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Toshimo posted:
80s James Hetfield does it a lot
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May 1, 2018 03:05
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Who unironically complains about "netdecking" in TYOOL 2018?
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Toshimo posted:
I saw it a bit on the MTG Arena forums too. I felt like I was back in 2001. You don't even have to look up decklists! Theres a billion threads going "WOAH I won a lot of games with [deck]! [card] is super powerful!" hell you don't even have to read the threads, just look at the titles and you have half a working deck lmao
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May 1, 2018 03:10
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TheKingofSprings posted:80s James Hetfield does it a lot Hardly, since I play a deck (that's bad) that Jim Davis came up with. I only pointed out that not even a full day after the open it's been easily 90% of what I've been playing against online. Some of ya'll really reach when discussing certain topics, drat
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May 1, 2018 03:16
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I netdeck a ton but right now I have this vision of lich's mastery gideon esper abortion. I will not rest until I lose the game but have a gideon emblem out that says I can't lose the game. Or I might go mardu and do glorious end to end their turn and not lose. I'm sure I want black white but I'm not sure if I can support a 3rd color or if I should. Green could get me ramp and lots of saprolings plus shalai counters and the kamahl legendary sorcery. Red gets burn and glorious end. Blue gets gearhulks and counterspells. Hmm.
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May 1, 2018 04:07
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"Netdecking" or whatever is totally cool and good and people should do it but I do share the frustration of trying to test a new brew and hitting 75-card-identical matchups seven times in a row
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May 1, 2018 04:46
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net decking can be good. i was trying to do a u/w aura build during ixalan, before rivals, but felt like it wasn't getting what it needed to get to where i can start closing out games. it was after seeing (i think it was) ben stark's list that i realized that i should be putting in sram for card draw.
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May 1, 2018 05:09
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net decking is also cool because sometimes it feels good to beat someone with a deck you threw together yourself when all they did was throw money at a list and didn't bother learning how to pilot it. this also i think helps dispel the Money Beats Strategy aspect of magic a lot of the people who hate net decking seem to scrubscribe to
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May 1, 2018 05:11
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STONE COLD 64 posted:net decking is also cool because sometimes it feels good to beat someone with a deck you threw together yourself when all they did was throw money at a list and didn't bother learning how to pilot it. this also i think helps dispel the Money Beats Strategy aspect of magic a lot of the people who hate net decking seem to scrubscribe to Magic has a lot of ego-protection systems in it - stuff that people can point at other than themselves to explain away losing. For some people, "at least I didn't netdeck" is one of those things.
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May 1, 2018 05:28
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those who excel at brewing, can. those who cannot, netdeck. that doesn't imply a positive or negative character trait for the player though-- you can be an excellent deckbuilder but suck at playing, or you can lean on crowd-made concepts that are tried and true and be good at playing it. How often do you see rogue decks taking high marks at GPs or PTs? Meanwhile. A deck of mushroom bois for fun guys who want to break the mold and play a deck that isn't spore-ing. I think I found my "budget" deck until I build something more reliable. All I really need that costs anything are Tendershoot Dryads, Metallic Mimics, and Blooming Marshes because lol Foul Orchard. Framboise fucked around with this message at 05:54 on May 1, 2018 |
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May 1, 2018 05:41
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AnEdgelord posted:Honestly I wouldn't mind Wastes just being a non rotating card like the other basic lands. Basic lands rotate. They just keep printing them.
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May 1, 2018 06:02
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I never understood the need to be a special snowflake in regard to deckbuilding. The place to get creative is your sideboard or small tweaks against the meta you expect at a given tournament. Trying to reinvent the wheel all the time usually just leads to playing a lot of terrible decks.
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May 1, 2018 06:03
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I have never felt such an intense desire for something more material involving cardboard in my entire life.
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May 1, 2018 06:06
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Buffis posted:I mean, you could just do Angry Grimace posted:You can technically have a hand with Oviya, Forest, Mox Amber, Mox Amber, Mox Amber, Mox Amber, Karn and play him on Turn 1. Just float all of the mana from the Moxes. cheetah7071 posted:There isn't actually any special rule making basic lands always legal. They're constantly legal because they get reprinted every set. Angry Grimace posted:Basic lands rotate. They just keep printing them. You do understand that people wouldn't constantly be calling you out as the worst poster in the thread if you weren't constantly treating it like a write-only medium, right?
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May 1, 2018 06:10
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netdecking isn't bad, sane people only talk about it when a very small number of decks become all anyone ever plays, so they're not really complaining that someone copied a decklist, they're complaining that everyone is copying the same lists and the meta has become bad this is a valid complaint because a stale meta is not usually fun, i think 
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May 1, 2018 06:33
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Matsuri posted:those who excel at brewing, can. those who cannot, netdeck. This list not including 1) Fungal Infection and 2) Torgaar is full crazy pants I'm less sure about Torgaar, but Fungal Infection is full gas. That card's gonna be a top-shelf removal spell even for decks with no saproling synergy
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May 1, 2018 06:49
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sit on my Facebook posted:This list not including 1) Fungal Infection and 2) Torgaar is full crazy pants The only B -1/-1 spells I can think of getting played in Standard in the past deckade were Peppersmoke, Darkblast, and Tragic Slip. Don't think Fungal Infection even comes close to any of those.
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May 1, 2018 07:00
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Lone Goat posted:The only B -1/-1 spells I can think of getting played in Standard in the past deckade were Peppersmoke, Darkblast, and Tragic Slip. Don't think Fungal Infection even comes close to any of those. Being (well, producing) a full blocker is very relevant, even without synergies on board. It can block an x/2 or kill a pair of x/1s when attacking. I think it's extremely powerful, but the ceiling depends on how good X/1s and X/2s are in the format. Off the top of my head, though, it gets: - nu-Knights - Llanowar Elves - Bomat Courier - Earthshaker Khenra when played turn 1 on the draw, while leaving behind a saproling (or chumping something else) in the process.
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May 1, 2018 07:31
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On the other hand it does gently caress-all against a ton of other decks, and if you're looking for a sideboard card against low-to-the-ground aggro decks you'd likely go for cheap sweepers instead.
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May 1, 2018 07:38
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precision posted:netdecking isn't bad, sane people only talk about it when a very small number of decks become all anyone ever plays, so they're not really complaining that someone copied a decklist, they're complaining that everyone is copying the same lists and the meta has become bad It's basically this. Netdecking as a general proposition is fine because 1) playing against worse decks isn't necessarily all that fun anways and 2) even if less people did it, you'd still see the same cards at leats in Standard because some cards are just clearly more powerful than other cards. sit on my Facebook posted:This list not including 1) Fungal Infection and 2) Torgaar is full crazy pants The part I don't get is not having Song of Freyalise and Llanowar Elves, actually. You can just blow people up with Tendershoot Dryad and Vigilant/Trample 4/4 Saprolings on Turn 4 or 5 if you get a great draw with that. Slimefoot is cute, but I don't think it's Constructed good. It's really slow, and the body is kind weak, and the dead saproling ability feels a lot less good given that the most common thing that will kill all your saprolings makes your opponent gain life. It's weird SO is questioning whether Llanowar Elves would make his green deck better. It's one of the most insane turn 1 plays in the format. Toshimo posted:You do understand that people wouldn't constantly be calling you out as the worst poster in the thread if you weren't constantly treating it like a write-only medium, right? Uh, nobody calls other people out at all other than you because you're the only person who gets mad all the time about Magic: the Gathering. I don't care if something makes you mad because everything related to Magic makes you mad. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 08:21 on May 1, 2018 |
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May 1, 2018 07:49
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Angry Grimace posted:The part I don't get is not having Song of Freyalise and Llanowar Elves, actually. You can just blow people up with Tendershoot Dryad and Vigilant/Trample 4/4 Saprolings on Turn 4 or 5 if you get a great draw with that. Slimefoot is cute, but I don't think it's Constructed good. It's really slow, and the body is kind weak, and the dead saproling ability feels a lot less good given that the most common thing that will kill all your saprolings makes your opponent gain life. Slimefoot IS cute, that's part of the reason why I like it. But I also agree, Llanowar Elves and Song of Freyalise would be an excellent accelerating factor in ways that Slimefoot can't be of benefit in. I actually don't disagree with the Fungal Infection bit either because it can also be a combat trick too if an attacking or blocking creature has more than 1 toughness, so you get removal and a saproling replacement if you don't have Freyalise buffs or Sporecrown or Tendershoot anthems going yet. That said, Slimefoot + Torgaar could be a fun combo too. Get a fatty on the board, halve the opponent's life, and if you have Fungal Plots out, you can probably wipe out what's left of your opponent's life by Slimefoot pings via saproling sacrifice. Janky and probably awful, but fun. Framboise fucked around with this message at 08:33 on May 1, 2018 |
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May 1, 2018 08:30
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Matsuri posted:Slimefoot IS cute, that's part of the reason why I like it. But I also agree, Llanowar Elves and Song of Freyalise would be an excellent accelerating factor in ways that Slimefoot can't be of benefit in. I actually don't disagree with the Fungal Infection bit either because it can also be a combat trick too if an attacking or blocking creature has more than 1 toughness, so you get removal and a saproling replacement if you don't have Freyalise buffs or Sporecrown or Tendershoot anthems going yet. The biggest problem though is how much play Steel Leaf and Chainwhirler see. Decks full of 1/1s are soft as hell to those cards. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 08:50 on May 1, 2018 |
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May 1, 2018 08:45
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True, but perhaps you could hold back on dropping a bunch of saprolings until you get Metallic Mimic or Sporecrown out for those matchups? That way they are at least 2/2s so Chainwhirler can't kill them via ETB, and you probably just want a kill spell for SLC. Vicious Offering could actually be pretty good for that purpose. -5/-5 for 1B and a dead token doesn't sound like that awful of a deal.
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May 1, 2018 08:55
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Song Of Freyalise, or "wait, what do you mean indestructible? ... God damnit"
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May 1, 2018 09:05
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Angry Grimace posted:Uh, nobody calls other people out at all other than you because you're the only person who gets mad all the time about Magic: the Gathering. I don't care if something makes you mad because everything related to Magic makes you mad. I’ve been called out many times, and never by Toshimo, so ymmv I guess.
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May 1, 2018 12:00
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Angry Grimace posted:
Thank you for proving his point that you never loving read the thread.
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May 1, 2018 12:02
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all posters are bad except catdad and mcmagic hth
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May 1, 2018 12:14
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mossyfisk posted:all posters are bad
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May 1, 2018 14:12
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mossyfisk posted:all posters are bad except catdad and mcmagic hth im a good poster as well
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May 1, 2018 14:15
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History of Benalia is now an $18 dollar card. Good lord
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May 1, 2018 14:21
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That’s what I call... *puts on sunglasses* ...some dark knight rising. https://youtu.be/6YMPAH67f4o
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May 1, 2018 14:26
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Angry Grimace posted:Uh, nobody calls other people out at all other than you because you're the only person who gets mad all the time about Magic: the Gathering. I don't care if something makes you mad because everything related to Magic makes you mad.
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May 1, 2018 14:30
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80s James Hetfield posted:History of Benalia is now an $18 dollar card. Good lord The number of opponents who spent two+ mythic rare wildcards on History of Benalia only to get swarmed with vampires before they hit phase 3 is 
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May 1, 2018 14:40
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i'm a tiny bit disappointed that there's no callbacks or visual references to the metathran, Urza's blue-aligned engineered soldier race. i guess they died out after the Invasion old Tolaria exploded and no one left to make them
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May 1, 2018 15:04
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Lone Goat posted:The only B -1/-1 spells I can think of getting played in Standard in the past deckade were Peppersmoke, Darkblast, and Tragic Slip. Don't think Fungal Infection even comes close to any of those. It's much more flexible than a -1/-1. You get the -1/-1 which kills a surprising amount of stuff, and you also get a saproling at instant speed. That means that you can (a) chump block the same thing you gave -1/-1 to if it's attacking and kill it if it had two toughness (or more, if you had a lord); (b) chump block something else while killing a one toughness creature; or just (c) getting a new saproling at instant speed for one mana with the potential upside of killing one of your opponents' creatures. You've gotta try playing with it, it's surprisingly flexible and useful in more situations than you'd expect. evilweasel fucked around with this message at 15:35 on May 1, 2018 |
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May 1, 2018 15:14
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I got got by my opponent at a PPTQ this weekend when I attacked with an Earthshaker Khenra and a Bomat Courier into his Fungal Infection; 2 for 1 for B was a pretty good deal for him. I still ended up winning though and I don't think the card does a lot of work outside of countering Monored's early game. Granted, it does a good job at that, but so does Fatal Push, which has the upside of being able to kill Kari Zev and Soul-Scar Mage, too.
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May 1, 2018 15:18
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evilweasel posted:It's much more flexible than a -1/-1. You get the -1/-1 which kills a surprising amount of stuff, and you also get a saproling at instant speed. That means that you can (a) chump block the same thing you gave -1/-1 to if it's attacking and kill it if it had two toughness (or more, if you had a lord); (b) chump block something else while killing a one toughness creature; or just (c) getting a new saproling at instant speed for one mana with the potential upside of killing one of your opponents' creatures. Yes thank you for reading the card to me but I was fully capable of doing that. I'm saying that I feel like all those things are low impact and it's maybe a sideboard card at best, not quote:a top-shelf removal spell even for decks with no saproling synergy
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May 1, 2018 15:38
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People in my LGS complain about netdecking all the time. I don't get it.
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May 1, 2018 15:40
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80s James Hetfield posted:History of Benalia is now an $18 dollar card. Good lord What a silly card to print at mythic rarity.
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May 1, 2018 15:40
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Aranan posted:People in my LGS complain about netdecking all the time. I don't get it. I never want these people to cook for me. *as I lay retching on the floor and gasping out a choked "why?!"* "Well yes, my quiche includes marshmallows, fiberglass insulation, and I eschewed eggs. I'm not going to be a filthy netdecker and follow a recipe. That's basically cheating."
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Aranan posted:People in my LGS complain about netdecking all the time. I don't get it. Just be glad it's not full meta and have people complaining about playing off-tier decks that their tier decks cant handle. The salt is so good though. I generally bring a top 2-3 meta deck to bigger events; but FNM? that's fun time where i'm brining whatever strikes my fancy and that's probably some sort of offbeat deck
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