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The idea of autonomous regions sound great on paper where there’s local customs and rules and languages. It’s too bad one country two systems is being side lined. Worst part every change seems so arbitrary
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Why do you need two systems if Emperor Xi knows everything?
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Apr 25, 2018 16:38
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Bathtub Cheese posted:It could obviously be better but remaining a useful idiot for people with no interest in making it so isn't going to lead anywhere productive. The terms of the debate and the legitimacy of the information should not be set by American propaganda, then handwaved or smokescreened with insults when this is brought up. The accusations of bad faith, being a "wumao", etc are especially hypocritical in this context. You're a much less interesting bad faith wumao than Peven Stan, that's for sure. His bullshit is entertainingly grandiose, yours is just tedious
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Apr 25, 2018 16:39
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hypnophant posted:You're a much less interesting bad faith wumao than Peven Stan, that's for sure. His bullshit is entertainingly grandiose, yours is just tedious Liberals: everyone who disagrees with our imperialist project is a wumao or Russian bot!!
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Apr 25, 2018 16:42
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i’m the unironic “we put your dumb language on your money, therefore it’s okay to deny you education in your language,” tack for denying ethnic cleansing
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Apr 25, 2018 16:42
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Being repeatedly peppered with insults and attacks on my character for dissenting from thread groupthink isn't tedious bad faith, okay
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Apr 25, 2018 16:44
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Bathtub Cheese posted:Being repeatedly peppered with insults and attacks on my character for dissenting from thread groupthink isn't tedious bad faith, okay Given how ok liberals are with racial ad homs I’m shocked they haven’t accused you of being a race traitor yet
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Apr 25, 2018 16:48
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Darkest Auer posted:Why do you need two systems if Emperor Xi knows everything? Umm two systems do exist but only to the central authorities interpretation when it’s convenient such as implementing the belt and road project and financing capital. And china is technically a democratic system with more than one party.
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Bathtub Cheese posted:Being repeatedly peppered with insults and attacks on my character for dissenting from thread groupthink isn't tedious bad faith, okay That's not why you're getting attacked, people just find your absolute refusal to address the core point of the other side, combined with your constant and obvious whataboutism, to be tedious and obnoxious
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hypnophant posted:You're a much less interesting bad faith wumao than Peven Stan, that's for sure. His bullshit is entertainingly grandiose, yours is just tedious I'm going to entertain the thought that even though we completely disagree, Bathtub Cheese is probably a better poster than most people in this thread. Peven Stan is, indeed, entertainingly grandiose. hypnophant posted:That's not why you're getting attacked, people just find your absolute refusal to address the core point of the other side, combined with your constant and obvious whataboutism, to be tedious and obnoxious At least he's consistently engaging the issue and admitted that the situation "could be better". Whataboutism isn't worse than ad hominems and that's what about 40% of this thread is. At least some of them are artfully constructed and entertaining to read. Heithinn Grasida fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Apr 25, 2018 |
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Apr 25, 2018 16:54
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caberham posted:The idea of autonomous regions sound great on paper where there’s local customs and rules and languages. these paragraphs were separate thoughts, right? the system of autonomous regions, prefectures, townships, etc. is totally different from one country two systems
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Apr 25, 2018 16:56
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Peven Stan posted:Given how ok liberals are with racial ad homs I’m shocked they haven’t accused you of being a race traitor yet You were the first to call me a white dude, then an uncle Wong. You aren’t much of a race traitor because no races ever want to take you in. But back on track about xinjiang it’s a tricky place and this continue treatment of Uighurs is a deliberate attempt by the establishment to foster conflict and a big us vs them attitude
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Heithinn Grasida posted:I'm going to entertain the thought that even though we completely disagree, Bathtub Cheese is probably a better poster than most people in this thread. This thread is, admittedly, utter poo poo, but it is incredible stretch to call anything Bathtub cheese has done "engaging with the issue"
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Apr 25, 2018 17:01
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R. Guyovich posted:these paragraphs were separate thoughts, right? the system of autonomous regions, prefectures, townships, etc. is totally different from one country two systems Uh huh. And Guangxi province is legitimately and completely autonomously governed by its 30 something% of the population Zhuang minority. "Actually, the huge economic gulf between ethnic minorities and Han isn't nearly as bad as some agitators say. And if those bad elements just kept quiet and minded their own business, the whole ethnicity would be much better off. I'm not racist, but their culture just doesn't have the same entrepreneurial spirit and work ethic of the Han. That's why they can't get good jobs even though the affirmative actions system gives them a huge advantage in society. But it's okay, they're free of spirit and innocent. Did you know most traditional Chinese music comes from ethnic minorities?"
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I don't think that's what Guyovich was saying; 自治区and 一国两制 are two different ideas that are usually talked about in different contexts, and I'm not sure Hong Kong is even considered a 自治区 in the Chinese system
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Apr 25, 2018 17:55
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Hong Kong would be ran a lot better with a Party Political Commissar to help with the Chief Executive.
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I had high hopes but they keep getting dashed every few months, each li forward is another 10 backwards. Regarding Xinjiang it's pretty tragic because historically at least from the perspective of a westerner looking in from the outside, China's minorities have contributed greatly to Chinese imperial power and might, Chinese culture and technology, and so on and embraced as stakeholders in developing the modern Chinese state. You even have the case of Westerners possibly having precedent of helping develop Chinese civilization if you're a Chinese propagandist you could dig up the apocryphal accounts of ancient Romans helping build fortified settlements in Western China and just double down on the story as fact; I'm sure there's just as much legitimacy there as some of the random stuff that Korea/Manchu's/Japanese/Chinese all equally claim about each other.
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Apr 25, 2018 20:17
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hypnophant posted:I don't think that's what Guyovich was saying; 自治区and 一国两制 are two different ideas that are usually talked about in different contexts, and I'm not sure Hong Kong is even considered a 自治区 in the Chinese system hong kong and macau are 特區
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Raenir Salazar posted:I had high hopes but they keep getting dashed every few months, each li forward is another 10 backwards. Matteo Ricci dude.
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Apr 25, 2018 21:26
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Apr 25, 2018 22:48
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hypnophant posted:I don't think that's what Guyovich was saying; 自治区and 一国两制 are two different ideas that are usually talked about in different contexts, and I'm not sure Hong Kong is even considered a 自治区 in the Chinese system yes this is right. hong kong and macao are SARs, not autonomous regions. appreciate the weird guy doing a big long fake quote because he has no reading comprehension though
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R. Guyovich posted:yes this is right. hong kong and macao are SARs, not autonomous regions. appreciate the weird guy doing a big long fake quote because he has no reading comprehension though I didn’t think any other kinds of posts were allowed in this thread.
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Peven Stan posted:Best thing trump ever did for this country was gut the state department of its nougat filled, liberal interventionist center so all the baby dulleses in this thread can do is whine and flail 
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icantfindaname posted:I mean 79. But Iran was certainly an American-backed dictatorship/monarchy, and it stopped being terrible because the 79 revolution was good
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So Peven, I gather that you’re looking forward to the Rapture.
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The Times had a couple pieces recently about Chinese firms advertising that they have pretty women to sexually harass, or trying to recruit pretty girls to "soothe" their male employees. Someone in one of the threads about the shitbag in Canada pointed out that it's not a woman's job to soothe men. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/23/opinion/chinese-tech-sexism.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/24/business/china-women-technology.html
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hypnophant posted:I don't think that's what Guyovich was saying; 自治区and 一国两制 are two different ideas that are usually talked about in different contexts, and I'm not sure Hong Kong is even considered a 自治区 in the Chinese system I got that part. Holy poo poo I read 明报 and 苹果日报 all the time to practice reading stuff in traditional characters. I read this post: caberham posted:The idea of autonomous regions sound great on paper where there’s local customs and rules and languages. as suggesting that autonomous regions and “one country two systems” are equally hollow. So I found this: R. Guyovich posted:these paragraphs were separate thoughts, right? the system of autonomous regions, prefectures, townships, etc. is totally different from one country two systems a post suggesting that caberham, the guy who frequently posts in the thread that he lives in Hong Kong and seems to identify as a Hong Konger, doesn’t know the basic administrative status of the city he lives in to be particularly arrogant and condescending. So I made a snippy reply as to the hollow ring of the name “autonomous region”. But my post was legitimately terrible, so I apologize.
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Well, I quit my job today and start at one of the big Chinese tech companies next week. Nobody during the recruiting process so much as alluded to pretty girls fwiw so that’s progress I guess?
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Heithinn Grasida posted:a post suggesting that caberham, the guy who frequently posts in the thread that he lives in Hong Kong and seems to identify as a Hong Konger, doesn’t know the basic administrative status of the city he lives in to be particularly arrogant and condescending. i was worried asking the question would come off that way. i was really just getting confirmation because it would indeed be odd for him not to know that.
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Beefeater1980 posted:Well, I quit my job today and start at one of the big Chinese tech companies next week. Nobody during the recruiting process so much as alluded to pretty girls fwiw so that’s progress I guess? I was under the impression that China had a pretty good record (considering - of course) in the subject of labor force participation/equality. In some way, gender equality was an artifact left from Mao era (you know, "They hold up half the sky", and stuff). Charlene Barshefsky, the main negotiator for the US/China WTO discussion, said in an interview that when she entered the office as a women and the lead negotiator, none of her Chinese counterpart showed any surprise, which was a surprise to her. At least, that was my impression. I'm pretty sure that there are many issues with sexism and misogyny in China right now, could this be somewhat linked to the modernization of the economy? I really have no insight to this stuff.
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In other news.. Huawei Is Under U.S. Criminal Investigation For Illegal Iran Sales: Here's What's Next quote:On Wednesday, the Wall Street Journal reported that the Justice Department is investigating whether Huawei violated U.S. export sanctions related to Iran.
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They investigate Huawei on the same day the trade group go to Beijing? Why even bother to send people over there then.
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whatever7 posted:They investigate Huawei on the same day the trade group go to Beijing? Why even bother to send people over there then. Presumably they think they can effectively use dropping all of these simultaneous cases as leverage over China rather than triggering (more) retaliatory cases against US, EU, etc. firms.
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Considering trade action against ZTE crippled the company to the point where people aren't sure it can exist without indefinite state support it's not a bad strategy.
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Huawei has a Facebook ad campaign going to the effect of "seriously we are not spy equipment for the Chinese government please buy our handsets" that makes me literally laugh out loud every time I see it. I love it
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In other news, Modi is in China again. This has been described as a "no agenda meeting", I'm willing to guess though that they are trying for a small reset of sorts, - at least if anyone can budge on Doklam. 
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Another American backed "human rights activist" turns out be a closet nazi
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AfD is ironically less nationalist than the ccp.
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