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Baronjutter posted:God I wish I had absolutely any faith that the Chinese government actually gives a poo poo about Marx and all this capitalist dystopia with severe inequality and oppression was just a transitory stage on the road to "building communism" like their apologists always claim. 
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May 6, 2018 03:27
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Xi will ofc, fix this, as evidenced by the fact that his daughter is educated by the great Marxist-Leninist institute of Harvard university https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Mingze
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May 6, 2018 03:28
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Yikes
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May 6, 2018 03:28
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Typo posted:as oppose to ofc, socialism which glowed with health and vitality and was always 10 years away from replacing liberal democracies since 1917, only stopped by the lack of toilet paper in such revolutionary places such as venezeula 
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May 6, 2018 03:29
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Typo posted:nah centrist liberal democracy is great despite Americans on both the far left and (now) the far right who praises foreign dictators of illiberal ideologies as a form of self-flagellation because they are ashamed of being americans lol
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May 6, 2018 04:17
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:Yikes lol why do u let this guy run around in here
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May 6, 2018 04:21
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ur not an anarchist, u dont have 2 avoid gulaging him
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May 6, 2018 04:21
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if someone wants to embarrass themselves like that why stop them really though i was out and app has no mod tools
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May 6, 2018 04:25
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Typo posted:as oppose to ofc, socialism which glowed with health and vitality and has never being in any sort of existential crisis and was always 10 years away from replacing liberal democracies since 1917, only stopped by the lack of toilet paper in such revolutionary places such as venezeula 
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May 6, 2018 04:37
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by all accounts xi mingze has no interest in politics and kept her head down at harvard under a pseudonym. obviously her dad knows the optics would be bad if she were driving fancy cars but she appears to Give a poo poo about people, by and large
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May 6, 2018 04:39
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Typo posted:Xi will ofc, fix this, as evidenced by the fact that his daughter is educated by the great Marxist-Leninist institute of Harvard university 
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May 6, 2018 04:40
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compare that to xi's chief rival before 2012, bo xilai, who instituted a red culture campaign but had a huge idiot dipshit son who was an unbelievable brat also he was waist deep in dirt
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May 6, 2018 04:40
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Typo posted:nah centrist liberal democracy is great despite Americans on both the far left and (now) the far right who praises foreign dictators of illiberal ideologies as a form of self-flagellation because they are ashamed of being americans Liberal democracy guarantees the right to private property, and is therefore always bad. 
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May 6, 2018 04:47
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May 6, 2018 04:54
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Liberal democracy guarantees the right to private property, and is therefore always bad. I like owning stuff
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May 6, 2018 04:56
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R. Guyovich posted:by all accounts xi mingze has no interest in politics and kept her head down at harvard under a pseudonym. obviously her dad knows the optics would be bad if she were driving fancy cars but she appears to Give a poo poo about people, by and large that's true she prob has little direct interest in politics and is only interested in using her dad's political power to maximize wealth for the family stowed away in foreign bank accounts and Vancouver real estate the real benefit of sociaism
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May 6, 2018 04:58
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harvard university? meh that doesn't mean anything. MEH. her real test will be trying to rise up through the communist party's organization department
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May 6, 2018 05:07
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Typo posted:I like owning stuff ive never met a homeowner who didnt complain endlessly about having to pay for contractors and/or how awful their diy projects were going
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May 6, 2018 05:09
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:harvard university? meh that doesn't mean anything. MEH. I have no doubt she can obtain a high level post if she wanted, there's many children of revolutionary elders (incl Xi himself ofc) who are at the top level of the Chinese government and lol if you think they are all there by merit alone
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May 6, 2018 05:14
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Al! posted:ive never met a homeowner who didnt complain endlessly about having to pay for contractors and/or how awful their diy projects were going yeah that's true too lol contractors are rip offs
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May 6, 2018 05:15
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Typo posted:I like owning stuff https://twitter.com/gucci_marxist/status/992073439061200897
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May 6, 2018 05:15
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Typo posted:I have no doubt she can obtain a high level post if she wanted, there's many children of revolutionary elders (incl Xi himself ofc) who are at the top level of the Chinese government and lol if you think they are all there by merit alone
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May 6, 2018 05:17
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:xi is actually the first "princeling" i believe who has made it to the top. there has being plenty of princelings at the top of Chinese politics pre-Xi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princelings#Examples quote:what i'd want to look at is the proportion of wealthy elites at the top compared to the american system.
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May 6, 2018 05:21
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:i've got good news for you aka communist version of "you can keep your doctor"
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May 6, 2018 05:22
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Typo posted:there has being plenty of princelings at the top of Chinese politics pre-Xi how many of these are princelings? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politburo_of_the_Communist_Party_of_China they all have wikipedia entries. one started out as a warehouse laborer. another started in commune labor. another is from an "ordinary urban working-class family." i'd be really curious to see the comparison of millionaires in the 2980-person national people's congress compared to the 435-member house of representatives (271 millionaires).
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May 6, 2018 05:30
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Typo posted:as oppose to ofc, socialism which glowed with health and vitality and has never being in any sort of existential crisis and was always 10 years away from replacing liberal democracies since 1917, only stopped by the lack of toilet paper in such revolutionary places such as venezeula typo typo dude i've been down this road, the only thing at the end is getting blown the gently caress up while the commies laugh at you they'll forgive you afterwards but it is not a good time my man
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May 6, 2018 05:31
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quote:The fortunes of China’s entrepreneurs have changed significantly since the Communist Party, which was founded to work for the interests of workers and stamp out capitalism, welcomed businesspeople into the party more than a decade ago. About 20 percent of the nearly 3,000 delegates to Parliament are businesspeople, according to government news media. quote:Members of Congress hold a lot of the power in America and, a new report shows, plenty of wealth. In fact, more than half of them are millionaires.
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May 6, 2018 05:36
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:i've got good news for you mao's faction of the ccp won a power struggle in the 20s when the kuomintang killed a bunch of urban communists and so he came up with "new democracy" bs in which chinese capitalists were part of the new order, in the "bloc of four classes" basically mao was a 20th century bourgeois revolutionary and like every post-lenin communist leader, arguably more of a left-wing nationalist than an actual communist socialism with chinese characteristics is just the logical extension of mao's whole platform really
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May 6, 2018 05:39
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trying to attack socialism via china, which like five actual people in the world genuinely think is socialist post deng (and all post in this thread weirdly), is a wasted effort my dude
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May 6, 2018 05:40
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they always drop the ball on the follow-up you have to murder/exile all the businessmen and keep them away
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May 6, 2018 05:40
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spray your borders with the scent of empty wallets, it will confuse and disorient them
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May 6, 2018 05:41
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Yossarian-22 posted:socialism with chinese characteristics is just the logical extension of mao's whole platform really lol
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May 6, 2018 05:41
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are leftists really this desperate to have some foreign power to align with
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May 6, 2018 05:41
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:trying to attack socialism via china, which like five actual people in the world genuinely think is socialist post deng (and all post in this thread weirdly), is a wasted effort my dude 
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May 6, 2018 05:42
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Typo posted:nah centrist liberal democracy is great despite Americans on both the far left and (now) the far right who praises foreign dictators of illiberal ideologies as a form of self-flagellation because they are ashamed of being americans Depends on what you mean by "centrist." If Keynesian, I agree. If neoliberal, you gotta check yourself
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May 6, 2018 05:42
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*shouting up to giant stalin* EXCUSE ME COMRADE STALIN, IT'S ME PHIL COULD YOU UH MAYBE TONE DOWN THE EYE BEAMS A BIT, IT'S 1 AM
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May 6, 2018 05:49
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:are leftists really this desperate to have some foreign power to align with joke: the CPC woke: the Nihon Kyosan-to
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May 6, 2018 05:50
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in a world where the wealth per capita is around $50,000, an actual socialist society should not accept the existence of millionaires, much less billionaires.
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May 6, 2018 05:51
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:i see three politburo members on there; some former politburo. the politburo has 25 members.  In the 17th central committee out of 82 members there were 26 princelings...revolutionary elders of the ccp and their children consists of what 0.00000001% of the chinese population? quote:they all have wikipedia entries. one started out as a warehouse laborer. another started in commune labor. another is from an "ordinary urban working-class family." i'd be really curious to see the comparison of millionaires in the 2980-person national people's congress compared to the 435-member house of representatives (271 millionaires).
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May 6, 2018 05:59
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i'm saying that mao played fast and loose with "marxism" and gave it essentially nothing but lip service. i'm no fan of mao or his successors and there was a surprising amount of capitalism in his reign, hence "new democracy," "the bloc of four classes," etc. deng essentially took mao's excuse of adapting socialism to "chinese conditions" (peasant/rural economy) and morphed that into "socialism with chinese characteristics." mao allowed the factory owners to essentially remain untouched, and then deng allowed that to evolve into a massive chinese burgeoisie
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May 6, 2018 05:59
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