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The Muppets On PCP posted:they're black jezebel Jezebel was good for a while when Jia Tolentino was editing it, I haven’t looked at it in ages though
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etalian posted:Instead of whining progressives should get off their off their rear end and run for office.
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emdash posted:sometimes you gotta sit back for a second and remember that, in the grand scheme of things, almost no one anywhere has any technical knowledge they can apply to understand what the word "hacking" entails. Then you look at the explosion in popularity of blaming things on hacking and it's just wow, whoa hacking also connotes something violent or forced in its verbiage so its easy to stigmatize and tries to take focus off what really had happened. It's like trying to say that you searched Joy's post without some kind of warrant, which is ridiculous since they're public domain keep loving that chicken this is why you should take social media with a grain of salt since its 99% reactionary tabloid trash and bickering into a void if you are hearing whining, its just that, into a void. There are actual people doing actual things. Talk is always cheap More women are running for office as well as a result of all of this. Lastgirl has issued a correction as of 22:41 on Apr 26, 2018 |
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Lastgirl posted:hacking also connotes something violent or forced in its verbiage so its easy to stigmatize and tries to take focus off what really had happened. It's like trying to say that you searched Joy's post without some kind of warrant, which is ridiculous since they're public domain the people running in my area are overwhelmingly women, and probably like 50% white. if these people get in it'd be incredible.
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joepinetree posted:The best example is what happened to Anoa Changa (and I am sorry to sound like a broken record, but it is the sort of bullshit that has gotten little to no press outside of leftist circles). Anoa is a DSA member and has just been elected to the steering committee of the southern caucus of DSA. She has been the main driving force in bridging the gap between democrats and DSA, especially in terms of getting DSA to support women of color running for office (and, as such, doing precisely the sort of thing these centrist reactionaries claim to do). She was a guest on a couple of shows that that were broadcast on Sputnik. Because of that, the Atlanta Journal Constitution and NPR made her out to be a Putin stooge. Which in turn led a bunch of GA democrats to disavow her and say they regret ever participating with her on anything. She is perhaps the clearest case of having a lifetime as an activist derailed by the neomcarthyism of the Russia hysteria. And not only have these people laid the foundations for this, they are absolutely silent as the democratic establishment has essentially treated her as toxic. It's difficult to discuss this issue, because people just reply "ARE YOU SAYING THE RUSSIANS AREN'T DOING BAD THINGS??!" and there's no way to introduce any nuance. The people you're talking with just magically "know" that you're some "white leftist tankie bro neckbeard IT worker" or whatever, and there's no pushing past that. I strongly think there's a big element of projection at play here, since most of these folks are considerably more well-off than most of the leftists I know (it's downright uncanny how often my "anti-leftist liberals are well-off" hypothesis has been vindicated, with exactly one exception). Like, I'm an opiate addict who was radicalized largely through the things I've seen and experienced as a result, and my mainstream liberal years were the ones when I was still in the privileged bubble of college; it's the complete opposite of this weird "leftists are all super privileged" stereotype. I mean, I'm sure privileged leftists exist, but not at any exceptionally high rate. hi liter posted:yea im full of poo poo what of it It's actually kind of sad because that guy probably has more intellectual honesty than most people, but he just isn't willing to cross the finish line and apply it. GalacticAcid posted:it bugs me that 'liberal' is just used to mean 'democrat i don't like' now, i have to say It is admittedly difficult to think of a good alternative that isn't excessively long. A lot of these folks aren't actually centrist (at least compared with people like, say, Chait), but a lot of the people attacking them as "liberals" and calling themselves "leftists" are also technically liberals themselves. What I usually say is "anti-left liberals," because there's a very specific type of liberal who is both aware of the radical left and actively dislikes and complains about them. Ytlaya has issued a correction as of 22:59 on Apr 26, 2018 |
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Pittsburgh DSA declines to endorse Fetterman, other Democratic hopefuls vying for its support Objections came from two major sources, per this article -- 1) Fetterman backed Paul Costa over (DSA-backed) Summer Lee ~ Costa had some pro-life votes in his past and 2) he opposed revoking tax-exempt status for some massive non-profits like UPMC. Number 2) seems like a genuine flaw to me -- there's just an inexcusable amount of non-taxed property in Pittsburgh taken up by hulking healthcare, academic, and religious institutions, and the healthcare providers in particular exploit their non-profit status for administrative enrichment basically. At another event, YDSA members at Pitt questioned Fetterman on some selective support for fracking. That said, he has pretty good messaging and is leagues better than the sitting piece of poo poo. Hilariously, Ed Rendell has endorsed him, so he might wind up with actual mainline party support. Rendell's always more or less occupied the party's right wing. I should add, 1) I moved away a few years ago so I rely on reports from friends back home and 2) a good friend of mine is good friends with Fetterman, so I'm sort of sympathetic to him altho I've always been leery of his glowing media reception. Would be curious to hear takes from PA goons. Ytlaya posted:What I usually say is "anti-left liberals" I think that's smart and accurate.
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Vote for Fetterman since he'll stun bad dem centrists with his wrestling moves
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Oh Snapple! posted:The biggest trend I've seen is an inability to understand that people can care about many different things and place a high priority on several things at once, which is why you'll see things like the leftier posters being accused of hiding behind blown up Yemenis so that they don't have to care about black people. At it's core, it's understandable - there is a certain amount of privilege in being in a "good enough" place where you can see horrific injustices all over and very genuinely consider all of them a priority. When you're black, when you're the victim of those of those horrific injustices, prioritization of your group's issues is kind of a no-brainer and I truthfully don't fault anyone for it. The problem is when this prioritization takes the form of the "gently caress everyone else" line you'll see from folks like Imani, or a willingness to downplay or outright ignore poo poo being done or said to other victims because the person doing that poo poo is part of your group and thus the priority is to salvage that person's presence as a representative figure. yeah, the “i will always prioritize my abortion rights over drone strikes” tweet is that sentiment taken to its most ridiculous extreme when in reality denying marginalized people abortion rights and droning yemeni weddings are not discrete actions
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Ytlaya posted:It's actually kind of sad because that guy probably has more intellectual honesty than most people, but he just isn't willing to cross the finish line and apply it. nah michael harriot is a massive shithead GalacticAcid posted:Jezebel was good for a while when Jia Tolentino was editing it, I haven’t looked at it in ages though it's dkos level succ on the other hand it makes for good reading over at the splinter comments section The Muppets On PCP has issued a correction as of 00:08 on Apr 27, 2018 |
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Main Paineframe posted:I feel like these people genuinely do care, but they've bought into the "racist Bernie bros" story so hard that they're unable to shake the association and separate the smears from the facts. There's people in my own life who honestly believe in economic equality and free healthcare and poo poo, but whenever the subject turns to Bernie they just repeat that "Bernie shittalked identity politics, that means he thinks racism doesn't matter" stuff. Yeah, this is basically how I feel, at least when it comes to the actual minorities who feel this way (I have far less patience for privileged white people who just happen to be pushing against the guy who would increase their taxes). It's understandable for a person to just always err on the side of trusting assertions that "X person/group is bigoted," and there's no way for me to address that without sounding condescending (since "I understand why you feel this way, but others are taking advantage of your good intentions" is an incredibly condescending thing to say, even if it's true). Also, as you say, there is actual bigotry on the left (just like there is literally everywhere), so the left is put in an impossible position where all options are bad. Like, if they do the following: 1. Deny - Someone can correctly point out that bigotry does exist on the left, so this looks bad. 2. Acknowledge it - this will just support the "left has unique problems with bigotry" narrative. The person may end up viewing you as a person more positively, but they'll still come away thinking poorly of the radical left. 3. Acknowledge it while pointing out it's even worse with the mainstream center-left - this will be perceived as deflection or an attempt to downplay things 4. Be the first to accuse the center-left of bigotry - doesn't work in the long run, simply because there are more center/center-left voices out there bad-mouthing the left The conclusion I've reached is that it is simply impossible to address this as a white person (well, Jewish, but I consider that white from the perspective of most other minorities). "There's no way to persuade some people with reason alone" is kind of condescending in its own way, but I feel like there's no way to avoid some form of condescension when you're dealing with people who are ultimately wrong. All I can do is hope that other left-leaning PoC speak with them at some point (and otherwise hope the growing legitimacy of the left solves this problem on its own).
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Cornflakes posted:yeah, the “i will always prioritize my abortion rights over drone strikes” tweet is that sentiment taken to its most ridiculous extreme I mean, even if your choices are (as they often are) "abortion rights, but occasional drone strikes" vs "WOMEN ARE CATTLE FOR OUR AMUSEMENT AND WE WILL MURDER THE WHOLE REST OF THE WORLD" you still have the option of demanding better choices.
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etalian posted:I'm wondering how Suck zones hillfolk like WJ and Crooked CC can explain this? you sound like Democrats whining that Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell won’t bring common sense gun control like universal background checks to a floor vote the 2016 Bernie movement acted as though having good ideas was all you needed, and institutions and control thereof didn’t matter. The participation in state party process and the like signals that the movement is learning what it takes to succeed in liberal bourgeoisie politics
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:p unironically cool that pittsburgh’s paper is reporting on dsa endorsements Was pretty lol how DSA candidates were able to get rid of some corrupt party democrats by actually running and successfully contesting elections
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The Muppets On PCP posted:nah michael harriot is a massive shithead dem thrones is incredible and weirdly he voted for bernie, dunno what happened at the root
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Seeing all this reaction about Joy Ann Reed makes me think of that centrist guy's tweet about how in order to survive the dems must purge their base. Cause he was totally right, but it's of people like him and all these insane weirdos.
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i think out of that slew of insults, faker was probably the one that stung the most
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You can push this Bernie Brodette all you want ..... she's not getting my vote in 2020
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:https://twitter.com/comrade_mack050/status/989560119099822081?s=21 this is fantastic
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:you sound like Democrats whining that Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell won’t bring common sense gun control like universal background checks to a floor vote To quote a retard named WJ, "why are you focusing on election strategy, just build a movement"
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:https://twitter.com/comrade_mack050/status/989560119099822081?s=21 drat this was good. virginians, put him in us congress please.
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really queer Christmas posted:drat this was good. virginians, put him in us congress please. That was pretty good
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Nikita Khrushchev posted:oops https://www.thedailybeast.com/claims-by-joy-reids-cybersecurity-expert-fall-apart/ This is a pretty drat thorough rebuttal, I wonder how much Russia paid The Daily Beast to publish it! E: also that Lee Carter floor speech owned, thanks for sharing
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