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Onmi posted:
THE SECRET PLAN!
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May 1, 2018 16:29
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Onmi posted:Bryan is kinda loving dumb
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May 1, 2018 17:16
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I took Bryan's point as that turning him face or heel didn't matter because he'd still be hanging around the main event just beating everybody that people actually like. He wants him to go away from the main event for a while because he's completely dead there. A heel turn wouldn't fix that, it'd just mean he'd spend more time beating babyfaces people like.
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May 1, 2018 17:32
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VJeff posted:I took Bryan's point as that turning him face or heel didn't matter because he'd still be hanging around the main event just beating everybody that people actually like. He wants him to go away from the main event for a while because he's completely dead there. A heel turn wouldn't fix that, it'd just mean he'd spend more time beating babyfaces people like. But that could still be a dynamic that people get behind. In fact, it's technically the one that they're doing with Brock Lesner right now.
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May 1, 2018 17:50
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Roman turning heel would be great. At the minute, everything about his presentation - the way the announcers talk about him, the way his angles are written, the way his matches are booked - is completely at odds with how most of the fans want to treat him. He can still beat all the fans favourites and get heat, as long as he wrestles like a heel and Michael Cole is calling him a bastard
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May 1, 2018 17:56
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A heel booed main eventer should not need to be saved from beatdowns by other heels by monster faces unless its leading to a face turn. Face turn Roman imminent
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May 1, 2018 18:24
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Roman sucks, WWE sucks, don't care about either.
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May 1, 2018 18:32
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roman bring a heel isnt suddenly going to give the boos a different meaning they'll still be "please leave" boos which still wont help him
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May 1, 2018 18:35
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it'll help everyone around him because currently his booking actively harms people put into his radius by acting in ways that make no sense to us, as viewers take wrestling as a soap opera and we have a character that is actively hated by watchers, is hated by the bad characters in universe, and is loved by the good characters in universe, and the effect is the good characters are less likable because they keep talking up this failure whose every plan fails the solution is to make him into a bad guy so things start to make sense and stop actively making viewers annoyed at the good characters acting like moron cheerleaders, amnesia, or a bomb on a plane
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May 1, 2018 18:57
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im far past caring if hes a good heel and the smarks will cheer him, or he will be booed just as hard as a heel even as go away heat hes a constant reminder of a failed experiment to be the looks of the rock with the personality of cena, when instead they just made a dead end like ultimate warrior or lex luger and are so stuck on pride and lack of direct competition they dont want to admit they managed to gently caress up a gorgeous, athletic, handsome, photogenic champion by making him the most unpopular person on the roster behind an irish dwarf, a pasty skinned vegan, a 40 year old debuter, a japanese drunk, a strongman, a hipster, a fat neckbeard, a fat samoan, a 60 year old with no knees, a satanist, and a man who cant play guitar
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May 1, 2018 19:03
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Roman Reigns is Missile Assault Ant, got it.
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sportsgenius86 posted:This is good because I think it’s the easiest way to get rid of her since she’ll say something dumb as gently caress "As my husband used to say....."
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May 1, 2018 19:55
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Roman needs to both turn heel and drop down the card at the same time. Have him become a spiteful bully who just beats the poo poo out of the lower card faces. Let him just take out his frustrations and murder Heath Slater and whoever else the crowd likes cheering down there, Tye Dillinger, No Way Jose, people like that. Get actual heel heat on him for being a nasty fucker. Then have more upper midcard faces that can afford the losses challenge him and lose too. Culminate in him taking the title off a beloved baby face champ, then figure out how you get to a big double turn match for him and someone like Dean
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May 1, 2018 20:03
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Roman should beat up midcard geeks, just like Missile Assault Ant, got it.
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May 1, 2018 20:36
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Roman is a magnified Sheamus from a couple of years ago. He will find his place in a tag team or in the mid card sometime down the road. People will never forget though, and any attempt to move him back up the card will see whatever reactions he is getting by that point turned to boo’s again.
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May 1, 2018 20:45
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Roman just needs to go the gently caress away. his wrestling is boring, his character is non-existent and he can’t or won’t adjust either
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remusclaw posted:Roman is a magnified Sheamus from a couple of years ago. He will find his place in a tag team or in the mid card sometime down the road. People will never forget though, and any attempt to move him back up the card will see whatever reactions he is getting by that point turned to boo’s again. I hope he looks stupid
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Roman just needs to go the gently caress away. his wrestling is boring, his character is non-existent and he can’t or won’t adjust either It's definitely can't. Because Vince won't let him.
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May 1, 2018 21:12
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coconono posted:Roman should beat up midcard geeks, just like Missile Assault Ant, got it. Roman will blow up a busload of kids in Zimbabwe and Cole will tell us how those kids got what they deserved for crossing THE BIG DOG
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May 1, 2018 21:14
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Roman just needs to go the gently caress away. his wrestling is boring, his character is non-existent and he can’t or won’t adjust either This is my stance as well. Even if you bump him down the card or turn him heel, the "Roman Reigns" character is just damaged goods at this point. It's been too long and he's too dull of a wrestler. I'm sure he can do good ringwork, but between the Undertaker match where he couldn't carry and the Brock matches that are four moves in total over and over again, I couldn't even begin to give a poo poo about Roman Reigns no matter what happens. Like for christ's sake, how many people have been fed to the big dog in total? Both faces and heels have suffered because of it for no gain. The only one, the ONLY person I think who came out better for it was AJ Styles. CascadeBeta fucked around with this message at 22:07 on May 1, 2018 |
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May 1, 2018 22:03
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CascadeBeta posted:This is my stance as well. Even if you bump him down the card or turn him heel, the "Roman Reigns" character is just damaged goods at this point. It's been too long and he's too dull of a wrestler. I'm sure he can do good ringwork, but between the Undertaker match where he couldn't carry and the Brock matches that are four moves in total over and over again, I couldn't even begin to give a poo poo about Roman Reigns no matter what happens. He’s a good worker, has consistently good matches, his ones with Brock stink, but you gotta wonder about that, Brock is good when he feels motivated and a sack of crap otherwise. Disagree about him getting people over, Braun and Romans feud made Braun, It got him over as a face and put him in the position of monster who does ludicrous things. I do wonder if this is partially CM Punks fault, his interview with Cabana and the “Make Roman look strong” segment may have exposed him as the chosen guy early on and set a narrative that led to him being rejected by a large chunk of the fans.
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May 1, 2018 22:14
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HidaO-Win posted:I do wonder if this is partially CM Punks fault, his interview with Cabana and the “Make Roman look strong” segment may have exposed him as the chosen guy early on and set a narrative that led to him being rejected by a large chunk of the fans. I mean, it's not CM Punk's fault but there was also the story that CM Punk's idea of the Shield was Rollins, Ambrose and Chris Hero...
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May 1, 2018 22:19
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HidaO-Win posted:I do wonder if this is partially CM Punks fault, his interview with Cabana and the “Make Roman look strong” segment may have exposed him as the chosen guy early on and set a narrative that led to him being rejected by a large chunk of the fans. It was this plus Roman and Bryan returning from medical problems around the same time that basically did him in.
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May 1, 2018 22:24
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I went back and listened to a WOR from February 2012 on a lark. Dave really doesn't seem too high on this kid that beat Tanahashi... 
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May 1, 2018 22:28
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Today’s Observer Live has been put in the WOR feed Fuckers trying to trick me into listening to Semp. NOPE.
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HidaO-Win posted:He’s a good worker, has consistently good matches, his ones with Brock stink, but you gotta wonder about that, Brock is good when he feels motivated and a sack of crap otherwise. The problem wasn't that, the year before Roman won the rumble he came second to Batista and people were cheering for Roman to win - not because he wasn't Bryan but because Batista then represented what Roman does now. He was ordained to win, everyone knew it, and the fans desperately wanted something new especially after the shenanigans to get Cena v Rock twice-ina-lifetime bullshit the year previous. They gave him the elimination record and if they had pulled the trigger and just strapped a rocket to him it would've worked but instead it became clear as day he was being groomed to be the future but damnit we need Randy v Batista to main event wrestlemania so they passed over Roman and Bryan in one swoop. By a year later a lot changed - CM Punk had quit at that same rumble, The Shield had broken up and instantly Roman was moved to the main event challenging for the world title over Bryan who had established himself firmly as the top face in the fans eyes. Roman was still very very green as well and he went from being a hot tag to being a singles wrestler in the main where he didn't have Seth to cover up his deficiencies. To make matters worse Roman got hurt that year and they kept having crossover interviews to check on how Roman is doing, and they were done sincerely to that everyone cinnected them to both "where's poochy" and a hilariously non-heel version of Randy Orton's injury updates. It was at this time Punk and Cabana did the podcast, and yeah it all just added up to how a guy who was injured was being pushed down the fans throats.
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It didnt help the injury was a strangulated hernia, which meant that a bunch of idiots thought it was a herniated disc, so a lot of jokes were cracked about Roman having a bad back when in reality his intestines were out of place, being wrapped around his spinal discs, causing his spine compress the intestines putting them in danger of being ruptured, which would have a high chance of killing him.
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May 1, 2018 22:48
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Lid posted:The problem wasn't that, the year before Roman won the rumble he came second to Batista and people were cheering for Roman to win - not because he wasn't Bryan but because Batista then represented what Roman does now. He was ordained to win, everyone knew it, and the fans desperately wanted something new especially after the shenanigans to get Cena v Rock twice-ina-lifetime bullshit the year previous. I was at that Rumble, that crowd would've cheered for anyone in that spot. We weren't cheering for Roman, we were cheering the guy that wasn't Batista. Epico could've been the last guy in that Rumble with Batista and he'd have gotten as big of a reaction.
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May 1, 2018 22:50
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Dave: Stupid people could go to the moon and they'd still be stupid.
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May 1, 2018 23:06
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Jerusalem posted:Dave: Stupid people could go to the moon and they'd still be stupid. Love it when Dave focuses on Bryan's stupid throw away lines. i was surprised and also relieved that Bryan just let it go once Dave was done.
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May 1, 2018 23:20
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VJeff posted:I went back and listened to a WOR from February 2012 on a lark. Dave really doesn't seem too high on this kid that beat Tanahashi... Nobody was except Gedo and Jado and who the gently caress are they.
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May 1, 2018 23:29
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It was near unanimous that Okada was a poor choice at the time
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May 1, 2018 23:31
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VJeff posted:I went back and listened to a WOR from February 2012 on a lark. Dave really doesn't seem too high on this kid that beat Tanahashi... Everyone thought before his win the Okada push was a bad idea. He had a lovely Done match and a bad promo challenging after so there were very low expectations.
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algebra testes posted:Nobody was except Gedo and Jado and who the gently caress are they. That shirt proved to not be as popular as the other.
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May 1, 2018 23:42
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GoutPatrol posted:Everyone thought before his win the Okada push was a bad idea. He had a lovely Done match and a bad promo challenging after so there were very low expectations. Even the match where he beat Tanahashi ain't that special. The crowd is pretty lukewarm on it until the finish blows them away. You gotta give Gedo credit. He picked his guy and he loving went full-steam ahead. He didn't chicken out twice like Vince has. It doesn't hurt that Okada did kinda turn out to be the best wrestler in the world, though.
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May 1, 2018 23:45
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Okada lives and breathes his character, that's the special sauce Roman "I get to work for a couple nights a week and go home" Reigns doesn't have.
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May 2, 2018 00:55
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Have they ever covered how much merch Roman is moving? Most of Vince's failed projects tend to get waysided after the numbers come in.
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coconono posted:Have they ever covered how much merch Roman is moving? Most of Vince's failed projects tend to get waysided after the numbers come in. I thought I remembered someone saying his shirts were #3 behind Cena and Nakamura but I could be wrong
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Okada grew into the role quickly though and when he lost his first title Dave remarked that it might have been to early. With Okada it shows if you think the guy is the guy you need to give him the chance to show it. With Naito you see if the first push doesn't take you repackge the talent so it stands a better chance of getting over. With Roman we see that doing neither just ends up being awful
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