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SteelMentor
Oct 15, 2012

TOXIC

Schadenboner posted:

Don't Genestealers have a sexual reproduction cycle? Isn't that where all the generations of hybrids (retarded as that is) come in?

They stick a parasite organ in the first humans they can capture, said humans run off and gently caress like rabbits, parasite organ makes any kids come out as increasingly human looking half-breeds, cult grows over several generations and then they start causing bother.

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ijyt
Apr 10, 2012

skeletons don't have tits

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012

Zuul the Cat posted:

But...they're skeletons. Specifically robot skeletons. Wouldn't it make more sense for the production line to just slam out the same model, rather than "oh poo poo, this lobotomized soul was a woman, lets give it the lady chassis" ? Gender doesn't even make sense for Necrons, the entire point of them is that their previous selves are completely destroyed, and it's not like they reproduce.

Not to dredge up the argument about women being represented in 40k, but to me it seems like making robot skeletons feminine makes about as much sense as Tyranids.

Thats why I think tits on drone necron is silly, but necron lords explicitly have sentience, free will, and regularly change their bodies and/or accessorize, hence my hovertank bit; it makes as much sense for a necron to keep their legs/go spider as it does for them to wear jewelery, have a masculine body, or have a feminine body. It's entirely up to their whims.

If we're going to get into the skeleton theme, then standard Necron absolutely have masculine features that distinguish them from a standard human skeleton. In particular their large sharp jawlines, exaggerated torsos, and small pelvises. They're not genderless in design at all.

Neurolimal fucked around with this message at 19:54 on May 4, 2018

TKIY
Nov 6, 2012
Grimey Drawer

Pendent posted:

Pull up thread, pull up.

This is the point where it needs to pull up?

Every day there are about 200 new posts here and lately about 5% of them have some sort of substance. Transgender people were a dumb inclusion though, my bad.

SteelMentor
Oct 15, 2012

TOXIC
Clearly we need to debate this for 69 more pages.

tallkidwithglasses
Feb 7, 2006

ijyt posted:

skeletons don't have tits

If you were a feminist like neurotypical you would know that in fact they do, and it’s empowering.

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

by Shine

SteelMentor posted:

Clearly we need to debate this for 69 more pages.

Nice!

ijyt posted:

skeletons don't have tits

They also don't have eyes though?

Guy Goodbody
Aug 31, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

Neurolimal posted:

Thats why I think tits on drone necron is silly, but necron lords explicitly have sentience, free will, and regularly change their bodies and/or accessorize, hence my hovertank bit; it makes as much sense for a necron to keep their legs/go spider as it does for them to wear jewelery, have a masvuline body, or have a feminine body. It's entirely up to their whims..

That's a pretty reasonable position, I think

Proletariat Beowulf
Jan 7, 2007
I wish meat screamed as I ate it.

Schadenboner posted:

Don't Genestealers have a sexual reproduction cycle? Isn't that where all the generations of hybrids (retarded as that is) come in?

Nah, they hijack other species' reproduction cycles by overwriting their gametes & adding an increased reproductive drive.

E: f, b.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

Our Lovely Wang

ijyt posted:

skeletons don't have tits

Then what is the point of wanking over them?

Beerdeer
Apr 25, 2006

Frank Herbert's Dude
How about the new Deathwatch? Sounds like a Master will be a must-take. No info on whether there is a Primaris Master.

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012
I know some dudes are just shitposting, but in case anyone genuinely missed it:

Neurolimal posted:

3. I'm less focused on that model than I am with the general idea behind my argument. If there were other feminine necron sans tits I'd favor them, but currently the necrons are stuck in a transformers-esque "they have no gender! They're robots! Besides the broad chest, thin hips, and all-male voice acting." Rut.

Two Beans
Nov 27, 2003

dabbin' on em
Pillbug

Neurolimal posted:

I know some dudes are just shitposting, but in case anyone genuinely missed it:

Yes, we get it. You like to argue.

SteelMentor
Oct 15, 2012

TOXIC
Transformers currently has a glut of ladybots without any real significant diamorphism. Hell, some of the recent comics made nerds mad by having a bunch of characters wonder "hey wait why do we have gender anyway what the gently caress" out loud.

Skeletiddies are dumb.

mango sentinel
Jan 5, 2001

by sebmojo

TKIY posted:

Neither is 17 pages of Tittycron defense, yet here we are.

Dunking on neuroliminal for wanting to parade his robot titty kink on the tabletop was actually very funny.

lovely, demeaning trans jokes are not.

Beerdeer
Apr 25, 2006

Frank Herbert's Dude

SteelMentor posted:

Transformers currently has a glut of ladybots without any real significant diamorphism. Hell, some of the recent comics made nerds mad by having a bunch of characters wonder "hey wait why do we have gender anyway what the gently caress" out loud.


Post panels, that sounds hilarious.

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012

SteelMentor posted:

Transformers currently has a glut of ladybots without any real significant diamorphism. Hell, some of the recent comics made nerds mad by having a bunch of characters wonder "hey wait why do we have gender anyway what the gently caress" out loud.

Skeletiddies are dumb.

That's a modern transformers thing; starting around the time Windblade was created you had a lot of old grognards moaning about having such a feminine bot in their Totally Gender Neutral Besides Arcee Squad.

I understand why you might do it subconciously, but it's still important to recognize that just because they're a robot doesn't mean they dont have masculine features, were modeled off male reference material, and exclusively have male voice actors.

Neurolimal fucked around with this message at 20:14 on May 4, 2018

Guy Goodbody
Aug 31, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo
I think a lot of you guys are pointedly ignoring Neuoliminals actual argument, that since Necorn characters change their bodies to be like their former regal status in life, it would be good if some of them were lady Necrons, and instead just saying "skeletons don't have tits". Which, while true, isn't really germane to the discussion

Beerdeer
Apr 25, 2006

Frank Herbert's Dude
OH MY GOD STOP POSTING ABOUT EACH OTHER AND POST MODELS/DISCUSS RULES

TKIY
Nov 6, 2012
Grimey Drawer

mango sentinel posted:

Dunking on neuroliminal for wanting to parade his robot titty kink on the tabletop was actually very funny.

lovely, demeaning trans jokes are not.

Which I already acknowledged.

SteelMentor
Oct 15, 2012

TOXIC

Guy Goodbody posted:

I think a lot of you guys are pointedly ignoring Neuoliminals actual argument, that since Necorn characters change their bodies to be like their former regal status in life, it would be good if some of them were lady Necrons, and instead just saying "skeletons don't have tits". Which, while true, isn't really germane to the discussion

Skeletons don't have tits.


Beerdeer posted:

OH MY GOD STOP POSTING ABOUT EACH OTHER AND POST MODELS/DISCUSS RULES

So hey! Did you know that Dan Abnett wrote the backstory and penned a comic for a theme-park ride? And that said ride looks like if the Iron Warriors tried to mash a bunch of 'Nids into a rollercoaster? That's pretty neat.

Maneck
Sep 11, 2011

Guy Goodbody posted:

I think a lot of you guys are pointedly ignoring Neuoliminals actual argument, that since Necorn characters change their bodies to be like their former regal status in life

No. That argument was debunked, repeatedly. Go read the past 30 pages before you decide to die on this stupid hill too.

Beerdeer
Apr 25, 2006

Frank Herbert's Dude

SteelMentor posted:



So hey! Did you know that Dan Abnett wrote the backstory and penned a comic for a theme-park ride? And that said ride looks like if the Iron Warriors tried to mash a bunch of 'Nids into a rollercoaster? That's pretty neat.

That actually is very neat!

MasterSlowPoke
Oct 9, 2005

Our courage will pull us through

Zuul the Cat posted:

I'm participating in a "Chapters of the Adeptus Astartes" event at my local GW. Just picked up a box of 10 Tactical Marines yesterday. 10 of us got assigned 10 chapters. Mine are:

The Sons of Guilliman, Iron Snakes, Angels of Vengeance, Revilers, Hawk Lords, Sons of Medusa, Genesis Chapter, Masters of Protelus, Angels Porphyr and the Subjugators.

I think I have a pretty good idea on how to paint most of these, but what green paint should I use for the Sons of Medusa? I was thinking the new Deathguard Green with a waywatcher green glaze or two over it.

Also, if there's interest i'll post some WIP shots. I have a ton of extra Space Marine bits, so I want to give them all some character.

Sons of Medusa are almost a neon green, what you're describing will be more of a pastel Easter green. I'd probably do Waywatcher Green, go up to Moot Green, then start using Bad Moon Yellow for the edge highlights. Do you use an airbrush?

Maneck posted:

From a few pages back:


When I started up again, I followed a link to an article that suggested that mots commonly used dice are, in effect, loaded. Supposedly the combination of soft, rounded corners on the dice coupled with a lot of missing weight on the six side (because of the pips) results in something like a 30% chance of rolling a one, rather than the expected 16.6%

Found it again: https://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/That%27s_How_I_Roll_-_A_Scientific_Analysis_of_Dice

The solution was supposedly dice which are either painted or with numerals etched onto them.

Was this debunked or does everyone just ignore it?

It's a ancient and bad experiment, pay it no mind.

Maneck
Sep 11, 2011

MasterSlowPoke posted:

It's a ancient and bad experiment, pay it no mind.

They managed to get an experiment involving rolling 1000 dice wrong? Are their details? Or was it determined that they just made it up?

TKIY
Nov 6, 2012
Grimey Drawer

Maneck posted:

They managed to get an experiment involving rolling 1000 dice wrong? Are their details? Or was it determined that they just made it up?

The dice had tits.

Beer4TheBeerGod
Aug 23, 2004
Exciting Lemon

Milotic posted:

This thread always devours itself when GW don’t release new 40K minis. Also what’s with the hobby progress police?

I don't know but I'm grateful they haven't looked my way.

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

Maneck posted:

They managed to get an experiment involving rolling 1000 dice wrong? Are their details? Or was it determined that they just made it up?

There are two sample sizes in play. One is "dice", the other is "number of tests".

I'm almost certain at least one of those sample sizes is lacking. I'm also absolutely certain that even if they were even halfway rigorous about it that their sample size was not wide, it was just "let's get a thousand of whatever dice we have on hand" which is not representative in the loving slightest.

Maneck
Sep 11, 2011

TKIY posted:

The dice had tits.

If female Nectrons had pips, no one could complain.

SteelMentor
Oct 15, 2012

TOXIC

Beerdeer posted:

That actually is very neat!




One of my Ham bucketlist goals is to find where they're hiding the scale model of the ride they used to show, steal it and pass it off as my Armies of Parade board because that poo poo is haaaaaaard play a round of Hams on it.

Same with one of those scale models of Disneyland.

WorldIndustries
Dec 21, 2004

Beerdeer posted:

OH MY GOD STOP POSTING ABOUT EACH OTHER AND POST MODELS/DISCUSS RULES

this guy has some very cool Blood Ravens that he is doing with primaris bodies and assault marine heads and arms.

edit: Zuul pointed out that the thunder hammer is from the deathwatch kit. It looks like the arms fit perfectly

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bd_MbkVhy9y/?taken-by=blackwingpainting



WorldIndustries fucked around with this message at 21:08 on May 4, 2018

Proletariat Beowulf
Jan 7, 2007
I wish meat screamed as I ate it.
Will anything besides Simple Green dissolve glue but leave plastic unharmed? I have a bucket of Destroyers I need to strip and repaint, and my buddy set their Gauss rods in all fucky-like.

Maneck
Sep 11, 2011

Strobe posted:

There are two sample sizes in play. One is "dice", the other is "number of tests".

I'm almost certain at least one of those sample sizes is lacking. I'm also absolutely certain that even if they were even halfway rigorous about it that their sample size was not wide, it was just "let's get a thousand of whatever dice we have on hand" which is not representative in the loving slightest.

Your expectations about what the authors did are understandable. They are also wrong. Check the article. It was written by someone with at least a passable understanding of statistics.

The test design used a sample of 1,000 dice at 1,000 trials, with the results for each die being individually tracked:

quote:

I then constructed a series of plastic barriers that would be used to keep each die independent of the others. In the lab we have a table that is 4 inches thick solid slate built on hydraulic legs to keep balance and resist independent movement. On this table we put all of the dice in the rolling container and labeled each case, giving each individual die its own chamber and number. My 4 students then shook and rolled the dice 1000 times, recording each individual result. Each die was individually rolled 1000 times, so 4 sets of 36 dice (144 dice) rolled 1000 times equals 144,000 rolls. Each die was tracked on its own and kept separate from the rest.

More ones was universal amongst the dice tested. The best performing dice (i.e. the flattest distribution) came up at 23%. The worst performer was 33%. The aggregate average of all dice was a 29% chance of rolling a one.

And after the testing, they modified the dice to fill in the corners i.e. straight edges. This helped (19% ones).

The only thing I disagree with is conclusion that casino dice should be used. Numeral dice are a thing and presumably would have a flatter distribution.

Unless he made the whole thing up. I wasn't sure if someone tried to repeat his trial.

Two Beans
Nov 27, 2003

dabbin' on em
Pillbug

Proletariat Beowulf posted:

Will anything besides Simple Green dissolve glue but leave plastic unharmed? I have a bucket of Destroyers I need to strip and repaint, and my buddy set their Gauss rods in all fucky-like.

Brake fluid. Wear gloves.

Zuul the Cat
Dec 24, 2006

Grimey Drawer

Booyah- posted:

this guy has some very cool Blood Ravens that he is doing with primaris bodies and assault marine heads and arms.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bd_MbkVhy9y/?taken-by=blackwingpainting





These look fantastic. That Deathwatch Thunder Hammer is one of the best bits ever.

Living Image
Apr 24, 2010

HORSE'S ASS

Zuul the Cat posted:

These look fantastic. That Deathwatch Thunder Hammer is one of the best bits ever.

It's really really good. That dude's done a lovely job painting it too.

MasterSlowPoke
Oct 9, 2005

Our courage will pull us through

Maneck posted:

Your expectations about what the authors did are understandable. They are also wrong. Check the article. It was written by someone with at least a passable understanding of statistics.

The test design used a sample of 1,000 dice at 1,000 trials, with the results for each die being individually tracked:


More ones was universal amongst the dice tested. The best performing dice (i.e. the flattest distribution) came up at 23%. The worst performer was 33%. The aggregate average of all dice was a 29% chance of rolling a one.

And after the testing, they modified the dice to fill in the corners i.e. straight edges. This helped (19% ones).

The only thing I disagree with is conclusion that casino dice should be used. Numeral dice are a thing and presumably would have a flatter distribution.

Unless he made the whole thing up. I wasn't sure if someone tried to repeat his trial.

His samples were garbage; he used 2 cubes of GW dice and 2 bricks of Chessex dice, not 1000 randomly selected dice. His "rolling chamber" is poorly defined and is not necessarily representative of a standard dice roll. His data is not available. The study is bad, over a decade old and it comes up like every three months as if it's some sort of new breakthrough.

OhDearGodNo
Jan 3, 2014

Booyah- posted:

this guy has some very cool Blood Ravens that he is doing with primaris bodies and assault marine heads and arms.

edit: Zuul pointed out that the thunder hammer is from the deathwatch kit. It looks like the arms fit perfectly

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bd_MbkVhy9y/?taken-by=blackwingpainting





gently caress those jump packs look perfect on Primaris- more so than any of the Inceptors.

evilmiera
Dec 14, 2009

Status: Ravenously Rambunctious

Cooked Auto posted:

Current rumor as I remember is that the Ork codex is going to include a bunch of new models, but otherwise I think that happens once they've gone through the last couple of codexes they have left to release.

New models would be neat to see. Don't think Tau will be getting any soon though. Maybe auxiliaries if we are lucky.

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Maneck
Sep 11, 2011

MasterSlowPoke posted:

His samples were garbage; he used 2 cubes of GW dice and 2 bricks of Chessex dice, not 1000 randomly selected dice. His "rolling chamber" is poorly defined and is not necessarily representative of a standard dice roll. His data is not available. The study is bad, over a decade old and it comes up like every three months as if it's some sort of new breakthrough.

Sorry for bringing up something that is over a decade old and "comes up like every three months as if it's some sort of new breakthrough". I haven't played in a decade and wanted to know if it had been debunked. Thanks for your responses.

I get that it would be preferable to draw dice from more sources. I wouldn't describe drawing four different large lots of dice from two manufacturers "garbage". Especially since the dice from both manufacturers had the same problem. The chances that both GW and Chessex experienced a transient issue which caused them to make dice in multiple lots that roll excess ones seem low.

As to not replicating a rolling motion, I could see that if they started all of the dice on the same number or something - although even then, the huge number of trials shows that the dice were rolling over.

If this is the extent of the debunking, thanks for letting me know. I think I'll order some numeral dice.

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