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The Before Times
Mar 8, 2014

Once upon a time, I would have thrown you halfway to the moon for a crack like that.
Nice! I'm hoping to get the morning off on Wednesday (seeing as I'll be at work til 10pm reacting to the commonwealth budget I think it's a fair trade) to go to the rally with a few gewns

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Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.
also my heart is not bleeding for cafe owners loving their staff out of wages

the whole "but what's in it for me" from cafe owners is so your staff can actually afford to live rather than being effectively indentured workers

e: also the article is written by "anonymous", as if it's not propaganda for some dumb association for idiot capitalists or something

bandaid.friend
Apr 25, 2017

:obama:My first car was a stick:obama:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-07/quad-bike-makers-quit-safety-advisory-panel,-accuse-accc-of-bias/9726938

quote:

Hopes of reaching a consensus on a new quad bike safety regime have been dashed following the resignation of the manufacturer's representatives from a Federal Government advisory committee.
"The deck was stacked, and not in our favour," said Scott Kebschull, a US vehicle expert nominated by quad bike manufacturers to be on the panel.
The body representing manufacturers, the Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries (FCAI), and Mr Kebschull were appointed to a technical reference group to advise government on the best way to introduce a quad bike safety rating system.
They have now both resigned in protest after the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) proposed major changes to improve quad bike safety, including a star-rating system, crush protection devices and mandatory minimum performance standards.
"The ACCC has reached a conclusion in advance, they've made up their minds and are not open to considering other points of view," Mr Kebschull told 7.30.
The FCAI said the ACCC proposal amounted to "experimenting with the public" and could do more harm than good.
The proposed safety star-rating system for quad bikes was largely based on work done by researchers at the University of New South Wales' Transport And Road Safety Unit (TARS).
But the FCAI argues the research is flawed, and accuses the ACCC of "a biased process" because it funds part of the work.
"It seems to be a conflict of interest for a government agency to fund a third party to perform a task, then be the adjudicator of the quality and suitability of that work," the FCAI said in its response to the ACCC's quad bike safety consultation regulation impact statement.
"The FCAI believes that [Assistant Treasurer] Minister Michael Sukkar, whose responsibility it will be to review the regulation impact statement, may be misled."

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.
If hospo owners can't pay the legally defined wage, then the free market wins and they should close

sorry bucko that's capitalism

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Recoome posted:

If hospo owners can't pay the legally defined wage, then the free market wins and they should close

sorry bucko that's capitalism

That's actually red tape and socialist policy stunting the market.

Ora Tzo
Feb 26, 2016

HEEEERES TONYYYY
https://twitter.com/workmanalice/status/993314170698326016

BBJoey
Oct 31, 2012

what’s the over/under on how much a graphics designer charged for that logo

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe

Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
College Slice

Recoome posted:

If hospo owners can't pay the legally defined wage, then the free market wins and they should close

sorry bucko that's capitalism

No see, if the market were just a little bit free-er,

*Ignores last 50 years of evidence from the US that this won't help*

Jezza of OZPOS
Mar 21, 2018

GET LOSE❌🗺️, YOUS CAN'T COMPARE😤 WITH ME 💪POWERS🇦🇺
I can definitely see why cafe owners feel entitled to underpay employees as a former cafe worker who stole poo poo from work to make up for underpaid wages the principle is more or less the same just on a different scale

The Before Times
Mar 8, 2014

Once upon a time, I would have thrown you halfway to the moon for a crack like that.

BBJoey posted:

what’s the over/under on how much a graphics designer charged for that logo

the firm charged $20000 and paid their intern $0 to do it


alternatively, the logo was done up by someone's mate in Word

Dimebag
Jul 12, 2004

BBJoey posted:

what’s the over/under on how much a graphics designer charged for that logo

There is no way that's not like Nick's teenage nephew/niece's who has dream of being a graphic designers work. Any money paid for that is way to much, even being able to put that in a portfolio is too large a payment.

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009


quote:

The researcher who headed the TARS team, Professor Raphael Grzebieta, said criticism of the work is "absolute rubbish".

"We have studied coronial data. We've done the survey of 1,500-odd riders out in the real world that have experienced 1,400 crashes," Professor Grzebieta said.

He accused the FCAI of delaying tactics.

"I'm convinced they're merchants of doubt, that's the whole idea," he said.

There have been three coronial inquests into quad bike fatalities since 2015 in NSW, Queensland and Tasmania.

The coroners expressed frustration at the failure of researchers and manufacturers to reach consensus.

"Although industry participation is essential, it needs to accept there are other views and take a more collaborative approach than the combative approach taken in the past," Queensland deputy coroner John Lock said.

The deputy coroner found in 2015 the TARS research was a "good start", but "more work needs to be done" before a rating system could be implemented.

A former chief engineer of the US Consumer Safety Product Commission, Roy Deppa, told the ACCC that the TARS proposed system had some shortcomings.

"I have serious reservations about the proposal for a star-rating system and for setting performance limits," he told 7.30.

More than 15 people are killed in quad bike accidents every year in Australia and hundreds more are injured, mostly on farms.

Western Queensland Grazier and Agforce President Grant Maudsley is keen to push ahead with the ACCC's proposals.

"We need to make some changes, we need to make people well informed about what they're buying," he said.

Grant Maudsley's son was nearly killed in a quad bike accident in 2009, and he's since helped develop the National Farmers' Federation policy.

"It's not until you've been to hell and back that you understand why you have to be real about this," he said.

But the FCAI and recreational users said authorities should focus more on safety culture, such as helmet use, rather than quad bike design.

Bingo. Cries of bias, sure, but what are they against? Fixing the design that kills people. Crush protection has been fought against for years, using the novel argument that fitting it would make manufacturers more liable.

GoldStandardConure
Jun 11, 2010

I have to kill fast
and mayflies too slow

Pillbug

The Before Times posted:

the firm charged $20000 and paid their intern $0 to do it


alternatively, the logo was done up by someone doing a GIS for a logo and they grabbed it, assuming that if its on the internet it must be free

X13Fen
Oct 18, 2006

"Is that an accurate quote? It should be.
I think about it often enough."

I wonder why Xenophon wants to make his party logo into a target?

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

Where's the ring?

snoremac
Jul 27, 2012

I LOVE SEEING DEAD BABIES ON 𝕏, THE EVERYTHING APP. IT'S WORTH IT FOR THE FOLLOWING TAB.

snoremac
Jul 27, 2012

I LOVE SEEING DEAD BABIES ON 𝕏, THE EVERYTHING APP. IT'S WORTH IT FOR THE FOLLOWING TAB.
Andrew Bolt: Don’t Marxists realize that he stole the whole “help those in poverty” idea from Jesus Christ?

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe

snoremac posted:

Andrew Bolt: Don’t Marxists realize that he stole the whole “help those in poverty” idea from Jesus Christ?

Jesus Christ: inventor of empathy.

EDIT: Speeling

hooman fucked around with this message at 05:59 on May 7, 2018

bandaid.friend
Apr 25, 2017

:obama:My first car was a stick:obama:
Christ's fault for not patenting it

Zenithe
Feb 25, 2013

Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.

snoremac posted:

Andrew Bolt: Don’t Marxists realize that he stole the whole “help those in poverty” idea from Jesus Christ?

I've never seen Jesus and Marx in the same room. Makes u think.

The Before Times
Mar 8, 2014

Once upon a time, I would have thrown you halfway to the moon for a crack like that.

gently caress I just realised what that is

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005


its a fucken circle

The Before Times
Mar 8, 2014

Once upon a time, I would have thrown you halfway to the moon for a crack like that.
actually it's a ring. where's the glowing mordor script

also they apparently don't understand what the word 'abbreviation' means

The Before Times fucked around with this message at 06:13 on May 7, 2018

Jezza of OZPOS
Mar 21, 2018

GET LOSE❌🗺️, YOUS CAN'T COMPARE😤 WITH ME 💪POWERS🇦🇺

The Before Times posted:

actually it's a ring. where's the glowing mordor script

This is confusing because it’s missing the glowing ring

bigis
Jun 21, 2006

This hasn’t gotten enough love. :five:

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
A doctor and senior Mormon who blames ungodly love for HIV, as well as a prominent campaigner against the Safe Schools program, have been elected to positions in the Victorian Liberal Party.

They are among at least five Mormons elected as party officers at last week’s state conference.

:laffo:

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe

Solemn Sloth posted:

A doctor and senior Mormon who blames ungodly love for HIV, as well as a prominent campaigner against the Safe Schools program, have been elected to positions in the Victorian Liberal Party.

They are among at least five Mormons elected as party officers at last week’s state conference.

:laffo:

"How can we find broader spectrum appeal in the community after Australia rejected Tony Abbott's hard right reactionary positions?"

Vic LNP: Let's go totally fukkin insane.

The Before Times
Mar 8, 2014

Once upon a time, I would have thrown you halfway to the moon for a crack like that.
e: ableist slur sorry folks

The Before Times fucked around with this message at 07:24 on May 7, 2018

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

hooman posted:

"How can we find broader spectrum appeal in the community after Australia rejected Tony Abbott's hard right reactionary positions?"

Vic LNP: Let's go totally fukkin insane.

It's because moderates are leaving the stinking corpse and the fundies are making a great effort to take over at the right time. I'm sure there is little satisfaction among traditional Vic liberals about this.

GoldStandardConure
Jun 11, 2010

I have to kill fast
and mayflies too slow

Pillbug
Victoria: The Utah of Australia

Robodog
Oct 22, 2004

...how does that work?
is this some nth dimensional chess play here to tap into the hereto unseen but actually massive religious fundie population in Vic?

BBJoey
Oct 31, 2012

The Before Times posted:

gently caress I just realised what that is

lol if ur not at the stage that any given image looks more or less like goatse

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Loss edits have gotten weird.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Robodog posted:

is this some nth dimensional chess play here to tap into the hereto unseen but actually massive religious fundie population in Vic?

No

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
The fundies are openly campaigning to take over Vic liberal

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe

BBJoey posted:

lol if ur not at the stage that any given image looks more or less like goatse

There are only two images on the internet. Loss and Goatse.

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY
Feb 3, 2006

It's sad that a not-insignificant chunk of voters seem to vote with their party no matter what, so a crazy nut has a decent chance of getting elected if they can just weasel their way into the party.

Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
College Slice

LIVE AMMO ROLEPLAY posted:

It's sad that a not-insignificant chunk of voters seem to vote with their party no matter what, so a crazy nut has a decent chance of getting elected if they can just weasel their way into the party.

You just described most of the liberal back bench, and Corey Bernardi.

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drunkill
Sep 25, 2007

me @ ur posting
Fallen Rib
It is all the fringe suburbs which are all religious and cult like. the churches bought cheap land for campuses out there a decade ago and the housing is being built in those areas now, so new families and older people moving out to the edge of civilization for retirement are the members of those groups and the churches are the only community groups in the area because no sports clubs have been built yet.

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