Bedlamdan posted:

Some people find humor with how dysfunctional the Imperium is. Some people find the individuals living within it to at least be more sympathetic than the faction that is basically four different kinds of Satan, one of whom will kill you quickly, one of whom will kill you slowly, one of whom screws with your head and one of whom simply screws you to death.

It’s less that people don’t understand the Imperium is a bad thing, and more that people can find it an interesting or funny thing despite also being a bad thing, is what you’re missing here. Like intellectually I understand Darth Vader is a self loathing quadriplegic who is his own worst enemy, but that doesn’t stop me from thinking the airlock scene in Rogue One was probably the best thing Star Wars ever did.

I’m sorry to say that sometimes bad people still make for good characters, and quite a few people find the Empire in Star Wars cool without also buying into National Socialism.

Bedlamdan posted:

Some people find humor with how dysfunctional the Imperium is. Some people find the individuals living within it to at least be more sympathetic than the faction that is basically four different kinds of Satan, one of whom will kill you quickly, one of whom will kill you slowly, one of whom screws with your head and one of whom simply screws you to death.

It’s less that people don’t understand the Imperium is a bad thing, and more that people can find it an interesting or funny thing despite also being a bad thing, is what you’re missing here. Like intellectually I understand Darth Vader is a self loathing quadriplegic who is his own worst enemy, but that doesn’t stop me from thinking the airlock scene in Rogue One was probably the best thing Star Wars ever did.

I’m sorry to say that sometimes bad people still make for good characters, and quite a few people find the Empire in Star Wars cool without also buying into National Socialism.

Covok posted:

That was the comment, yeah.

Bongo Bill posted:

You misunderstood a second time.

Edit: wait, no, a third time.

Bedlamdan posted:

I’m sorry

Bongo Bill posted:

It's fine. Never stop striving to do better. Patience and humility will serve you well. Go forth in good health.

Bedlamdan posted:

Some people find humor with how dysfunctional the Imperium is. Some people find the individuals living within it to at least be more sympathetic than the faction that is basically four different kinds of Satan, one of whom will kill you quickly, one of whom will kill you slowly, one of whom screws with your head and one of whom simply screws you to death.

It’s less that people don’t understand the Imperium is a bad thing, and more that people can find it an interesting or funny thing despite also being a bad thing, is what you’re missing here. Like intellectually I understand Darth Vader is a self loathing quadriplegic who is his own worst enemy, but that doesn’t stop me from thinking the airlock scene in Rogue One was probably the best thing Star Wars ever did.

I’m sorry to say that sometimes bad people still make for good characters, and quite a few people find the Empire in Star Wars cool without also buying into National Socialism.

gradenko_2000 posted:

sir if you're not going to order anything I'm going to have to ask you to move your car forward

Plutonis posted:

talk about this instead of hwatever stupid thing you imbeciles are talking about

https://www.thestar.com/edmonton/2018/04/24/edmonton-teacher-launches-afterschool-dungeons-and-dragons-program-for-inner-city-kids.html

Plutonis posted:

talk about this instead of hwatever stupid thing you imbeciles are talking about

https://www.thestar.com/edmonton/2018/04/24/edmonton-teacher-launches-afterschool-dungeons-and-dragons-program-for-inner-city-kids.html

alg posted:

this is cool but $1000 for kits for 3 kids

quote:

Schubert launched a GoFundMe to raise $1,000 to buy kits for at least three kids to take home. Each kit will include a handbook, guides, miniatures, markers, dice and a battle mat.

Schubert said many kids and their families at Delton don’t have disposable income, and while the game is relatively affordable to play, it can be pricey to get started.

Plutonis posted:

It's because the autism spectrum has systematization as one of the symptoms, not because of nerds being subhumans. (well it might be considering the goon consensus on people on the spectrum)

Nuns with Guns posted:

I guess it's grim in that it's a post-apocalypse and the game doesn't expect most player crews to care about fixing that, but there's nothing to stop you from playing vigilantes, bravos, or cultists that are hoping to improve everyone's lot.

Pollyanna posted:

If WotC isn’t offering them a discount on all their poo poo that just feels criminal. Maybe it pays for other poo poo like securing a location, application fees, food, etc? Kids need a lot of support and they can get expensive.

Ettin posted:

I'd like to think (/hope) that Trad Games is better about people on the spectrum, which is why I'd like to ask the folks here to leave the autism jokes/diagnoses behind

sexpig by night posted:

Yea I really hope that 'kit' is just them saying 'this is what it costs for everything, including stuff like food, location, assorted fees, etc' because boy would it be lovely if Wizards can't at least throw them a nice PR discount or something.

Covok posted:

Can I be unbanned from the discord server?

Ettin posted:

I'd like to think (/hope) that Trad Games is better about people on the spectrum, which is why I'd like to ask the folks here to leave the autism jokes/diagnoses behind

Covok posted:

Can I be unbanned from the discord server?

Jimbozig posted:

I may be misunderstanding Plutonis, but I think that he was put off by Cirno spouting a bunch of stereotypes and degrading stuff that would be awful to say about people with Autism, but saying that it's about "nerds". Except we're all gigantic loving nerds here and Cirno's not talking about us, so... ?

I could be way off base about the subtext here, but that's how it came across to me.

Pollyanna posted:

If WotC isn’t offering them a discount on all their poo poo that just feels criminal. Maybe it pays for other poo poo like securing a location, application fees, food, etc? Kids need a lot of support and they can get expensive.

Plutonis posted:

It's some of that and the whole self flagellating about "ugh drat nerds" stuff that annoys me. Also how the syndrome is treated on the site as a whole.

Red Metal posted:

im p sure plutonis is very sincere about his dislike of dungeon world

Jimbozig posted:

I may be misunderstanding Plutonis, but I think that he was put off by Cirno spouting a bunch of stereotypes and degrading stuff that would be awful to say about people with Autism, but saying that it's about "nerds". Except we're all gigantic loving nerds here and Cirno's not talking about us, so... ?

I could be way off base about the subtext here, but that's how it came across to me.

Covok posted:

Funny enough, I ran a one shot of that late yesterday for some people in a comic book Discord. They had a lot of fun even though I was just winging at the whole time and had no idea what I was doing it.

I'm surprised they weren't going mad that I greatly overestimated the ability of a thief and a bard to find a Hydra after they all rolled 6 or lower while going on a journey through a swamp.

Then again, the only experienced before was D&D 5e and they just really liked how freeform it was and how much they got to just define the story and have fun.

fool_of_sound posted:

“Freeform 5e” is basically the best possible praise for dungeon world

NachtSieger posted:

Yo Cirno do you have your giant caster supremacy essay saved?

Ghost Leviathan posted:

I like making big random charts to roll on, but actually doing the numbers is a pain, especially if you want to go back to add in new things or adjust the odds. Are there any tools or programs that can make this easier?

Splicer posted:

Excel/google sheets etc?

Give each entry a weighting, then set the percentages column to =([previous entry end percentage] + (100/total sum of weighting)*entry weighting)

ProfessorCirno posted:

Then I will go into detail!

I'm not talking about autism. Human beings are already kinda poo poo at critical thinking and real poo poo at examining their own bullshit. The thing about "nerds" as like, a vague culture, is that it's essentially built entirely around consumption of media. Like it's big question is "what intellectual property do YOU go absolutely apeshit over?" But the way that love is expressed is toxic, because it's based purely around not questioning that thing you go apeshit over - based purely around intentionally not critically examining your bullshit. That nerd culture was for so long made of increasingly gatekeeper-y white dudes on the wealthier side of things only makes it worse, because that gatekeeper attitude and that societal privilege (especially once bullying gets involved) feeds into the problem. And where's a lovely culture without a lovely attempt at making a hierarchy? Good lord the hierarchies.

There's a lot of other poo poo we can get into like the treatment of transformative fandom, but hopefully this'll do.

The problem isn't autism, it's that nerd culture was largely mained by kinda ignorant rich white boys and men who turned their refusal to critically examine the things they love into obsessions. Or, I guess, capitalism. :collbert:

Plutonis posted:

It's capitalism because honestly while it's good that the hobbies are opening up to more demographics that has been really successfully coopted by the corporations by cynically using diversity and inclusion to trick minorities into being product worshippers. It's not the expression that's toxic, is the fact that brands and products are usurping the void that family relationships and religion (or if you don't want to use that word, local customs and beliefs) left after the sheer devastation that globalization and worldwide capitalism have brought.

Basically what I'm saying is: Get rid of your comic books and videogames and go to your local state fair or something and ride the big wheel. Read some books!!! Start a theater group!!! Start learning how to cook good dishes!!! Go watch some birds and maybe sketch them!!!

Reene posted:

Bedlamdan posted:

The worst person I knew eventually went on to sexually assault my best friend's sister, so you're probably getting off really easy with just Plutonis.

Moriatti posted:

Lol at people who get unironically mad at Plutonis.

Mr. Maltose posted:

Caring about poo poo is stupid, yeah.

Plutonis posted:

It's capitalism because honestly while it's good that the hobbies are opening up to more demographics that has been really successfully coopted by the corporations by cynically using diversity and inclusion to trick minorities into being product worshippers. It's not the expression that's toxic, is the fact that brands and products are usurping the void that family relationships and religion (or if you don't want to use that word, local customs and beliefs) left after the sheer devastation that globalization and worldwide capitalism have brought.

Basically what I'm saying is: Get rid of your comic books and videogames and go to your local state fair or something and ride the big wheel. Read some books!!! Start a theater group!!! Start learning how to cook good dishes!!! Go watch some birds and maybe sketch them!!!