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yknow someone upthread commented that all the thinkpieces about the Incel Moment have taken at face value that all they want is sex, but i think it's kind of interesting how they've all taken at face value that the sexual revolution has created vastly increased sexual inequality and that it's a serious problem
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A Gnarlacious Bro posted:The life destroying 4chan mindset, if you actually look at the Unicorn Riot dumps there a good amount of anime depressive poo poo too doesnt surprises me sadly. StashAugustine posted:yknow someone upthread commented that all the thinkpieces about the Incel Moment have taken at face value that all they want is sex, but i think it's kind of interesting how they've all taken at face value that the sexual revolution has created vastly increased sexual inequality and that it's a serious problem thinkpieces tend to be lovely and poorly thought out surface level readings of poo poo. i am sadly not surprised they coddle the incels.
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https://twitter.com/Kherman112/status/992920216165171200 kinda surprised the alt-right hasn't gone in on this guy like they did with paul nehlen. or maybe they have and i haven't noticed? i mean he's a goober but they all are. so what gives?
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:https://twitter.com/Kherman112/status/992920216165171200 it's the reparations
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StashAugustine posted:yknow someone upthread commented that all the thinkpieces about the Incel Moment have taken at face value that all they want is sex, but i think it's kind of interesting how they've all taken at face value that the sexual revolution has created vastly increased sexual inequality and that it's a serious problem Ross Douthat is the main culprit here. He is catholic when its convenient to attack people and a reactionary idiot all the time.
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May 6, 2018 01:28
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yeah Little wants to give black people reparations as a one time deal to make them stop talking about racism
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StashAugustine posted:yknow someone upthread commented that all the thinkpieces about the Incel Moment have taken at face value that all they want is sex, but i think it's kind of interesting how they've all taken at face value that the sexual revolution has created vastly increased sexual inequality and that it's a serious problem I think there's some truth to it, without agreeing to the misogynist aspects.
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Mantis42 posted:I think there's some truth to it, without agreeing to the misogynist aspects. Yeah, I can see why there might be more people who simply never find anyone, if only because there's no immense societal pressure demanding everyone marry SOMEONE, even if just for appearances, and women aren't dependent on men for a living beyond domestic or factory work. Where they go wrong is in assuming that it's society that must try to force women to cater to their unfuckable selves, rather than perhaps providing better social services and therapy that might let them see what patterns in their lives have led them to become...that.
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Mantis42 posted:I think there's some truth to it, without agreeing to the misogynist aspects. The version I would find more accurate is that the runaway alienation of modern capitalism has created a world where loving without community is the norm and this has given a lot of people a raw deal. I don’t mean that it was better when people couldn’t have sex outside of marriage, but there has to be an anarchist version of casual sex where you are mutually supportive of all involved parties. What incels need or needed when they were younger is a community that could have allowed them to trust and be vulnerable with others, which is both an important part of sex and a big part of why people enjoy and how people get sex.
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:https://twitter.com/Kherman112/status/992920216165171200 agent smith wants to destroy zion
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Shalebridge Cradle posted:Ross Douthat is the main culprit here. He is catholic when its convenient to attack people and a reactionary idiot all the time. i thought his article was less awful than people made it out to be, he was trying to make a point about how sex is commodified but he's unable to seriously self-reflect on the problems of his worldview and all nyt editorials must be dumb as poo poo. point is that pretty much everyone is kind of accepting the core of their worldview but i kinda think that unfuckable creeps have always existed and i kinda think that regardless of your views on the sexual revolution incels are a problem that's being massively blown out of proportion because they have radical internet communities
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the idea that there’s more incels now after the sex revolution just doesn’t add up. there used to be tons of incels throughout history that nobody cares about because they died in obscurity. polygamy became common among Arabs because so many young men were dying in wars and blood feuds that there was a massive gender imbalance. Mohammad ending the blood feuds, and setting a wife cap at 3 was from a relative viewpoint a massive sexual leveling. the class and age dimensions of sex used to be way more massively imbalanced before modernity. we don’t pity history’s losers because they were illiterate and died. Pener Kropoopkin has issued a correction as of 01:56 on May 6, 2018 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:the idea that there’s more incels now after the sex revolution just doesn’t add up. there used to be tons of incels throughout history that nobody cares about because they died in obscurity. polygamy became common among Arabs because so many young men were dying in wars and blood feuds that there was a massive gender imbalance. Mohammad ending the blood feuds, and setting a wife cap at 3 was from a relative viewpoint a massive sexual leveling. Hell, I don't pity them now. Or at least not the vocal internet weirdos.
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:washington and teddy were both genuinely worse than jefferson not for lack of trying on jefferson's part, mind, guy was genuinely committed to the eternal preservation of the southern model at the expense of the north. it just turned out that his ideas for how to accomplish that goal were -phenomenally- loving stupid
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business hammocks posted:The version I would find more accurate is that the runaway alienation of modern capitalism has created a world where loving without community is the norm and this has given a lot of people a raw deal. I don’t mean that it was better when people couldn’t have sex outside of marriage, but there has to be an anarchist version of casual sex where you are mutually supportive of all involved parties. The atomisation of pretty much any community that doesn't involve either historical ties or mutually spending money on the same product and/or service is probably an underrated factor in the hellworld we're living in.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:the idea that there’s more incels now after the sex revolution just doesn’t add up. there used to be tons of incels throughout history that nobody cares about because they died in obscurity. polygamy became common among Arabs because so many young men were dying in wars and blood feuds that there was a massive gender imbalance. Mohammad ending the blood feuds, and setting a wife cap at 3 was from a relative viewpoint a massive sexual leveling. Exactly. In the 50s, an incel was just your weird cousin Ned who never had luck with girls and he died alone and forgotten because he had no internet to communicate with more of his kind. This idea that it's harder to get sex in the age of online dating is ridiculous.
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Waffle House posted:this dude looks like he's made of plastic. the hair, the suit, the tie, the face he is just a New Traditionalist.
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A Gnarlacious Bro posted:The life destroying 4chan mindset, if you actually look at the Unicorn Riot dumps there a good amount of anime depressive poo poo too It still impresses me that we use terms such as "anime depressive" to accurately describe these people
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Dreddout posted:It still impresses me that we use terms such as "anime depressive" to accurately describe these people the DSM VI is going to be great
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Time to invite all the Atrocious Joe posted:So wasting time on bullshit has led me to find that the wikipedia page for so much Rhodesia stuff is straight up white supremacist propaganda https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Inki&diff=prev&oldid=663474696 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rhodesian_Light_Infantry&diff=prev&oldid=663792768 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=663014463&oldid=630159892 pookel posted:I mean this is a bizarrely nitpicky distinction to make for us sane folks, but people on the right take it super seriously for some reason.
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Darkman Fanpage posted:its like you have some kind of gift for reposting things that have already been posted a hundred times in this very thread before. you really are jeb. That's the only thing I've ever reposted in the thread, and it's good enough to be seen infinitely
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THC posted:We don't deserve the Québécois, honestly nobody needs that poo poo
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GWBBQ posted:I think there's a value in recognizing what BrutalistMcDonalds called "situational ontology" when talking about the RPP switching to an eastern mysticism cult then infiltrating Atomwaffen. People trying to achieve their ends without really caring what banner they march under are dangerous in a distinctly different way than committed ideologues. Well, in a sense they are committed ideologues it's just that they have to conceal the true ideology because it's too sinister to admit in public.
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business hammocks posted:The version I would find more accurate is that the runaway alienation of modern capitalism has created a world where loving without community is the norm and this has given a lot of people a raw deal. I don’t mean that it was better when people couldn’t have sex outside of marriage, but there has to be an anarchist version of casual sex where you are mutually supportive of all involved parties. Well there is the concept of relationship anarchy, which evaluates each relationship individually rather than as a hierarchy. Like the standard view on relationships is something like “monogamous romantic partner” > “family” > “friend” > “acquaintance,” etc with some muddled positions that fall somewhere in between (like work-friend). Relationship anarchy is more like looking at each individual person and being like “that’s someone I just sleep with but don’t really share any intimacy with,” “that’s someone I’m both in a romantic and sexual relationship with and we have a long-term life plan,” “that’s someone I care about tremendously and we mostly hang out to play video games though we’re incredibly intimate yet also completely platonic,” etc. No one is ranked higher or lower based on arbitrary titles but just rather how you want to prioritize your own relationships and time/energy/feelings Like with poly relationships, I think anyone who calls themselves a relationship anarchist should be approached cautiously as there are lots of dipshits out there who go about it in really unhealthy or predatory ways, but the base idea isn’t bad. It’s something I’ve seen work out for a lot of people, but it generally requires a lot of emotional labor and very good communication skills. Being able to both make clear your feelings and ideas of each relationship while navigating the emotional space in a healthy and kind way is challenging, and it’s likely to be the stumbling block of incels who think relationships should be about them getting their dick wet and having to contribute nothing whatsoever I’ve seen all kinds of dynamics in people practicing relationship anarchy, from something approaching the standard monogamous model to people who basically live in a sex commune to people who more or less just sit at home playing video games all day and have a rotation of fuckbuddies drop by every now and then for sex alone. It’s not difficult to achieve just about any type of dynamic you’re looking for if you’re willing to put in the work and can communicate your desires. Nowadays especially when lots of people don’t necessarily have a specific idea of what they want and are perfectly happy just having someone they enjoy spending time with who will also get them off occasionally
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That seems like the kind of thing that works great right up until you have two people who have different ideas of what their relationship is. Then again, you get that in 'regular' relationships too. But it does pretty much point out how modern capitalist culture reduces people and relationships to a series of checklists you're expected to fill out and designated times and places in which to do so, and if you happen to miss out on those socially expected opportunities (say you're busy being depressed, bullied relentlessly, trying to catch up with underdeveloped social skills, being uprooted, the wrong race/gender identity, poor, otherwise not in a stable, well-off socially acceptable family structure) then too bad, you're a failure forever. Like the entire incel worldview is based around their idea of what 'normie' society is like and how they've been rejected from it, and as said, it seems what they really want is a do-over of their teenage years where success is laid out for them. And the idea of trust and being able to be vulnerable in a social setting... well, that's something completely alien to so many people. Hell, I'm not sure I can name an environment like that I've been able to enjoy myself. The idea of 'toxic masculinity' has been abused to uselessness, and it sure as hell isn't restricted to nor enforced entirely by men, but it's the closest term for the relentless pressure to conform to often impossible and vague standards that high school age people find themselves under, and now contrasted with the anonymous online environment where people can safely be anything and anyone but what they really are, it's no wonder you end up with young people latching onto toxic identities and ideologies that seem to be the only way to reconcile their experiences and feelings that's accessible to them. For other marginalised peoples (and oh boy there's a lot of them) there's existing models of alternative communities that have often existed for years, and while they certainly have their own problems, they do act as a space in which LBGT, minority, to some extent disabled and other such people can socialise and form a functional identity for themselves. But when you get people who've known little else but negativity, pressure and hate as a hobby in all environments they can access, of course they're going to spiral inwards into monsters.
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it's the shadow of the soviet union, finally reaching its zenith in the liberal imagination. the liberal has always feared 'the mob', because it's representative of their own fears of political revolution, from the economic displacement of the poor. but this has encultured in liberalism an absolute aversion to anything resembling solidarity, anything that could allow the numerous but dispossessed to fight the centers of power in society. Spreading hedonistic individualism is seen as a safeguard against the threat of 'the mob'. it's why the privately owned malls have replaced public spaces like markets & boulevards - because those boulevards were scenes of revolution, barricades & such. It's why american society fetishes the car, well beyond it's actually ability move people around efficiently (something that it fails to do, as we see with highway congestion) - because the car is symbolic of an isolated, independent existence. and of particular relevant to incels, it's why vibrant and connected urban/town living is replaced with a lifeless suburbia, because urban workers have historically been the most revolutionary. people have suggested that incels always existed, and to some extent that's true. but i think the degree to which they do now is greater, for one simple reason - low socialization, as a consequence of the systematic programs of suppressing worker movements. you can't maintain the pathologies and paranoia of inceldom when you're embedded in an actual society with real people, with stacies and so on. it can only sustain itself when excluded, and that exclusion is, i think, systemic.
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nopantsjack posted:Speaking of anime depressives, don't you hate when women pretend to like naruto because the cool hot guys are all really into it? It's really telling that they're completely unable to comprehend women having agency. It can't be that women enjoy these things for the same reason we do, it must be because of all those Chads! After all, I've completely internalized the idea that women are intrinsically unattracted to gaming so there must be some other reason!
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Kit Walker posted:It's really telling that they're completely unable to comprehend women having agency. It can't be that women enjoy these things for the same reason we do, it must be because of all those Chads! After all, I've completely internalized the idea that women are intrinsically unattracted to gaming so there must be some other reason! Well look all my behavior toward women has been calculated to convince them to have sex with me so they must be the same way, except toward men who don’t hate themselves.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:the idea that there’s more incels now after the sex revolution just doesn’t add up. there used to be tons of incels throughout history that nobody cares about because they died in obscurity. polygamy became common among Arabs because so many young men were dying in wars and blood feuds that there was a massive gender imbalance. Mohammad ending the blood feuds, and setting a wife cap at 3 was from a relative viewpoint a massive sexual leveling. I think your cause-and-effect is reversed, anthropologically: wars were instituted to reduce and control the population of unmarried young men, not the other way around. Harems arise from the combination of class imbalance and patriarchy: the wealthy old men controlling both the economic means of production (cattle/land) and the sexual means of production (their harems producing new unwed women to be traded for other rich men's cattle/land). This conflict between rich and polygamous old men, and poor and unmarried young men is the fundamental axis of internal political conflict in many (perhaps most/nearly all out of those that are highly patriarchal) pre-state societies, sometimes with the young men banding together into bandit groups subsiding on violently raiding their own parental society, in which they have no chance of ever becoming wealthy and settled old men themselves otherwise. The original incel terriorists, in a way. Some anthropologists would trace the birth of the state itself to this conflict, with only restless and unsettled warriors being sufficiently disconnected from village life to provide the necessary coercive violent force. Other monarchies were largely formed by the wealthy wanting someone to protect them against such depredation and keep the youths usefully employed in raiding neighbouring tribes instead.
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on this subject are there any good articles/books that look at the alienation of modern society from a leftist perspective? i'd like a more detailed explanation that just "capitalism did this"
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I've never read it, but people talk about Bowling Alone.
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this insane senate candidate in california is a gold mine:  Weev is disavowing: 
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StashAugustine posted:on this subject are there any good articles/books that look at the alienation of modern society from a leftist perspective? i'd like a more detailed explanation that just "capitalism did this"
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More on fraudulent "free speech" stuff: https://twitter.com/antifa_ne/status/993136180916051970 https://twitter.com/antifa_ne/status/993138134329298946
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:the idea that there’s more incels now after the sex revolution just doesn’t add up. there used to be tons of incels throughout history that nobody cares about because they died in obscurity. polygamy became common among Arabs because so many young men were dying in wars and blood feuds that there was a massive gender imbalance. Mohammad ending the blood feuds, and setting a wife cap at 3 was from a relative viewpoint a massive sexual leveling. I would actually disagree. However I would argue that what has happened has been that the pressures created by neoliberal capitalism have made it so that people find it harder to do activities that would have once helped them find a mate because neoliberalism is so isolating. I would argue that if some of these men tried to attend some sort of group function regularly they may say over a period of years be able to find a person in said group who they could get along with. Also there is that people may be allowing their fantasies to run amok due to the wide availability of fantasy material. This leads to an inability for incels to see beauty that is not skin deep, and an expectation that only beauty that is “skin” deep is what matters in finding companionship. Crowsbeak has issued a correction as of 22:48 on May 6, 2018 |
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