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MrSargent posted:That's a fair suggestion and I just got an email from Arturia about a discounted V Collection, which includes a Model D softsynth. That's a shame about the Model D, because it really looked exciting. I don't know much about tuning oscillators so maybe you can help me out. I have a Korg Minilogue and every time I start it up, it goes through a Tuning process. This is usually pretty quick and has never bothered me, but are you saying that its much worse on the Model D? I didn't realize that it came with no presets, which would kinda suck for my process. I tend to scroll through presets until I find something close, and then tweak it. I tried designing my sounds from scratch at one point, and while I am glad I learned a lot, for me sound design absolutely kills my creativity when trying to write something. The D is just a box with knobs that makes moog sounds. No patches, no VST connection, no nothing. Pure analog. And yeah, it takes half an hour to an hour to warm up (this is why it took so long to produce models, they all had to warm up in the factory before calibration). Then you have to tune it either to an external tuner - I run mine through the ableton tuner - or against the 440hz tone generator on the box. It is not a speedy process and I actively avoid using it now because it just cripples my inspiration. I have to turn it on most days on the offchance that I'll use it and then remember to tune it before doing anything. It's lovely to know I have pure Moog on tap, but it's really not conducive to instant gratification. I like patching it into my 0-coast and just noodling for a while, so treating it as a piece of modular gear is fine. It's hands on and practical, but, like the 0-coast its for sampling and making real stuff with later in the process. If I wanted to use a Moog as an instrument in a track, I'd open up Arturia's one and use that. Just my personal opinion of using the D for the past few months; your mileage may vary.
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MrSargent posted:Model D softsynth I don't know if you have any iOS devices, but if you do, the official Model D app is pretty great: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/minimoog-model-d/id1339418001?mt=8
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That makes a lot of sense and I feel like I would have similar issues using the Model D given the hassle of setting it up every time. Appreciate the feedback because this certainly makes the decision to go with the V Collection a lot easier.
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How on earth did musicians get anything done before software if using an actual hardware synth kills your inspiration
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Apr 30, 2018 22:06
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Dyna Soar posted:How on earth did musicians get anything done before software if using an actual hardware synth kills your inspiration before sequencers, you had to perform music
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Dyna Soar posted:How on earth did musicians get anything done before software if using an actual physical kills your inspiration because it needs to be tuned Transferring samples over MIDI from Recycle to my s1000 gave me just enough time to pack and smoke a bowl
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MrSargent posted:That's a fair suggestion and I just got an email from Arturia about a discounted V Collection, which includes a Model D softsynth. That's a shame about the Model D, because it really looked exciting. I don't know much about tuning oscillators so maybe you can help me out. I have a Korg Minilogue and every time I start it up, it goes through a Tuning process. This is usually pretty quick and has never bothered me, but are you saying that its much worse on the Model D? I didn't realize that it came with no presets, which would kinda suck for my process. I tend to scroll through presets until I find something close, and then tweak it. I tried designing my sounds from scratch at one point, and while I am glad I learned a lot, for me sound design absolutely kills my creativity when trying to write something. The Roland SE-02 might be more your thing. It does moog sounds, has presets, a good sequencer, a tuning routine and cross modulation. It's a good synth. If you can handle its tiny knobs.
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Dyna Soar posted:How on earth did musicians get anything done before software if using an actual hardware synth kills your inspiration You didn't read my post at all I guess. I have plenty of hardware synths that inspire me and I use all the time. I don't have to wait for an hour after turning them on to use them though. There's a reason Dave Smith doesn't like analogue oscillators either.
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Plavski posted:You didn't read my post at all I guess. I have plenty of hardware synths that inspire me and I use all the time. I don't have to wait for an hour after turning them on to use them though. I even mentioned that I have a minilogue that I like playing because it is low hassle and easy to fire up.
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MrSargent posted:That makes a lot of sense and I feel like I would have similar issues using the Model D given the hassle of setting it up every time. Appreciate the feedback because this certainly makes the decision to go with the V Collection a lot easier. fwiw I think the V Collection is amazing and my main complaint about it is that it's too much 
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Your Computer posted:fwiw I think the V Collection is amazing and my main complaint about it is that it's too much i have it too and each one is like a week's worth of learning to use. cmi is basically a daw in and of itself. a scary amount of sounds. that matrix tho. god what a lush pad machine it is. and the buchla is just a beautiful playground
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Plavski posted:i have it too and each one is like a week's worth of learning to use. cmi is basically a daw in and of itself. a scary amount of sounds. https://youtu.be/Jkhnr6H4QZg Or maybe this one is more apt idk- https://youtu.be/lr2acDdfbvY
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Plavski posted:the time it takes to warm up and the amount of drift and tuning i have to do have forever put me off analog oscillators. tuning oscillators is the death of inspiration imo. when i want a sound i don't want to have to tune my synth up every time i switch it on. i don't have to do that for my guitars and i don't want to do that for my synths. digital oscillators 4 lyfe sorry are you really saying here you don't have to tune your guitars?
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Oldstench posted:Transferring samples over MIDI from Recycle to my s1000 gave me just enough time to pack and smoke a bowl I had a SCSI interface and wrote custom software to load banks on my S2000, but 
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JamesKPolk posted:sorry are you really saying here you don't have to tune your guitars? Not every single time I pick them up, no. Do you? Might want to invest in better quality tuning keys if that's the case. My guitars can also be tuned in a minute, not an hour. I'm really confused as to why people are confused.
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Plavski posted:You didn't read my post at all I guess. I have plenty of hardware synths that inspire me and I use all the time. I don't have to wait for an hour after turning them on to use them though. The tune knob (and by extension, separate volume controls for headphones and main outs) are on the front panel for a reason; most other synths have their fine-tune hidden away. Just grab it and move it to the right spot for every take you want to do. Yes, it's something you have to live with if you want to stick close to the Mini, and it's totally valid to not like this, but in that case you might be happier with something else. quote:There's a reason Dave Smith doesn't like analogue oscillators either. Voltage-controlled ones that is, but with enough microprocessors, you can auto-tune them easily - to the point where they become a bit too clean.
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I haven't had much time to really play around with the Model D, and also bear in mind I'm much more of a person who twiddles knobs and does little jams than someone who needs a high degree of stability for serious recordings, but I can say that the sound of it is pretty phenomenal.
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It comes down to ease of use vs. character and hands-on experience. The complaint that an instrument kills off inspiration because it needs to be tuned is just baffling to me, but then again i am from a rock band backround. Like, that poo poo is nothing compared to if you actually want your drumkit tuned properly I also dont really mind of an instrument drifts a timy bit out of tune, since stringed instrument can never be tuned “perfectly”
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When I'm making music and go "a Moog sound would be great here" I don't want to have to wait to get that sound is all. If I have to turn on my Moog, wait for it to warm up, play with the tuning knob, make sure everything is fine, then dial in a patch sound I want, well so much for that pang of inspiration. It's gone from being a spontaneous fun experience to a chore. I'm way more of a seat of the pants style guy who likes to just call up the sounds I hear in my head as and when they appear. I also have a variety of instruments at hand - from synths to keyboards to pianos to guitars to basses, so the drum comparison doesn't quite work. It's not like I'd have a full drum set and be a drummer and say "this song needs some drums, let me tune up my kit". Playing with an analog warm up device that is not a core instrument is very different conceptually, at least to me. I can grab my bass from the stand and play and know that there is a very good chance it's in tune. If it's not, it takes a minute to tune it. For me, it's about being able to reach for a sound. For others, it might be more about the ritual of setting up an environment where everything is perfectly in tune and ordered before starting work. I'm not that guy. In regards to the original topic, this is just my experience with the Model D. Everyone else might vary, but I wanted to help MrSargent get an idea of some of the downsides of the instrument that might not be apparent. I still enjoy it as an experimental playground device. It's fun to wire it into my 0-Coast and sample it into my Digitakt, as I've said. But I still think it's a valid opinion to have and valid advice. Plavski fucked around with this message at 12:43 on May 1, 2018 |
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A whole new generation gets to experience first hand why the DX7 was such a smash hit
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There's a Korg R3 minus the microphone for $100 on Craigslist, should I go for it
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I'm trying to prune my synth collection and it's so hard. I know I have way more than I need, but I think I make the mistake of telling myself "I'm gonna sell this synth, so I should spend an evening sampling it/recording a few lines for posterity". Which is an obvious mistake, because then I start thinking that well maybe I really should keep that synth after all. How do people ever actually part with gear? I'm bad at this.
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Pablo Nergigante posted:There's a Korg R3 minus the microphone for $100 on Craigslist, should I go for it Uh yeah. Outside of the build feel, it’s one of the best VAs in forever imo. I beat on mine and it never gave me trouble but it sure is creaky. Radius•K has more everything but nobody bought them, so hey the R3. MockingQuantum posted:I'm trying to prune my synth collection and it's so hard. I know I have way more than I need, but I think I make the mistake of telling myself "I'm gonna sell this synth, so I should spend an evening sampling it/recording a few lines for posterity". Which is an obvious mistake, because then I start thinking that well maybe I really should keep that synth after all. It’s real tough especially if you’ve sold something that’s become very expensive. It’ll distort your perception. Save for some fetishes, I suggest the old time method. If I haven’t touched it in foo months etc. They’ll pry my ESQ from my cold, dead hands though
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Startyde posted:It’s real tough especially if you’ve sold something that’s become very expensive. It’ll distort your perception. Save for some fetishes, I suggest the old time method. If I haven’t touched it in foo months etc. I at least haven't had the issue of selling something that would have actually increased in value (yet). My problem is I'm horribly disorganized when it comes to making music, but I think I have it in my head that I should pare down to one synth for each "niche". Issue being, I use synths in weird ways that aren't really what they're best at, because I tend to get used to one synth's workflow over another. So I'll look at, say, my Mopho Keys and consider that I've got at least a couple other synths that cover the same or similar territory and I should get rid of it, but I have some weird attachment to it because I've had it quite a bit longer than the rest of my synths. Then I have one-trick ponies like the Erebus which sounds lush and fantastic, but I barely ever use it in part because it's a one trick pony, and end up just using something like the Peak or Minilogue through effects to achieve the same end since I use them both on a near-daily basis and can get what I want faster, in some ways. Also, I honestly suspect none of the synths I own will become hard-to-find collector's items, at least not on any kind of brief timeline. The "oldest" synth I own in terms of original release date is probably that Mopho Keys.
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Startyde posted:Uh yeah. Outside of the build feel, it’s one of the best VAs in forever imo. I beat on mine and it never gave me trouble but it sure is creaky. Radius•K has more everything but nobody bought them, so hey the R3. Cool thanks. I don’t have a lot of synth experience besides playing around with VSTs so I’m excited for it (if the guy responds that is)
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MockingQuantum posted:Also, I honestly suspect none of the synths I own will become hard-to-find collector's items, at least not on any kind of brief timeline. The "oldest" synth I own in terms of original release date is probably that Mopho Keys. Box it up and stick it in your closest. Pull it out again if you really want to play with it again -- keep it! If it's still in there a month or two later, it's all boxed up for when you sell it this time.
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Pablo Nergigante posted:There's a Korg R3 minus the microphone for $100 on Craigslist, should I go for it Yes, full stop.
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Startyde posted:
https://valhalladsp.com/shop/delay/valhalla-freq-echo/ Same thing for free.
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it’s a stripped down echobode from sonic charge. Same dev and everything.
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I believe the KARP Odyssey has a global pitch CV and a OSC 2 offset CV hidden on a TRS cable. What hardware do you have in mind? Something you could do with n signals and little effort might look like having a vector v = (n1, n2, ..., nk) represent a tonic note and some scale degrees, and hit it with an (n + o) x n matrix Mt. Then you could change Mt every sixteenth note or whatever for harmony and transpose by swapping out v. So Math fucked around with this message at 05:41 on May 3, 2018 |
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https://cycling74.com/products/m Good for generative composition on a theme. There’s probably something more modern but dunno. The CV->MIDI boxes I know are just for CCs.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoFqUcHJgOA yeesh that thing's gonna be expensive also, behringer 808, likely to be not very expensive at all https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQPsln1d-Ek Plavski fucked around with this message at 14:52 on May 3, 2018 |
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Plavski posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoFqUcHJgOA That sexual healing drum line though 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLa3QLEAq08 this looks like a ton of fun. a real Fisher Price activity center of music. gonna be expensive no doubt, but it could be worth some trades if the pad ui is as fun in reality as it was demonstrated there. with the pads having that mpe style action, you're gonna be able to do some really expressive stuff
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Behringer really stepping up their game with synths. I'm actually thinking of going for one of these over Roland's TR.
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What's the good site for OP1 patches? There's like three that I can tell. I just want to pull some more varied drums and some spacey presets.
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Lame the P-X can’t sample. That probably means it can’t resample either which is silly. I don’t get this trend. Also no user samples until winter ‘18  Tempest 2.0? Does it accept ext midi clock?
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Startyde posted:Lame the P-X can’t sample. That probably means it can’t resample either which is silly. I don’t get this trend. Also no user samples until winter ‘18 Im curious, since I don't really have any synths that can do it, what's the advantage of being able to resample internally on a synth? I've sampled synth lines in a DAW every once in a while because I like the effect I get when playing it in a different range on a software sampler or to do heavy processing on it or whatever, but I don't really know what resampling straight from the synth, back into the synth would get you.
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MockingQuantum posted:Im curious, since I don't really have any synths that can do it, what's the advantage of being able to resample internally on a synth? I've sampled synth lines in a DAW every once in a while because I like the effect I get when playing it in a different range on a software sampler or to do heavy processing on it or whatever, but I don't really know what resampling straight from the synth, back into the synth would get you. you can stack effects, filtering, &c, and sometimes pitchshift things further than you could w/o resampling
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mrbradlymrmartin posted:you can stack effects, filtering, &c, and sometimes pitchshift things further than you could w/o resampling Oh I didn't think about stacking filters or effects, that makes sense. I suppose you could stack all varieties of modulation, too, which makes me feel funny things just thinking about it.
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