(Thread IKs:
fart simpson)
|
Jeb! Repetition posted:Depends on what you mean by "centrist." If Keynesian, I agree. If neoliberal, you gotta check yourself well according to itt keynesianism is prob centrist liberalism if not right-liberalism par excellence so yeah
|
#
?
May 6, 2018 06:00
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 23, 2024 19:10 |
|
|
keynes was a left-liberal but keynesianism is centrist liberal, largely in line with most post-war governments up until around 1975-1980 when right liberalism aka neolooserism became dominant
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2018 06:02
|
|
|
KaptainKrunk posted:keynes was a left-liberal but keynesianism is centrist liberal, largely in line with most post-war governments up until around 1975-1980 when right liberalism aka neolooserism became dominant no he wasn't, keynes never gave poo poo about implementing a welfare state for example, his followers were on board with it after he died he's basically 1930s technocrat who wanted efficient economic policy
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2018 06:04
|
|
|
Sheng-Ji Yang posted:are leftists really this desperate to have some foreign power to align with russia has singlepayer hail comrade putin
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2018 06:04
|
|
|
mao, ho chi minh, et al were national liberationists more than actual revolutionaries. many east asian communists during the mid-20th looked up to george washington and napoleon bonaparte more than karl marx, and hell ho chi minh even tried to get a hearing from woodrow wilson after he came up with his 14 points on national self-determination
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2018 06:05
|
|
|
Yossarian-22 posted:mao, ho chi minh, et al were national liberationists more than actual revolutionaries. many east asian communists during the mid-20th looked up to george washington and napoleon bonaparte more than karl marx, and hell ho chi minh even tried to get a hearing from woodrow wilson after he came up with his 14 points on national self-determination this is true of Ho but not true of Mao
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2018 06:06
|
|
|
https://www.cfr.org/blog/remembering-ho-chi-minhs-1945-declaration-vietnams-independence lf would totally be on board with telling ho chi minh to shut the gently caress up, liberal
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2018 06:07
|
|
|
Typo posted:no he wasn't, keynes never gave poo poo about implementing a welfare state for example, his followers were on board with it after he died lol keynes wanted to destroy finance capital and rentiers, hardly just a 1930s technocrat who wanted efficient economic policy
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2018 06:07
|
|
|
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2018 06:07
|
|
|
Typo posted:
the 17th cpc central committee had 375 members. why should anyone take you seriously if you can't get basic facts right
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2018 06:08
|
|
|
Typo posted:this is true of Ho but not true of Mao dude, two of the four stars on china's flag literally represent the "national burgeoisie" and the "enlightened gentry" mao was a filthy pedo liberal hipster who wanted everyone to worship him
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2018 06:11
|
|
|
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-4/mswv4_32.htm tankies are just confused libs and it's the sweetest irony of all
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2018 06:15
|
|
|
R. Guyovich posted:the 17th cpc central committee had 375 members. why should anyone take you seriously if you can't get basic facts right that is my mistake comrade, I will have to do some self-criticism in the next struggle session
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2018 06:19
|
|
|
Yossarian-22 posted:dude, two of the four stars on china's flag literally represent the "national burgeoisie" and the "enlightened gentry" I'm less interested in china's flag or what he wrote before he took power (because ppl aren't always sincere) than what he did when he was in power
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2018 06:19
|
|
|
KaptainKrunk posted:lol keynes wanted to destroy finance capital and rentiers, hardly just a 1930s technocrat who wanted efficient economic policy destroying rent seeking is literally the best example of efficient economic policy
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2018 06:21
|
|
|
calling radio peking the thread is under attack by idiots who don't know the true numbers of delegates to the cpc central committee repeat we need reinforcements 接收传输 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_u7KftpnQQ BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 06:25 on May 6, 2018 |
|
#
?
May 6, 2018 06:21
|
|
|
Yossarian-22 posted:dude, two of the four stars on china's flag quote:four stars 
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2018 06:21
|
|
|
BrutalistMcDonalds posted:calling radio peking the thread is under attack by idiots who don't know the true numbers of delegates to the cpc central committee repeat we need reinforcements 接收传输 but the point remains though, they are still completely disproportionately represented in fact, which revolutionary elder who held a high party post in the Maoist era -doesn't- have a kid whose either really rich or in high politics or both
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2018 06:24
|
|
|
two of the four small ones
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2018 06:25
|
|
|
BrutalistMcDonalds posted:calling radio peking the thread is under attack by idiots who don't know the true numbers of delegates to the cpc central committee repeat we need reinforcements 接收传输 lol
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2018 06:25
|
|
|
Typo posted:I'm less interested in china's flag or what he wrote before he took power (because ppl aren't always sincere) than what he did when he was in power what he did was liquidate most of the landlords and the *foreign* bourgeoisie. he still left much of the capitalist class intact and suppressed strikes. maoism has very, very little to do with actual marxism
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2018 06:27
|
|
|
Yossarian-22 posted:what he did was liquidate most of the landlords and the *foreign* bourgeoisie. he still left much of the capitalist class intact and suppressed strikes. maoism has very, very little to do with actual marxism But industries were nationalized and suppressing strikes is the hallmark of every socialist regime from Lenin onwards
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2018 06:28
|
|
|
Maoism is what Primary Trump wanted to do to the American economy
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2018 06:35
|
|
|
looks like we've got us a history explainer looks like we're gonna need a homework explainer to get us out of this mess
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2018 06:37
|
|
|
typo why r u melting down
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2018 06:40
|
|
|
Metal Cat has issued a correction as of 02:55 on Oct 24, 2021 |
|
#
?
May 6, 2018 06:41
|
|
|
Typo posted:But industries were nationalized and suppressing strikes is the hallmark of every socialist regime from Lenin onwards https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nationalizations_by_country wow the uk is a communist country!
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2018 06:42
|
|
|
Yossarian-22 posted:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nationalizations_by_country Maoist China had no significant industry (I think limit for private enterprise might have being 6 employees or something in the 1950s) privately owned whereas the Uk has plenty of big privately owned industries
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2018 06:44
|
|
|
1/3rd of chinese industry were privately owned under mao, but typically through "public-private" partnerships iirc
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2018 06:56
|
|
|
Yossarian-22 posted:1/3rd of chinese industry were privately owned under mao, but typically through "public-private" partnerships iirc 1/3 measured by what? number of declared enterprises on paper? employees? output? percentage of GDP? What kind of public-private "partnership" is this? Were there shares split btwn governments and private individuals? Was it the case that the government owned the industry but private individuals had the right to operate it as they see fit? like this is ambigious
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2018 06:58
|
|
|
"Wikileaks posted:22. (C) Xi is a true "elitist" at heart, according to the professor, and believes that rule by a dedicated and committed Communist Party leadership is the key to enduring social stability and national strength, as in the (self-perceived) elite-dominated society of his youth, knit together by family ties, elders and male authority. After years of conversations with Xi, and having shared a common upbringing with him, the professor said, he is convinced that Xi has a genuine sense of "entitlement," believing that members of his generation are the "legitimate heirs" to the revolutionary achievements of their parents and therefore "deserve to rule China." For this reason, the professor maintained, Xi could never be a "true member" of current President Hu Jintao's camp, even if Xi did not give any indication of opposition to Hu Jintao now. Xi and other first-generation princelings derisively refer to people with non-Party, non-elite, commercial backgrounds like Hu Jintao as "shopkeepers' sons," whose parents did not fight and die for the revolution and therefore do not deserve positions of power.
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2018 08:57
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/yehoak/status/992852075007696899
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2018 11:28
|
|
|
Yossarian-22 posted:mao, ho chi minh, et al were national liberationists more than actual revolutionaries. A laughably bad post
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2018 12:06
|
|
|
       
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2018 15:30
|
|
|
Alibaba central planning with markets. I loving knew it. Coming to America soon with Amazon. Also I wanna be a Communist Party youth specialist at Chinese Disneyland.
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2018 15:39
|
|
|
state owned amazon. interesting. that story of the liquor is an old one i think - they immediately lowered the price after that aired, and then xi said they didn't have to lower it
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2018 15:42
|
|
|
i don't think china will ever transition to socialism, but the article i think makes it clear that it will never go free market. state capitalism forever?
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2018 15:42
|
|
|
I think the Alex Jones types sometimes see the world more clearly than their enemies (us) given them credit for, except what they don't like is actually good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj12LaDvwKA
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2018 15:43
|
|
|
rudatron posted:i don't think china will ever transition to socialism, but the article i think makes it clear that it will never go free market. state capitalism forever?
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2018 15:46
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 23, 2024 19:10 |
|
|
Commanding heights nationalisation.
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2018 15:57
|
|
