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Lol that Fedor beating big nog, cro cop, hunt, Randleman, Coleman, Sylvia and Arlovski were apparently bad wins at the time
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sleep with the vicious posted:Lol that Fedor beating big nog, cro cop, hunt, Randleman, Coleman, Sylvia and Arlovski were apparently bad wins at the time oh no because of this guy im going to have to change my opinion back to fedor was terrible
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Bundt Cake posted:oh no because of this guy im going to have to change my opinion back to fedor was terrible  
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Josuke Higashikata posted:Chael shouldn't beat Fedor, but neither should have Hendo. Especially when it's not even clear that Chael is smaller. sleep with the vicious posted:Lol that Fedor beating big nog, cro cop, hunt, Randleman, Coleman, Sylvia and Arlovski were apparently bad wins at the time Aside from Nog, all those guys were bad. Except for Coleman, who was merely crazy old rather than bad. Reminder that Arlovski ended up champ through being the only one that hadn't failed a steroid test like Sylvia, crashed his motorcycle, like Mir and who hadn't hosed off to Pride, like Ricco and Rizzo, who both beat him. Neurosis posted:Semi Schilt is a good win too. And hell I'd lose to Ricardo Arona too with the new body fluid rule. Maybe if he'd beaten him in kickboxing. Snowman_McK fucked around with this message at 08:36 on May 3, 2018 |
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sleep with the vicious posted:Lol that Fedor beating big nog, cro cop, hunt, Randleman, Coleman, Sylvia and Arlovski were apparently bad wins at the time Semi Schilt is a good win too. And hell I'd lose to Ricardo Arona too with the new body fluid rule. He did refuse to fight Bob Sapp tho which is hilarious
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May 3, 2018 07:22
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Bundt Cake posted:oh no because of this guy im going to have to change my opinion back to fedor was terrible
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May 3, 2018 08:17
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El Roncho posted:I think another reason Fedor is popular is that people, especially Americans, really like a living stereotype such as a Stoic Russian or a Bus Fighting Irishman. I remember my British grandmother specifically telling me, "Never fight a bus, bums put their butts in them."
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sleep with the vicious posted:Lol that Fedor beating big nog, cro cop, hunt, Randleman, Coleman, Sylvia and Arlovski were apparently bad wins at the time Tim Sylvia was always a fat piece of poo poo whose best attribute was that he knew how to throw a jab and was taller than everyone else. Tim Sylvia rightfully should be considered always bad and we should take joy in the little things (like the ray mercer ko). Cro Cop was juiced to the gills and crushed cans for the majority of his career. Once he fought real competition he got exposed for what he was then returned to a career of crushing cans. Mark Hunt nearly armbarred Fedor. Randleman was a beast and so was Coleman. They also had both been destroying their bodies in competition and with steroids since the late 80s early 90s. Arlovski has always had a glass chin and has been knocked silly by anyone with any sort of power. Big Nog was legit, but also was injured as gently caress when they fought.
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As someone that came into MMA fandom (in a more than extremely casual way) around 2010 with Silva vs Sonnen 1 hype bringing me in I always thought Fedor was this unbeatable monster from overseas because I never bothered to look into the records of his competition or anything like that. I basically just took the hype at surface level and believed it until I saw him actually fight a few times outside of highlight videos. Unless you were a serious fan that watched outside of american promotions it's pretty easy to believe the hype surrounding him I guess. Then he lost a few times in a row in strikeforce and the aura was gone. I just missed peak Fedor hype apparently at the time. Edit: And I mean lets be serious here - The Last Emperor is a really loving good nickname in the realm of MMA fighter nicknames. Orange Carlisle fucked around with this message at 14:21 on May 3, 2018 |
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Mr. Nice! posted:Big Nog was legit, but also was injured as gently caress when they fought. they fought three times you know
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Neurosis posted:they fought three times you know Big Nog is injured as gently caress every fight. Those coach seats are hell.
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As the  I feel the need to restate my very low criteria for evaluating Fedor's opponents.For each opponent I looked at the two fights before fighting Fedor and asked 1 - Were those fights wins? Fedor was uber champ, so he should be fighting people who win fights. Several of the biggest names - Sylvia, Hunt, and Mir, all fought Fedor coming off of a loss (or five). Hunt specifically looked as if he had been thrown in because he had demonstrated the ability to lose by submission to a smaller fighter. 2 - Were that fight against opponents with wikipedia pages? Those wins aren't worth much if it's just against some schmoes that the Yakuza brought in as part of a debt settlement arrangement. Brett Rogers, who challenged Fedor, had one win over a known opponent and something like 7 wins over nobodies. Cro Cop's wins that took him into his title fight were largely padded by nothings, but admittedly he had some good opponents in there too, but that's why I noted him as one of the more legitimate wins. Even Arlovski's win streak is problematic, because his previous fight was a win over Roy Nelson which relied on some very very dodgy refereing to save him from a fat-on-face decision loss, but I counted him anyway. Before Arlovski, the most recent opponent who hit this "Two wins against actual fighters" bar was Nogueira, and that was 14 years ago. Taking a quick glance back, I overlooked that Tsuyoshi Kohsaka (lol) and our very own Matt Lindland manage to sneak through these extremely stringent criteria. Before his defence against Nogueira, Fedor has a few more proper wins, but even there we see guys like Gary Goodridge fighting the #1 guy in the world, with an extremely sad record. So you can say that Fedor fought "the best of his era" but seems to suggest that winning fights is an innovation ca. 2007.
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i love hunt and the hammer house boys, but randleman wasn't even a particularly good fighter by the standards of the era prior to pride, and coleman was a retired dad in his 40s the two nog wins are the best parts of his resume, especially because of how well he gameplanned the rematch, crocop, sylvia, and arlovski were very good wins imo. i feel like my personal crusade has poisoned some brains here. i'm sorry
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Hunt was for sure a bad/insignificant win for Fedor at the time the fight took place in MMA
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Yeah I forgot he fought Nog three times, but if a pivotal point to the quality of a fighter is a win over tim sylvia then you've got problems. I think Randy Couture today would still trounce Fedor and probably would have done the same at any point in his career. Chuck during his heydey beats fedor. I think there are a bevy of MW and LHW fighters from Fedor's own era that would have done fine in the cage with him. I still remember some idiot in a bar in 2009 earnestly trying to tell me that Fedor would school Lesnar. Fedor was king of trashweights for a period of time but got wrecked once he started facing real competition. Remember when hometown officiating and reffing had to save Fedor from Fabio Maldonado? I do.
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May 3, 2018 15:50
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Thats a weird post to make. Just my opinion.
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May 3, 2018 15:53
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Tim Sylvia was fuckin monster back in the day. He never learned how to move his head so that's why changes in MMA striking started to light him up more.
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I got to see Fedor get TKO'd by Big Foot Silva in NJ. That was a fun result of a road trip into a hellish state nobody should ever visit.
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coconono posted:Tim Sylvia was fuckin monster back in the day. He never learned how to move his head so that's why changes in MMA striking started to light him up more. tim sylvia was only ever a monster if his opponent was the buffet. Once Tim fought someone who could deal with his jab, he got trounced. Handy pushed him into a cage and made him look silly and that had nothing to do with head movement.
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May 3, 2018 16:20
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tim was legitimately terrifying before he got off roids, imo
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Bundt Cake posted:tim was legitimately terrifying before he got off roids, imo well obviously you would think so, Bundt Cake
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May 3, 2018 17:52
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"And in time, even one such as Tim Sylvia shall be remembered fondly..." *emotional acoustic song plays*
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Bluedeanie posted:well obviously you would think so, Bundt Cake haha i wasnt trying to say he was good either he was just scary cuz hes a giant dumb gorilla all roided up trying to win approval from jens pulver and matt hughes
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May 3, 2018 18:24
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Bluedeanie posted:well obviously you would think so, Bundt Cake Lol
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Bundt Cake posted:haha That sounds like a mike myers origin story
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He def was terrifying to the woman on his episode of Blind date.
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I was somewhat terrified for a few seconds thinking Ray Mercer had killed him.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuluzinho
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vainman posted:Wikipedia allowing mma pages was a mistake Remember when one admin had an anti-ufc hardon and would delete event pages for like a year and a half?
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Mr. Nice! posted:Remember when one admin had an anti-ufc hardon and would delete event pages for like a year and a half? That guy must still exist because there's a bunch of (YEAR) in UFC pages for minor events.
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May 4, 2018 02:01
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Some say the ghost of Extreme Fighting Championships is being deleted to this very day
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kimbo305 posted:He def was terrifying to the woman on his episode of Blind date. If anyone hasn't seen this, it's like watching the opening ten minutes of amateur porn in an alternate universe where Bangbros is a snuff website.
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Snowman_McK posted:If anyone hasn't seen this, it's like watching the opening ten minutes of amateur porn in an alternate universe where Bangbros is a snuff website. Ole' Timmy comes off so loving goony it's almost endearing.
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roadfc knows how to do fight promotion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpJT-SGtB3s
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Snowman_McK posted:If anyone hasn't seen this, it's like watching the opening ten minutes of amateur porn in an alternate universe where Bangbros is a snuff website. if you've ever wanted to see a very large man be completely awkward and inebriated around a vaguely terrified and somewhat inebriated woman, this is your chance. I thought for the longest time that Tim choked because of the cameras and poo poo. But no, he's like that all the time. I vaguely remember trying to awkward sit out a boner but that may have been me hallucinating.
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Snowman_McK posted:If anyone hasn't seen this, it's like watching the opening ten minutes of amateur porn in an alternate universe where Bangbros is a snuff website. that is a loving vivid description
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Chael Sonnen posted:You won’t say anything about me, but I will say something about you — I don’t accept your wins in Japan. The referee was wearing an earpiece, you never had a weigh-in, you never had a commission. Anyone that came over from Japan to America has a losing record. Why? I’ll tell you because the fights over here are real and they are fixed in Japan. You got a whole lot of rub and a whole lot of money out of doing fake fights, that pisses me off as a fan who bought those fights and that later found out I was buying wrasslin'. Chael selling those wolf tickets.
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Marching Powder posted:that is a loving vivid description Thank you?
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Memento posted:Chael selling those wolf tickets. Excluding the bit where he implies all wins in Japan are worthless he's not wrong
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