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Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
:unsmith: i like nice words

Shooting Blanks posted:

If management treats them with respect, and is willing to bounce patrons that cross the line, then what's the problem?

Shooting Blanks posted:

The management at those particular establishments are absolute scum
That's it. In a utopian society, sure whatever. In this society, it's pretty bad.

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Field Mousepad
Mar 21, 2010
BAE

JawKnee posted:

sure

hooters clientele are still trash

Keep fighting the good fight.

JawKnee
Mar 24, 2007





You'll take the ride to leave this town along that yellow line

Shooting Blanks posted:

May you be ever so virtuous in your words, thoughts, and actions.

Somehow I find it easy not to go there, friend. I think it's because I don't want to support an organization that has exploitation of women baked into their business model.

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


image text goes here
Idgaf about the titties, but the food is dog poo poo.

Shooting Blanks
Jun 6, 2007

Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade



JawKnee posted:

Somehow I find it easy not to go there, friend. I think it's because I don't want to support an organization that has exploitation of women baked into their business model.

Spend your money where you want. But until someone can tell me that these places are forcing women to work there, I find it hard to see it as exploitation. Barring the shitheads we're talking about on the management side.

TheSnowySoviet
May 12, 2004

It never got weird enough for me.

Shooting Blanks posted:

Spend your money where you want. But until someone can tell me that these places are forcing women to work there, I find it hard to see it as exploitation. Barring the shitheads we're talking about on the management side.

All labor is exploitation; this labor especially so. The idea that workers are compelled by society to work is over a century old. C'mon.

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


image text goes here
it's still true tho

Shooting Blanks
Jun 6, 2007

Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade



TheSnowySoviet posted:

All labor is exploitation; this labor especially so. The idea that workers are compelled by society to work is over a century old. C'mon.

Then opt out, stop working, and stop having money to pay your bills. Let me know how that works out for you.

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

коммунизм хранится в яичках

Shooting Blanks posted:

Then opt out, stop working, and stop having money to pay your bills. Let me know how that works out for you.

I think you got the point backwards. The point is that in a society where nearly everything one needs to live is tied to employment, the employer has a distinct and powerful advantage when it comes to getting the employee to compromise their principals.

Phil Moscowitz
Feb 19, 2007

If blood be the price of admiralty,
Lord God, we ha' paid in full!
Whatever your opinion of those restaurants I think it's funny that the lawyer says how Twin Peaks employees "signed up to work at a family restaurant" when its name and logo are an extremely unsubtle reference to boobs

Phil Moscowitz
Feb 19, 2007

If blood be the price of admiralty,
Lord God, we ha' paid in full!
"Hmm this restaurant is in a suburban strip mall between the payday loan place and a Texaco, what 'scenic views' could they possibly be talking about?"

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:
Nother day, nother resto makes headlines for lovely wage theft

Shooting Blanks
Jun 6, 2007

Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade



Shooting Blanks posted:

Why are we judging the clientele of those places rather than focusing on the real issue: management at those particular locations are absolute trash. The establishment-client dynamic is a lot more equitable than the employer-employee dynamic. Both can be abused, however one is far, far easier to abuse at a much higher level.

Liquid Communism posted:

I think you got the point backwards. The point is that in a society where nearly everything one needs to live is tied to employment, the employer has a distinct and powerful advantage when it comes to getting the employee to compromise their principals.

That's....exactly what I said already. Or is there something else I'm missing?

The General
Mar 4, 2007



What the hell are "alternatives to be paid"?

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:

The General posted:

What the hell are "alternatives to be paid"?

Right? All the lovely Montreal Smoked meat you can eat?

TheSnowySoviet
May 12, 2004

It never got weird enough for me.

Shooting Blanks posted:

Then opt out, stop working, and stop having money to pay your bills. Let me know how that works out for you.

What point are you trying to make here? That you're doing the women who work at some dumpy not-quite-a-titty-bar an indirect favor by paying their bills (and giving substantially more to the managers and owners)? Just because you don't want labor to be exploitative doesn't mean that it isn't, especially if it's creeping toward sex work under the extremely thinly veiled guise of food service.

But I guess if you can make baseless assumptions counter to the only available facts, like:

Shooting Blanks posted:

...my guess is that the article is slightly misleading - the company probably offered to pay for representation, had the employees sign off it, and then he plead guilty on their behalf as their representation. That's scummy as poo poo but perfectly legal.

... then you can probably wash your hands of anything. Surely the "scummy" managers must've offered to pay hundreds of dollars an hour to an attorney to represent their entry-level hourly-wage employees, individually, who are paid out of the goodness of their hearts. That's what scummy managers are best know for!

A Man and his dog
Oct 24, 2013

by R. Guyovich
The funniest poo poo of Hooters is the rule book they give new hires.

It's straight up like a bible...

Knockknees
Dec 21, 2004

sprung out fully formed
My favorite part of the article was the weekly postings of managements ratings of each servers body parts!

Shooting Blanks
Jun 6, 2007

Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade



TheSnowySoviet posted:

What point are you trying to make here? That you're doing the women who work at some dumpy not-quite-a-titty-bar an indirect favor by paying their bills (and giving substantially more to the managers and owners)? Just because you don't want labor to be exploitative doesn't mean that it isn't, especially if it's creeping toward sex work under the extremely thinly veiled guise of food service.

But I guess if you can make baseless assumptions counter to the only available facts, like:


... then you can probably wash your hands of anything. Surely the "scummy" managers must've offered to pay hundreds of dollars an hour to an attorney to represent their entry-level hourly-wage employees, individually, who are paid out of the goodness of their hearts. That's what scummy managers are best know for!

My point was that yes, all labor is exploitation, but that's the world we live in. I don't go to these places, but they clearly have a market. And that's not really a baseless assumption - it says quite clearly that the company paid for a lawyer to represent them, and that he plead guilty on their behalf and stuck them with a criminal record. Unless you're saying something else that statement is an assumption, in which case I'd love to hear which part.

Field Mousepad
Mar 21, 2010
BAE

bunnyofdoom posted:

Right? All the lovely Montreal Smoked meat you can eat?

Wait are we talking salami? Prosciutto? This is important.

Elephanthead
Sep 11, 2008


Toilet Rascal

Knockknees posted:

My favorite part of the article was the weekly postings of managements ratings of each servers body parts!

Server 4s vertebrae 1 through 6 were superb, 7 and 8 seemed slightly skewed, work on that for next month.

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:

Field Mousepad posted:

Wait are we talking salami? Prosciutto? This is important.

Neither More of a Canadian superior version of Pastrami

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

bunnyofdoom posted:

Neither More of a Canadian superior version of Pastrami

The most sensual of the salted, cured meats. George was wrong!

Field Mousepad
Mar 21, 2010
BAE
Oh it's brisket. Yeah we have brisket here too.

Naelyan
Jul 21, 2007

Fun Shoe

Field Mousepad posted:

Oh it's brisket. Yeah we have brisket here too.

no you're wrong and bad and wrong

A Man and his dog
Oct 24, 2013

by R. Guyovich
All customer complaints in this industry is bullshit and any manager who takes them seriously is a complete dumbass....


I got a complaint last night cause I switched up two teenage girls drinks.... One had a Diet Coke the other regular Coke...

There loving MOM called the restaurant to make a complaint about it.

Jesus Christ people.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


My manager would roll her eyes at that complaint and throw it out, as would our corporate office. That being said I'm usually extra careful with diet soda because you don't know who's diabetic and who's not.

On that note, we had an SEO place call on a SUNDAY. I told them to call the corporate office and hung up and continued working.

The Midniter
Jul 9, 2001

A Man and his dog posted:

All customer complaints in this industry is bullshit and any manager who takes them seriously is a complete dumbass....


I got a complaint last night cause I switched up two teenage girls drinks.... One had a Diet Coke the other regular Coke...

There loving MOM called the restaurant to make a complaint about it.

Jesus Christ people.

Maybe pay closer attention and do your job correctly? Based on your history in this thread, you haven't really done anything to give you the benefit of the doubt...quite the opposite, in fact. Were you distracted by your attempts to "get down" with them?

A Man and his dog
Oct 24, 2013

by R. Guyovich
Bro... I give everyone the Benefit of a doubt.

I was slammed. I mixed there drinks up. MY BAD.

I don't really think it requires your loving mom to call up and complain.

I shouldn't have to be even saying this.

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


if it was a white woman she expected free poo poo for such a transgression

Thumposaurus
Jul 24, 2007

A Man and his dog posted:

All customer complaints in this industry is bullshit and any manager who takes them seriously is a complete dumbass....


I got a complaint last night cause I switched up two teenage girls drinks.... One had a Diet Coke the other regular Coke...

There loving MOM called the restaurant to make a complaint about it.

Jesus Christ people.

Any diet sodas make me physically ill. I've found this out the hard way.
I'll get a massive headache and vomit a few hours later.
If I accidentally get served a diet soda Ib politely ask the server to fix their mistake rather than wait and complain later.

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

Thumposaurus posted:

Any diet sodas make me physically ill. I've found this out the hard way.
I'll get a massive headache and vomit a few hours later.
If I accidentally get served a diet soda Ib politely ask the server to fix their mistake rather than wait and complain later.

Yeah, despite what the ads pretend anyone who exclusively drinks either a regular soda or the diet version should be able to instantly tell if they've been given the other.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.

Thumposaurus posted:

Any diet sodas make me physically ill. I've found this out the hard way.
I'll get a massive headache and vomit a few hours later.
If I accidentally get served a diet soda Ib politely ask the server to fix their mistake rather than wait and complain later.

I'm not aware of any generic, or specific, non-caloric sweetener allergies. Is there a particular non-caloric sweetener that causes this response? It's...extraordinarily unlikely, but have you ever been tested for phenylketonuria?

Skwirl posted:

Yeah, despite what the ads pretend anyone who exclusively drinks either a regular soda or the diet version should be able to instantly tell if they've been given the other.

It varies by sweetener and bottling plant.

Shooting Blanks
Jun 6, 2007

Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade



Skwirl posted:

Yeah, despite what the ads pretend anyone who exclusively drinks either a regular soda or the diet version should be able to instantly tell if they've been given the other.

Actually, diet Coke is specifically formulated to taste different from regular Coke. I can't find the article but my recollection is that it was designed to compete with Diet Pepsi after Diet Pepsi effectively won the diet soda war when Tab dropped off and Diet Pepsi came to dominate that market segment.

Hauki
May 11, 2010


Discendo Vox posted:

I'm not aware of any generic, or specific, non-caloric sweetener allergies. Is there a particular non-caloric sweetener that causes this response? It's...extraordinarily unlikely, but have you ever been tested for phenylketonuria?


It varies by sweetener and bottling plant.

I’ve gotten nauseous as gently caress from a gum with artificial sweeteners before but I don’t recall what it was. I just avoid them generally now.

The Maestro
Feb 21, 2006
That’s why diet sodas get a lime wedge bro

Suspect Bucket
Jan 15, 2012

SHRIMPDOR WAS A MAN
I mean, HE WAS A SHRIMP MAN
er, maybe also A DRAGON
or possibly
A MINOR LEAGUE BASEBALL TEAM
BUT HE WAS STILL
SHRIMPDOR

The Maestro posted:

That’s why diet sodas get a lime wedge bro

I just thought it was because lime tastes hella good

btw addicted to limes now, will just straight up lick them for that good good lime sauce

Naelyan
Jul 21, 2007

Fun Shoe

Suspect Bucket posted:

btw addicted to limes now, will just straight up lick them for that good good lime sauce

Need to try that poo poo while you're high on miracle berries (not actually a drug). poo poo will change your life.

Suspect Bucket
Jan 15, 2012

SHRIMPDOR WAS A MAN
I mean, HE WAS A SHRIMP MAN
er, maybe also A DRAGON
or possibly
A MINOR LEAGUE BASEBALL TEAM
BUT HE WAS STILL
SHRIMPDOR

Naelyan posted:

Need to try that poo poo while you're high on miracle berries (not actually a drug). poo poo will change your life.

Hellllllll yeah

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pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004

The Maestro posted:

That’s why diet sodas get a lime wedge bro

He was slammed and he forgot to put it on their

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