you live where it is loving cold. I'm not fully up to date on this controversy, but if it's just hard coded two times a day, it's incredibly stupid. No regard for temperature, no regard for how many lifetime quick charges, just a hard limit. For the sake of 40 kW Leaf owners I hope it can be fixed in a software update, but for me that alone would be a deal breaker.
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Apr 25, 2018 11:29
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What does getting rain on a cable have to do with charge rate?
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Subjunctive posted:What does getting rain on a cable have to do with charge rate? Absolutely nothing, why?
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BMW concept EV x3 looks really good: https://electrek.co/2018/04/25/bmw-ix3-all-electric-suv-range-specs/ If the production model is close to these specs and the price is similar to the ICE x3 I can see this being a big hit. I never liked the i3, to much of the "quirky EV" stuff that has always doomed battery cars, it seemed like a tech demo and not a real product. This thing is pretty much exactly what the masses want, well other then the luxury price.
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Definitely liking the look of that BMW, at least to the extent that I am capable of liking a wannabe SUV. Enough design elements to probably satisfy most of the "I want everyone around to know I'm driving an EV" crowd while still otherwise looking normal enough that the untrained eye wouldn't easily pick it out from a bird's eye view of a parking lot. A lot of the X3s I see in driveways seem to be second cars too, so if my perception is correct on that many of those buyers (or more likely lessors) might not care about the road trip capability as long as it can handle their secondary daily driver needs. wolrah fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Apr 25, 2018 |
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Ola posted:Absolutely nothing, why? I don’t understand this part of your post: quote:That said, the 100%-level cell voltage of the Leaf is lower than for instance Teslas, so it wears less. Also, you can just make some habits, like don't charge on weekends or when away (less risk hoodies will nick cable), don't charge when it's raining (cable gets dirty), etc. How do those habits help with power management?
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Subjunctive posted:I don’t understand this part of your post: He's saying that since the Leaf doesn't have advanced power management, you can play games with yourself to decide when not to charge it to prolong battery heath. "Don't charge while raining" is a way to remind yourself to skip charging and it has the side effect of keeping the cable clean.
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bull3964 posted:He's saying that since the Leaf doesn't have advanced power management, you can play games with yourself to decide when not to charge it to prolong battery heath. "Don't charge while raining" is a way to remind yourself to skip charging and it has the side effect of keeping the cable clean. Exactly. Minimizing the amount of time at >90% state of charge, given a suitable usage/weather pattern. The charge rate is obviously the same. You'd quickly run out of juice where I live. Much better to just flip a "limit to 80%" switch.
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My Leaf has the 80% limit thing, and that's a late 2014 model. If it had been removed, it must have been with the 2015 model or later.
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The polestar one is going to be $155,000 and only gets 93 miles electric range before becoming a FWD gas hybird. Super disappointing.
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Interesting article about electric buses. They're really catching on in China. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-23/electric-buses-are-hurting-the-oil-industry quote:All this is starting to make an observable reduction in fuel demand. And because they consume 30 times more fuel than average sized cars, their impact on energy use so far has become much greater than the passenger sedans produced by companies from Tesla Inc. to Toyota Motor Corp.
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Ola posted:A 2012 with only one bar missing is really good. If you have the 80% thing, just set that and plug it in every day and you're good. Surely it is software coded, but no they are not going to remove it. It is to prevent warrenty claims. It is not battery temp dependant. Some guy in Scotland documented it as he drives from the top to the bottom and back cause he is old. He couldn't quickcharge like he had in the past and the 30kw leaf did the trip faster because of it so he was mad.
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kimcicle posted:In other EV news, BMW has put out a new teaser for the upcoming X3 electric. Full reveal at the Beijing Auto Show. Late, but looks like a Kia grille.
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I'm really jazzed about that iX3. I loath the tesla X but would really like a more suv form factor for various reasons. Might be what we end up swapping our S out for in a few years. If their charging situation gets better anyway. As much as some folks like to downplay the super charger situation, it is super handy.
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Model X ranks high for ugliest car in production.
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Speleothing posted:Model X ranks high for ugliest car in production. I'd tolerate it if it weren't for those lovely gullwing doors. I drove a leaf for 6 years. I can deal with ugly. I can't deal with non functional.
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So is anyone excited about this? Should I not be? https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2018/3/5/17072850/volkswagen-ev-i-d-vizzion-mile-range-2022
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silicone thrills posted:gullwing doors. *Ahem*
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Ola posted:Interesting article about electric buses. They're really catching on in China. 9,000 buses a week.....!?!?
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:9,000 buses a week.....!?!? China is four times bigger than the US by population, has a lot of urban centers with major air pollution problems, and has zero fear of outright telling companies "go build this pronto" even if it might result in them having more of whatever it is than they actually need.
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Speleothing posted:Model X ranks high for ugliest car in production. The absolute worst part of it is the rear end. So big and bland. Like a skip or something.
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McStephenson posted:So is anyone excited about this? Should I not be? Someone slapped a VW badge and some Rimz on a tesla?
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Elephanthead posted:Someone slapped a VW badge and some Rimz on a tesla? Particularly the Zs. Herr Direktor Karl-Heinz (78) has consulted his cool son Wernher (53) and he says that young people thinks names with Zs are really cool.
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