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Stairmaster posted:Why... why didn't the ai give essex more escorts.... The ships shown in combat report are those that took part in the combat, so there might have been more of them.
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Grey Hunter posted:I put some dive bombers on Truk also notice the hit report from the scouts.... I always assumed that the hit reports from scouts were always BS since actual damage reports came from the combat units, not the scouts. Is the scout reporting the hit from the sub in the morning, or is it making up an additional report from the afternoon?
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A damaged Essex for a sunk Japanese sub is one of the better trades the AI has made this month.
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saintonan posted:I always assumed that the hit reports from scouts were always BS since actual damage reports came from the combat units, not the scouts. Is the scout reporting the hit from the sub in the morning, or is it making up an additional report from the afternoon? I think those are reports of scouts reporting hits on things that they encounter while on patrol. The same way ASW air attacks are reported.
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Nailing a fleet carrier with a sub torpedo is one of the more historical things that has happened here to be honest.
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Hell of a way to die, I-15.
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Serpentis posted:Hell of a way to die, I-15.
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29 April 1944 French aviso Tahure sunk by USS Flasher on the Indochinese coast. HMCS Athabaskan torpedoed off Brittany; torpedo boat T-27 sunk by HMCS Haida in turn.
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So how bad is the damage from a torp hit on the Essex likely to be? Laid up for a couple of weeks on whatever nearest island has Seabees setup on it for field repairs? Back to Sydney?
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wedgekree posted:So how bad is the damage from a torp hit on the Essex likely to be? Laid up for a couple of weeks on whatever nearest island has Seabees setup on it for field repairs? Back to Sydney? In my last playthrough as the Allies, one of my Yorktowns got hit by a Betty's torpedo and came away with only a few points of damage, none of it flagged "major". Repairs over the course of a day or two at a forward port covered most of the non-major damage. By contrast, in one of my earlier playthroughs, half a dozen Swordfish attacked a TF with Musashi in it. I was thinking "oh cool, maybe I'll get lucky and force it out of theater for a month or two" and just skipped the combat playback. Got to the report: "BB Musashi, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk". In short, damage rolls are highly variable. Ship and sub-borne torpedoes have a bit more oomph than the aerials from my anecdotes, so against a state-of-the-art capital ship like Essex, I'd wager it dealt around 20 major damage. Something like that would keep her offline for 4-6 weeks if the AI sends her to Pearl for repairs. If the AI lives dangerously, that's not enough damage to stop air ops, so it might simply continue its sortie despite the damage.
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Slippery42 posted:
So theoretically if the Essex stays in theatre with low to moderate damage from the torpedo hit, is that a good ground to stage some airstrikes on if anything is in range that can achieve force concentration? OR too prone to attrition to make it worhtwhile?
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I-15's crew and the dead men walking of Charnel House died to prolong a war.
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Reuben Sandwich posted:I-15's crew and the dead men walking of Charnel House died to prolong a war. They died to ensure a third atomic bomb is dropped on their homeland
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wedgekree posted:So theoretically if the Essex stays in theatre with low to moderate damage from the torpedo hit, is that a good ground to stage some airstrikes on if anything is in range that can achieve force concentration? OR too prone to attrition to make it worhtwhile? Probably not, but it's hard to say. Slippery is right that unless the hit was very lucky, this will probably require a month or two of repairs, but won't stop air operations or slow Essex down much. The biggest factor would be whether Essex has other carriers with her, which we don't know. Anecdotally, almost the exact same thing happened recently in my game: Essex took a single sub torpedo while operating near Makin. It took some damage but continued flying planes and was never in any real danger of sinking. Repairs at Pearl are almost done, having taken a little over two months so far.
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Would it make sense to send subs to areas around major allied harbors to target new ships coming into theater and damaged ships seeking repairs?
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Absolutely, subs off Japan catch cripples on their way back for repair occasionally in my game.
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May 1, 2018 14:56
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A tap on the middle is probably fine. A torpedo in the stern to do some lovely engine damage... but that's hard. She's faster than you, you haven't got long to line up that shot.
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I always write off one torpedo as "wear and tear" if it's on an American carrier
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   May starts well as this idiot sails into Truk.  We then set an oiler on fire. We're going for the hundred this month guys!  My carriers are out again, and we get involved in a scrap over Munda.  Boo.   Wake has some air support now.  [img]https://lpix.org/3106512/6].jpg[/img] So may is going to be the 100 ship challenge! I plan to sink (or confirm sunk)100 enemy ships. I have sent a wire to Washington and London telling them as much.  2/100 down.   Another strong month, although losses do mean I now need 5,060 points to auto win in 1945.   The allies have taken horrendous losses for no gains.  Aircraft losses remain steady and much lower than the AI's.  Their ground losses are increasing rapidly.   Their ship losses are just insane!  No one can claim this is a good thing.  Here are my own losses for comparison!
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No matter what happens from here on in, that is a damned impressive enemy sunk ships list.
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I'm finding it difficult to imagine that the Allies will be able to maintain their timetable of landing in the Philippines within the next 5 months at this rate
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I dunno. Landing hasn't been a problem for them so far, it's everything else that comes after. I mean if you discount all the troop ships that mysteriously didn't get to their destination and which probably just turned back with all those soldiers that are now playing together at a farm.
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I want to put giant  s around ground losses given how many of them are in the sea.
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Didn't we sink Iowa? Why isn't it on the list?
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Where's the Iowa?
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This is the confirmed list, so there may be a few extras and a few missing.
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We seems to have gotten way better at killing liberators just in time for the superforts to start showing up.
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  There is a major scrap of minor ships at Truk.  This still feels liberateing.  Goodbye fools.  The raiders survive the Banshee attack.   This seems to be the target for all the Allies Superfortresses. I don't see it myself. There are seven raids like this though!   The last Chinese base between me and Chunking falls in a day.  Not a great day, but we took some nice real estate hopefully I can use that to start bombing Chunking.  Yeah, these guys have been on borrowed time for a while. Challenge 2/100
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drat, how is a PB worth that much?
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By being a merchant hull with a couple of guns strapped to it.
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Saint Celestine posted:drat, how is a PB worth that much? It is groundhog's day ITT
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So apparently the Emmons and Forrest got their minesweeper conversions done early in this timeline, they weren't turned into DMS until November 1944 in real life. They're both recent vintage Gleaves-class destroyers, but even so beating up on two 1920s destroyers and two modern destroyers while also blowing up five converted freighters is seriously impressive. Probably going to be trumpeted as one of the finest and most important victories in the war. Sign up for the Marines today, we've almost whipped them!
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Hey Grey Hunter, do you know where those strat bombers fly from, and have you considered shooting up the place?
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Send the Kido Butai on a surprise raid on Pearl Harbor! They won't expect such an audatious raid a second time around so late into the war, how could it fail?
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:Send the Kido Butai on a surprise raid on Pearl Harbor! They won't expect such an audatious raid a second time around so late into the war, how could it fail? Yes, do this.
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That's stupid and dumb, especially when there's so many more easy base points to be had in the Soviet Union.
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habeasdorkus posted:Probably going to be trumpeted as one of the finest and most important victories in the war. Sign up for the Marines today, we've almost whipped them! Join the marines and you get to see the sunken hulls of those Japanese destroyers.
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2 May 1944 ABDA veteran and hero of Balikpapan USS Parrott, a 1919-vintage Clemson-class destroyer, meets an ignominious fate, being run over by a merchant ship in port.
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:Send the Kido Butai on a surprise raid on Pearl Harbor! They won't expect such an audatious raid a second time around so late into the war, how could it fail? Its late October 43 in my game and if the AI had any carriers left this might work tbh, I have at best token CAP at Pearl these days and the closest of my CTFs is at Truk.
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