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SynthesisAlpha posted:In an unrelated note, why is Buffer a power and not a skill that exhausts? Just to let it work into Defect's power heavy card set? So it doesn't work with Secret Technique? So that it persists until a turn where you're actually taking damage. Actions only affect the turn they're played.
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So dual cast has gone down to 1->0 cost and there is a new skill Reprieve for 2:Gain 1->2 focus if targeted enemy does not plan on attacking. Edit: And consume, an uncommon skill to gain 2->3 focus, lose 1 orb slot for 2.
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May 1, 2018 12:44
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They also reworked echo form to have cards cast twice, and multiple stacks will move onto the next card. no more getting 15 of the same card
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May 1, 2018 13:54
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I think Lock-On is new too? Lets you target orbs
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May 1, 2018 14:01
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Huzzah! posted:I think diversity is currently bugged, I went the whole current daily without seeing a single Silent card. Me too, didn't see any. I am loving the new focus based cards. It makes orb based runs way more satisfying. I especially like Lock On, which forces your passive lightning to target a specific mob. I've always loved how deterministic the game is tactically, you can figure out the ideal turn you want to make, the lightning orbs being random make that less so. Especially irritating when your 10 lightning orbs all attack the guy with 100HP and not his little minion with 3HP left who's doing 25 attack damage. I think there will be more tinkering with the focus cards before it leaves beta.
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May 1, 2018 15:10
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Tonetta posted:They also reworked echo form to have cards cast twice, and multiple stacks will move onto the next card. no more getting 15 of the same card This is a really smart rebalance for a lot of reasons, most of all consistency with other decks. It's not like Burst Phantasmal Killer gave you 4x damage, it gives you 2x damage for two turns. Right now power making GBS threads seems to be a little overpowered, and I think Creative AI is the big culprit here. There are a lot of fantastic synergies from both cards and relics under the presumption that you can only use a power once, so being able to just feed powers into your hand every turn seems a little excessive. Even though it was kind of a slow roller (Donu was doing 25x2 damage by the end of the fight) I was pretty much untouchable due to the mountain of active powers I had. On the other hand, I tried to go heavy orb deck with the new Focus cards and still got blown up in act 3 due to a lack of blocking, so maybe I'm just not very good with Defect yet. RyokoTK fucked around with this message at 15:28 on May 1, 2018 |
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May 1, 2018 15:24
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Power making GBS threads is so good right now that you can still just recklessly dump all of your powers against Awakened One because the synergies massively outweigh his +1 strength.  Defect is fun when you get him going, that's for sure.
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May 1, 2018 16:10
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I build orb power hybrids mostly. When it comes to picking cards, I'm 100% taking storm if I see it, followed by defrag, go for the eyes, then other focus sources. The rest I take based off what my deck has, or is lacking. White noise is a bit rng, but there's way too many good powers that cost more than 1 to pass it up imo. I take the first couple leaps I see, and upgrade at least one of them. I avoid cards like hello world and the orb related attacks unless I'm nearing the end of act 1 and I have no source to build orbs other than zap, in which case I'll take one ball lightning. My first upgrade always goes to zap, and from there I prioritize the first leap I get, any storms I get, and any power that gets cost reduction. I ignore turbo's until either I have a bloated deck with expensive powers, have a way to reliably fetch it out of my deck (seek or colorless equivalent) or I come across an all for one.
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May 1, 2018 16:48
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Fun trick with turbo: if you fetch the void out of discard with Hologram+, it exhausts due to being ethereal, but you don't lose the energy because you didn't draw it. It might also work with Seek. You can also keep shoving the void into the discard with reprogramming. The drawback of gaining the void isn't that bad, really.
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May 1, 2018 16:57
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You get a ton of value out of Turbo even if you do draw the Void. It can be a huge enabler to make a turn really work and the potential of getting a somewhat worse turn down the line is absolutely worth the payoff. And if you have Ice Cream you just play it every time because who cares about losing an energy when you're sitting on 20 already.
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May 1, 2018 17:07
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Victorkm posted:So dual cast has gone down to 1->0 cost and there is a new skill Reprieve for 2:Gain 1->2 focus if targeted enemy does not plan on attacking. Edit: And consume, an uncommon skill to gain 2->3 focus, lose 1 orb slot for 2. Haven’t played yet since the patch but thank god they changed dual cast, I was transforming or removing it every game, it made Bash look like an Offerimg.
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May 1, 2018 17:51
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Marketing New Brain posted:Haven’t played yet since the patch but thank god they changed dual cast, I was transforming or removing it every game, it made Bash look like an Offerimg. Yeah, 0-energy Dualcast is actually a kinda decent card.
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May 1, 2018 17:55
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With that card that eats or slots, 1 wonder how good having only 1 orb slot is. I guess the problem is it requires the same setup as having 3 full slots and you miss out on the passives
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May 1, 2018 18:26
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RyokoTK posted:Yeah, 0-energy Dualcast is actually a kinda decent card. Having to upgrade both Zap and a Dual Cast was too much. I still think zap needs some sort of change since it’s at least ok upgraded but being so much worse than the channel a lightning attack common is rough. The deck should also start with a 0 cost card since it’s a theme you can build around.
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May 1, 2018 18:47
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Reprieve is a ridiculously good card. Echo Form'd Reprieve -> Hologram -> Reprieve pretty much instantly won me the game against the shapes. Honestly Hologram is a really good card too. RyokoTK fucked around with this message at 19:00 on May 1, 2018 |
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May 1, 2018 18:58
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Hologram+ is insanely good and fixes a lot of bad hands. Go get that force field if you have no block. Grab streamline again because hey it's a free 20 damage now. Turbo twice so you can skim and just go nuts. All for One twice and play 22 cards this turn. Another fun fact! Since mummified hand reduces the cost of a card to zero until end of turn, it stays that when when you hologram it back. It also makes All for One fetch it out of your discard! Defect has tons of new interactions with relics that you couldn't see on Silent/Ironclad. Someday I'll get a darkness deck to work. I want to amplify/echo Loop and impulse a bunch of times I to dualcasting huge fat dark orbs. Every time I pull darkness it just makes an orb or two that sit there until I win theology other cards. Dark orbs are in such a weird place and I hope they see a rework or improvement.
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May 1, 2018 19:18
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For some reason I assumed stream power and turbo were bad because of the status effects, but after trying them I found out that they're extremely strong. Especially when combined with each other or All For One. Colourless cards are also really good on the defect, more so than on the silent or the ironclad.
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May 1, 2018 19:52
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A Moose posted:With that card that eats or slots, 1 wonder how good having only 1 orb slot is. I guess the problem is it requires the same setup as having 3 full slots and you miss out on the passives It's pretty good with dark orbs. Loop and Gold-Plated Cables synergize very well with a single orb. I had a run yesterday where I was able to get one orb to 105 damage by turn 5 then killed the time-eater with a Multi-Cast. It was a fairly garbage run that was carried by Consume. Also, if you use Redo on dark orbs they retain their damage so you can keep evoking them without having to restart from base damage. The upgraded version of Redo costs 0 energy so it owns with All For One, Scrape and Hologram.
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May 1, 2018 20:45
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Necronomicon +Turbo+ + Meteor Strike + Double Energy into Tempest and Thunderstrike+ is a great opening hand
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May 2, 2018 00:17
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megacrit please bring back the old art for Go For The Eyes, tia
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May 2, 2018 01:33
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 yeah its only been out an hour, but I take what i can get.
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May 2, 2018 01:55
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Huzzah! posted:
If you play on the beta branch you can do the daily as the new character.  It's really fun to use All for One in a deck with a couple Mind Blasts and then Hologram+ it back into your hand.
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May 2, 2018 02:11
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logger posted:If you play on the beta branch you can do the daily as the new character. I am so bad at getting Champion/Perfect with Defect. It's so hard to drum up enough block, and none of Defect's gold cards have any blocking component at all! (Except Rainbow gives you one frost orb.) I did bottle All For One, so my first turn being Mind Blast -> All For One -> Mind Blast was pretty sweet lol RyokoTK fucked around with this message at 06:49 on May 2, 2018 |
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May 2, 2018 06:44
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No block on rare cards isn't a particularly bad thing, given you only get the opportunity at a handful a run. I had a kinda lucky run a bit ago where I picked up calipers & I just rolled a bunch of frost orbs with reprise & 1 defrag as my focus buffs. Ended up perfecting all the bosses (took damage on all the elites though).
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May 2, 2018 07:32
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leap is very good, genetic algorithm great if you pick it up early and even autoshield will do. Echo form trivialises block generation like it does everything else of course. I don’t really want block from rare cards that’s what commons are for, but relying on frost orbs isn’t tenable until unless you get deep in a focus frost build, draft leaps.
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May 2, 2018 07:35
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Just found an interesting bug - went through the event to get a tome, but misclicked and skipped the reward. Abandoned the run and started a new one, and picked the option to upgrade a card. Instead of upgrading the card, it gave me the book I would've gotten from the event in the previous run and the card remains unupgraded. I'm not entirely sure how reproduceable this is, but it took me by surprise. e: e2: Or not? I'm in a fight now and the card is unupgraded. 
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May 2, 2018 12:10
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Tonetta posted:No block on rare cards isn't a particularly bad thing, given you only get the opportunity at a handful a run. I had a kinda lucky run a bit ago where I picked up calipers & I just rolled a bunch of frost orbs with reprise & 1 defrag as my focus buffs. Ended up perfecting all the bosses (took damage on all the elites though). The specific daily had Big Game Hunters so it’s more elites and more rare cards. I agree that in a normal run it’s a non issue.
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May 2, 2018 13:48
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Misclicked on the Neow screen and accidentally traded away the starting relic for the goddamn Orrery. Then proceeded to get no energy relics and no good powers except for Defragment. Thankfully Pandora's Box came in hugely on the clutch with two Leaps and a Glacier. Won with a perfect against the final boss. Just stacked frost orbs like crazy for defense and went heavy on the free attacks. Defect is so good and I love that having 3 energy really just isn't a big deal even if you don't bother with TURBO. What a fun and diverse class, there are so many markedly distinct ways to build your deck and they all seem to work (at least on A0).
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May 2, 2018 15:33
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Here's another fun and weird interaction with Defect. If you play Rebound and then end your turn with a burn or other status/curse with a triggered effect, it considers that card played and puts it back on your deck. Gee, thanks, Rebound!
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May 2, 2018 21:20
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I have to get more disciplined about skipping when the game gives me 3 dead cards. My power curve seems to be at the highest around the middle of act 2, and then i can't resist adding little doodads to my deck to make it cooler (and weaker)
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May 2, 2018 21:41
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Amplify is such a potentially fun card, but I've gotta be something like 1 and 30 with getting it in the same hand as any powers at all. Granted, that one time was an Amplified Biased Cognition and things got kinda funny for a few turns.
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May 2, 2018 21:55
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Yeah Amplify wants to be the Defect’s version of Burst, but unless you also have Creative AI it’s super unreliable and why ever draft it when Echo Form exists and is just as rare.
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May 2, 2018 21:56
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RyokoTK posted:Yeah Amplify wants to be the Defect’s version of Burst, but unless you also have Creative AI it’s super unreliable and why ever draft it when Echo Form exists and is just as rare. I just did a run that had Creative AI, Amplify, and Mummified Hand, and things got real stupid real fast.
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May 3, 2018 01:53
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If you play the daily on beta you will worship Seek, the deck starts with 2 of those, 2 aggregates, 2 double energy, and a tempest. If you get a seek on turn 1 you can grab an aggregate and a seek, and then a double energy and a tempest and its pretty much a first turn kill for anything but a boss.
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May 3, 2018 01:57
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I worship Seek already. Reboot too. It’s ridiculous how much card control Defect has.
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May 3, 2018 02:27
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logger posted:If you play the daily on beta you will worship Seek, the deck starts with 2 of those, 2 aggregates, 2 double energy, and a tempest. If you get a seek on turn 1 you can grab an aggregate and a seek, and then a double energy and a tempest and its pretty much a first turn kill for anything but a boss. It also starts with an All For One, so even boss fights generally ended the first turn I drew a Seek.
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May 3, 2018 02:58
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The deck is random, but with the number of cards you get some Seeks and Aggregates and Double Energies are to be expected. I somehow ended up with 5 Seeks, an Aggregate, 3 Double Energies and a Tempest in my starting deck. I do almost 400 damage on the turn I draw a seek, and 10% of my cards are seeks.
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May 3, 2018 03:13
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Huh. Having an Artifact up means you don't take the Focus hit from Hyperbeam. That's handy to know.
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May 3, 2018 05:51
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BBJoey posted:does artifact negate the downside of biased cognition, then? It blocks a single instance of it but not the effect itself iirc, same as Wraith Form.
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