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Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


spit on my clit posted:

i don't care who is looting from what, it is not good when people steal things.
Disagree. Shoplifting from a gigantic corporation? Go for it, I say. Stealing garbage? Technically, if someone dumps a sofa on the side of the road and you take it, that's theft. But it's a bullshit crime that no one should care about. Ripping off an insurance company? Good. Fantastic even. Any time anyone can make those fuckers pay is great.

spit on my clit posted:

rioting occurs when the good intentions of "we need to cause an uproar" get spoiled by numerous amounts of people who want to wreck poo poo and steal poo poo, please calm down and come off from that high seat of yours
How do you cause an uproar without wrecking poo poo?

spit on my clit posted:

law inforcement is not a tool to enforce white supremacy, that's like saying that japanese law enforcement exists to enforce japanese supremacy
It is though. The police serve the interests of the powerful. Whatever group is ascendant is the group whose interests are protected by the police.

Canemacar posted:

Honest curiosity here. What is your proposed alternative to police?
I'd separate out the functions of the police to several independent organisations. You've got things like conflict de-escalation, carrying out arrests, investigating crime, traffic enforcement, dispute mediation, etc. and the same people doing all of them. Why? That's not efficient or effective.

yeah I eat rear end posted:

You could put in measures to avoid corruption/outside influence by making their funding scale with legitimate convictions
That is the opposite of discouraging corruption. If you reward people based on a particular number increasing then they're going to do everything they can to game that number. If they have to get convictions to get paid then they're going to get convictions no matter what it takes.

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yeah I eat ass
Mar 14, 2005

only people who enjoy my posting can replace this avatar
That is why i specifically said legitimate convictions tiggum.

Whitlam
Aug 2, 2014

Some goons overreact. Go figure.

Tiggum posted:

I'd separate out the functions of the police to several independent organisations. You've got things like conflict de-escalation, carrying out arrests, investigating crime, traffic enforcement, dispute mediation, etc. and the same people doing all of them. Why? That's not efficient or effective.

No, efficient and ineffective is having the functions of the police so compartmentalised that you have a different group for arresting, a different group for "de-escalation" (whatever the gently caress that means, because not every single incident can be de-escalated without force), a different unit doing dispute mediation (again, whatever the gently caress that means, because I'm pretty sure VicPol (not sure if you're in Vic or another state) does anything like that), so on. Effectively abolishing general duties police is the opposite of efficient, imo.

Also many of those functions are carried out by different units at a specialist level - that's why we have highway patrol, prosecutions, homicide, K9, SOG, and so forth.

Guy Goodbody
Aug 31, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo
Ultimate Spider-Man isn't very good

spit on my clit
Jul 19, 2015

by Cyrano4747

Elizabethan Error posted:

yah no i was pointing out how you backpedaled, but thanks for playing.

hey, i got a great av out of it, so i must have won. also not backpedaling lol fuk u

Tiggum posted:

Disagree. Shoplifting from a gigantic corporation? Go for it, I say. Stealing garbage? Technically, if someone dumps a sofa on the side of the road and you take it, that's theft. But it's a bullshit crime that no one should care about. Ripping off an insurance company? Good. Fantastic even. Any time anyone can make those fuckers pay is great.

How do you cause an uproar without wrecking poo poo?

It is though. The police serve the interests of the powerful. Whatever group is ascendant is the group whose interests are protected by the police.

I'd separate out the functions of the police to several independent organisations. You've got things like conflict de-escalation, carrying out arrests, investigating crime, traffic enforcement, dispute mediation, etc. and the same people doing all of them. Why? That's not efficient or effective.

That is the opposite of discouraging corruption. If you reward people based on a particular number increasing then they're going to do everything they can to game that number. If they have to get convictions to get paid then they're going to get convictions no matter what it takes.

(stealing from stores) stealing: is bad. thats the definition of stealing to anyone with a working brain

(causing uproars peacefully) if the womens march is anything go to by, you totally can cause an uproar without wrecking poo poo

(police being inherently white supremacist) that point does not work. lets take sweden, for example, where they cover for anyone that isn't native to sweden.

(the different functions of the police) that's a point i agree with. it would be good to seperate out groups to specialists trained in those specific fields, yeah, which is what whitlam said

(fighting corruption) Yeah, people will find a way to get the most cash the easiest way with a system like that in place

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Elizabethan Error
May 18, 2006

spit on my clit posted:

(causing uproars peacefully) if the womens march is anything go to by, you totally can cause an uproar without wrecking poo poo

spit on my clit posted:

(police being inherently white supremacist) that point does not work. lets take sweden, for example, where they cover for anyone that isn't native to sweden.
noted non-xenophobic country, Sweden. :ironicat:

spit on my clit
Jul 19, 2015

by Cyrano4747

Elizabethan Error posted:

noted non-xenophobic country, Sweden. :ironicat:

yeah


that is also a good example.

Elizabethan Error
May 18, 2006

spit on my clit posted:

yeah

that is also a good example.
Sweden is one of the worst countries in europe for xenophobia and the tiananmen protests(non-violent) didn't really work out that well for the protestors

Guy Goodbody
Aug 31, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

spit on my clit posted:

(police being inherently white supremacist) that point does not work. lets take sweden, for example, where they cover for anyone that isn't native to sweden.

I feel like we can all stop seriously arguing with spit on my clit after they've revealed they get all their news from Breitbart

Canemacar
Mar 8, 2008

Guy Goodbody posted:

I feel like we can all stop seriously arguing with spit on my clit after they've revealed they get all their news from Breitbart

Seriously, dude, stop ad hominem-ing everyone.

The Swedish police forbid recording details like race, nationality, or religion with the explicit intent of making sure immigrants are not seen as criminals. That's not from Breitbart, it's from their own press corps.

Baudolino
Apr 1, 2010

THUNDERDOME LOSER
Boys benefit from much stricter discipline then what is necessary to use against girls. Ironically most societies allow young boys much more freedom then young girls when actually it should be the other way around. You would see far less male criminals and male drop-outs after a generation. For this to work you would probably need to put boys and girls in different schools before college, perhaps even a system of mandatory board schools for boys once they reach middle school age. Plenty of daily exercise and immediate physical punishment for transgressing against norms and decency (as defined by the school charter and interpretation of the academic staff). They would learn to be humble, that hard work is a virtue, to value honor more than their money , to be uncomfortable when comfortable , to hate luxury and love thrift, that they have fear to fear failure and that inaction is the greatest failure of all, and above all to respect the dignity of everyone else regardless of gender, sexual orientation, race or class because anything less would be extremely dishonorable.

Unfortunately i am unlikely to get society to go along with my vision. But if ever have children i will try be a very chill "cool dad" to my daughters that lets go to parties and buys them their first wine coolers, and as a demanding drillmaster to my boys that imposes a early bedtime and lectures them about the value of sobriety and modest habits.

EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

Don't you think that would cause resentment between your sons and daughters? Also the wine coolers thing sounds p weird to me

Guy Goodbody
Aug 31, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

Canemacar posted:

Seriously, dude, stop ad hominem-ing everyone.

No.

Canemacar
Mar 8, 2008


So edgy I cut myself. :jerkbag:

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
I'm honestly not sure why anyone even wants to have children.

Turtlicious
Sep 17, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
If you spend money on a good knife, it is nearly indestructible, and at worst needs to be re-sharpened. People's constant worrying about the care and maintenance of their knives outside of routine sharpening, honing, and polishing has gotten fetishistic and dumb. Chefs who wash their own knives because they think the guy washing them will "ruin" them is kind of insulting to the staff person who does that job.

That being said, Chef's should wash their own knives because the Dish Washer doesn't deal with a lot of knives and might cut themself.

starkebn
May 18, 2004

"Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"

Wheat Loaf posted:

I'm honestly not sure why anyone even wants to have children.

Believe me, as a parent you ask yourself that from time to time

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

starkebn posted:

Believe me, as a parent you ask yourself that from time to time

I'm not trying to make a joke or be "edgy" or anything; I genuinely don't understand why, for example, my parents decided to have me. I've thought about it a lot in the past but I always draw a blank.

Caufman
May 7, 2007
I loving love Starship Troopers. All of it: the book, the movies, the cartoons, the video games, even the Avalon Hill boardgame. I love it when it's pro-militarism and when it's anti-militarism. I love all the breasts, male, female, and alien.

Also, Heinlein wrote this in the book: "“Girls are simply wonderful. Just to stand on a corner and watch them going past is delightful. They don't walk. At least not what we do when we walk. I don't know how to describe it, but it's much more complex and utterly delightful. They don't move just their feet; everything moves and in different directions . . . and all of it graceful.”

Wheat Loaf posted:

I'm honestly not sure why anyone even wants to have children.

I have plans that will take billions of years to fully execute. It's easier to prepare my own children for the mission, but I'm not opposed to indoctrinating other peoples' children, either.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

Wheat Loaf posted:

I'm honestly not sure why anyone even wants to have children.

My parents told me they expect me to take care of them in their old age. There's that.

Caufman
May 7, 2007

Mu Zeta posted:

My parents told me they expect me to take care of them in their old age. There's that.

Slavery. Were your parents baby boomers?

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010

Wheat Loaf posted:

I'm honestly not sure why anyone even wants to have children.

The perpetuation of the species is kind of hardwired into our brain

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

Caufman posted:

Slavery. Were your parents baby boomers?

They are asian

starkebn
May 18, 2004

"Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"

Wheat Loaf posted:

I'm not trying to make a joke or be "edgy" or anything; I genuinely don't understand why, for example, my parents decided to have me. I've thought about it a lot in the past but I always draw a blank.

Me either, but it's mostly

Henchman of Santa posted:

The perpetuation of the species is kind of hardwired into our brain

starkebn
May 18, 2004

"Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"
And you think you'll be a good parent and raise your kids better than everyone else

Caufman
May 7, 2007

Mu Zeta posted:

They are asian

Ah, mine as well, and culturally Confucian. Confucianism is what happens when people forget the dao and end up living lives in service to arbitrary authority.

Canemacar
Mar 8, 2008

Caufman posted:

Ah, mine as well, and culturally Confucian. Confucianism is what happens when people forget the dao and end up living lives in service to arbitrary authority.

Confucianism has it's faults, but at least it's not Legalism.

yeah I eat ass
Mar 14, 2005

only people who enjoy my posting can replace this avatar

Wheat Loaf posted:

I'm not trying to make a joke or be "edgy" or anything; I genuinely don't understand why, for example, my parents decided to have me. I've thought about it a lot in the past but I always draw a blank.

If you're searching for some profound well thought out reason, there probably wasn't one. Most people just view it as the natural step to take after marriage, plus the previously mentioned biological instinct. For my parents it was basically "ok we're married, let's start a family". Lots of parents joke about how they want someone to take care of them when they're old but at least in most cases it's just a joke - raising a kid costs a lot of money, especially if they go to college. If all they wanted was a caretaker when they're old they could just pay for one.

doverhog
May 31, 2013

Defender of democracy and human rights 🇺🇦

yeah I eat rear end posted:

If you're searching for some profound well thought out reason, there probably wasn't one. Most people just view it as the natural step to take after marriage, plus the previously mentioned biological instinct. For my parents it was basically "ok we're married, let's start a family". Lots of parents joke about how they want someone to take care of them when they're old but at least in most cases it's just a joke - raising a kid costs a lot of money, especially if they go to college. If all they wanted was a caretaker when they're old they could just pay for one.

The next question is, why get married?

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Yes, it seems very expensive, which I'd have thought would put most people off.

yeah I eat ass
Mar 14, 2005

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doverhog posted:

The next question is, why get married?

so you can have sex without going to hell, of course.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

doverhog posted:

The next question is, why get married?

Good question. We skipped that stage and just has a kid.

starkebn
May 18, 2004

"Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"
Yet, never bothered to get married, never saw the point

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

.
Marriage is good for tax reporting and insurance.

ToxicSlurpee
Nov 5, 2003

-=SEND HELP=-


Pillbug

Solice Kirsk posted:

Marriage is good for tax reporting and insurance.

It's also really fantastic for long, painful divorce lawsuits.

EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

There's also some super hosed stuff about no rights when it comes to hospital visitation etc.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

The most romantic wedding I've seen on tv is on The Good Wife where Diane and Kurt just walk into City Hall to get married. No dress or suit, just wearing everyday work clothes. Also no guests.

Aramek
Dec 22, 2007

Cutest tumor in all of Oncology!
Well you gotta have those two witnesses. Grab the janitor in the hallway.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010

Wheat Loaf posted:

Yes, it seems very expensive, which I'd have thought would put most people off.

It’s expensive but also weddings are insanely dope

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yeah I eat ass
Mar 14, 2005

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Henchman of Santa posted:

It’s expensive but also weddings are insanely dope

Try going to a dry wedding (except for 1 glass of champagne) with 100% vegan food at the wedding reception and say that. Fortunately the best man smuggled in some wild turkey for the groomsmen but I couldn't help but feel bad for everyone else looking incredibly bored+hungry while my now-sister-in-law went around and kept trying to bait people into complaining about the food.

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