dont be mean to me posted:

gently caress you.

Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:

if you class that as trolling then lol get back to ruling Vault City

Byzantine posted:

Space Cadet Omoly posted:

....why is Thomas the Tank Engine there?

OctaviusBeaver posted:

Caesar's Legion is exactly like <opinion I don't like>

really queer Christmas posted:

big iron

SolidSnakesBandana posted:

This is interesting, I always assumed that he was supposed to be Lenin

Samuel Clemens posted:

Arcanum, summed up in one image:

Fereydun posted:

...really wish i didnt delete all of my fnv files permanently now still gently caress

SlothfulCobra posted:

Honestly totalitarian dictatorships tend to get pretty samey at points regardless of whatever internal ideology they theoretically ascribe to. There aren't wildly different ways to tyrannically control people through fear and force.

I guess you could construe the way the Legion has all of its members as somehow directly serving the Legion without necessarily going through some private intermediary as sort of a communist thing, but that's also just how an army works.

Iretep posted:

If i remember right one of the devs said at some point the assertive part was more meant that hed only listen to courier instead of just some random dude that walks up to him.

Garrand posted:

Rope kid has said as much, yeah. It's a little bit poorly phrased for anybody who hadn't really thought about it so it seems threatening as opposed to reassuring.

Discendo Vox posted:

The Legion's pretty definitely a reference to the Soviet Union, including a number of great ideological details about great man theory, functionality under dictatorship, economics, etc.

Marenghi posted:

You've said this twice now in the thread and it's something I never picked up from them. The Legions treatment of women is diametric to women's role in the historical USSR. The Legions running ideology of Fascist Imperialism neither brings to mind your reference.

SlothfulCobra posted:

I know that's the intent, but it's always more fun to imagine a cheery HAL 9000 than it is to think of Yes Man obeying the like a good little robot, and that he'll be there managing New Vegas to the end of time, even if the courier one day vanishes, maybe dies, and mankind begins to dwindle round the world, like it's a cafe in the middle of nowhere somewhere around Yokohama.

Paracelsus posted:

The one argument in favor of the Legion that I can think of is that they're described as being highly effective at suppressing banditry, which to be fair is kinda really important in the setting, since there seems to be a lot of that going on and it's hard to rebuild civilization if you're constantly being killed and/or having your crops stolen. The biggest mark against the NCR is that they've gotten really ineffective at doing that within territory they're supposed to control, both in the Mojave and in the less well-represented regions back in CA.

Otherwise the Legion is awful and dumb (lol football armor and no guns), but democracy's no good to a corpse.

Paracelsus posted:

The one argument in favor of the Legion that I can think of is that they're described as being highly effective at suppressing banditry, which to be fair is kinda really important in the setting, since there seems to be a lot of that going on and it's hard to rebuild civilization if you're constantly being killed and/or having your crops stolen. The biggest mark against the NCR is that they've gotten really ineffective at doing that within territory they're supposed to control, both in the Mojave and in the less well-represented regions back in CA.

Otherwise the Legion is awful and dumb (lol football armor and no guns), but democracy's no good to a corpse.

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No, I'll destroy it because it's inevitable that it be destroyed. It's Hegelian Dialectics, not personal animosity.

Hegelian Dialectics? What are those?

{enjoying the superiority of teacher}How do I put this basically enough? It's a philosophical theory, the kind you might encounter if you took time to read some books. The fundamental premise is to envision history as a sequence of "dialectical" conflicts. Each dialectic begins with a proposition, a thesis......which inherently contains, or creates, its opposite - an antithesis. Thesis and antithesis. The conflict is inevitable. But the resolution of the conflict yields something new - a synthesis - eliminating the flaws in each, leaving behind common elements and ideas.

So what's "dialectic" about you and the NCR?

The bombs wiped the slate clean. Human civilization descended to a level of ignorance that effectively set our cultural progress back to zero. The NCR has all of the problems of the ancient Roman Republic - extreme bureaucracy, corruption, extensive senatorial infighting. Just as with the ancient Republic, it is natural that a military force should conquer and transform the NCR into a military dictatorship. Thesis and antithesis. The Colorado River is my Rubicon. The NCR council will be eradicated, but the new synthesis will change the Legion as well...from a basically nomadic army to a standing military force that protects its citizens, and the power of its dictator.

Marenghi posted:

I would say they are fascist in the way it's organised around a strong leader and try to forge a national unity among its subjects to maintain a stable society. It does lack the ethno-racial oppression usually associated with fascist nations, but given Caesars educated background from an egalitarian organisation you can imagine why he would not want to bring along those reprehensible ideas.

All indications are that life is stable back in the Legion mainland, traders can move through without being raided, though I don't recall if their was any indication as to how oppressive or not life was outside of the Legion war camps in the Mojave.

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The general tone would have been what you would expect from life under a stable military dictatorship facing no internal resistance: the majority of people enjoy safe and productive lives (more than they had prior to the Legion's arrival) but have no freedoms, rights, or say in what happens in their communities. Water and power flow consistently, food is adequate, travel is safe, and occasionally someone steps afoul of a legionary and gets his or her head cut off. If the Legion tells someone to do something, they only ask once -- even if that means an entire community has to pick up and move fifty miles away. Corruption within the Legion is rare and Caesar deals with it harshly (even by Legion standards).
In short, residents of Legion territories aren't really citizens and they aren't slaves, but they're also not free. People who keep their mouths shut, go about their business, and nod at the rare requests the Legion makes of them -- they can live very well. Many of them don't care at all that they don't have a say in what happens around them (mostly because they felt they never had a say in it before the Legion came, anyway).

jokes posted:

Well it pretty explicitly says that anarchy/chaos reign for a time in the ending slides I think.

Fair Bear Maiden posted:

If there's anything following these discussions online taught me, is that a terrifying amount of people who otherwise seem normal and don't display outwardly problematic leanings, will suddenly proclaim their allegiance for Caesar's Legion. As in, the actual players think that it's the best choice, versus rationalizing the choice for their character.

buglord posted:

If im going optimal savior independent ending route, is there anything I should be aware of with regards to Benny/Mr.House/Caesar?

Since I'd be forced to kill Benny at The Fort anyway, I decided to kill him with the Black Widow perk. (But I didn't sleep with him because my independent courier doesn't need the arms of a man). Am I cheating myself out of any major content/positive ending outcomes if I immediately put a bullet into Mr. House and Caesar when im strong enough? The rest of the game would be spent making everyone else happy, but im not sure if the order im doing this causes any unforeseen consequences.